vegetarians

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(Michelle) said:

hi should vegetarians be taking vitamins because they dont get the stuff that meat contains.

Yes. It is very difficult to get enough Vitamin B-12 from a vegan (pure vegetarian) diet.

Vitamin B12 is found in all animal products (liver, muscle flesh, eggs, and dairy products are
sources, in order from richest to poorest sources).

Tsu Dho Nimh

The typical terminology among vegetarians is:

Vegetarian: Does not eat animal flesh.

Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian: Eggs, milk, honey ok. Lacto Vegetarian: No eggs. Milk ok, honey ok. Vegan:
Does not eat any animal products. No eggs, milk or honey.

Commercial B-12 for vegans is derived from bacterial sources these days. In earlier days it probably
came simply from bacteria on fruits and veg... But in the US most of the bacteria are killed by the
farming methods, and cases of B-12 deficiency did occur among vegans in the US.

Veganism is very modern, historical vegetarianism (e.g. among Buddhists/Hindus) did not stop
milk/honey, so long term cultural data on veganism does not exist.

Agreed, there's overwhelming evidence to say that a vegetarian diet is deficient in it. Good sources
are milk meat cheese eggs etc. Anth

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(Michelle) said:

hi should vegetarians be taking vitamins because they dont get the stuff that meat contains.

Yes. It is very difficult to get enough Vitamin B-12 from a vegan (pure vegetarian) diet.

Vitamin B12 is found in all animal products (liver, muscle flesh, eggs, and dairy products are
sources, in order from richest to poorest sources).

Tsu Dho Nimh

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Good sources of B12 (human faces) Amazing egh - what we expel contains essentials? Anth

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(Michelle) said:

hi should vegetarians be taking vitamins because they dont get the stuff that meat contains.

Yes. It is very difficult to get enough Vitamin B-12 from a vegan (pure vegetarian) diet.

Vitamin B12 is found in all animal products (liver, muscle flesh, eggs, and dairy products are
sources, in order from richest to poorest sources).

Tsu Dho Nimh

The typical terminology among vegetarians is:

Vegetarian: Does not eat animal flesh.

Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian: Eggs, milk, honey ok. Lacto Vegetarian: No eggs. Milk ok, honey ok.
Vegan: Does not eat any animal products. No eggs, milk or honey.

Commercial B-12 for vegans is derived from bacterial sources these days. In earlier days it
probably came simply from bacteria on fruits and veg... But in the US most of the bacteria are
killed by the farming methods, and cases of B-12 deficiency did occur among vegans in the US.

Veganism is very modern, historical vegetarianism (e.g. among Buddhists/Hindus) did not stop
milk/honey, so long term cultural data on veganism does not exist.

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Commercial B-12 for vegans is derived from bacterial sources these days. In earlier days it
probably came simply from bacteria on fruits and veg...

That does not make sense. B-12 from animal liver yes, but bacteria on fruits and veggies?

But in the US most of the

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bacteria are killed by the farming methods, and cases of B-12 deficiency did occur among vegans
in the US.

The bacteria are not repostitories of B-12. The bacteria can produce B-12. This leads us to
the conclusion that no creature can make its own B-12. The B-12 must be made by bacteria and
the creature must eat food containing the B-12 on it ( not in it ). The most obvious souce of
B-12 is then [censored]!! I have a hard time believing that I need a daily ration of feces in order
to get my B-12.

The B-12 question is one that needs to be answered completely. Certainly we can all agree that
Cobalt and bacteria are required. The human stomach produces "intrinsic factor" to bind with B-12
which can then be absorbed in the ileum of the small intestine. The bacteria in the digestive tract,
provided there is Cobalt in the dietary, will produce even more B-12 which will show up in the
feces. One question is why the colon would not reabsorb B-12 if needed since there is an excess in
the stool.

DrC PhD

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Good sources of B12 (human faces) Amazing egh - what we expel contains essentials? Anth

ITYM feces not faces
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(typo feces) Anth

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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:49:09 -0000, "Anth" <[email hidden]>

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Good sources of B12 (human faces) Amazing egh - what we expel contains essentials? Anth

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Commercial B-12 for vegans is derived from bacterial sources these days. In earlier days it
probably came simply from bacteria on fruits and veg...

That does not make sense. B-12 from animal liver yes, but bacteria on fruits and veggies?

I would imagine the fruits and veggies getting spoiled is a result of bacteria on the surface, is
that not correct?

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then be absorbed in the ileum of the small intestine. The bacteria in the digestive tract,
provided there is Cobalt in the dietary, will produce even more B-12 which will show up in the
feces. One question is why the colon would not reabsorb B-12 if needed since there is an excess in
the stool.

That would seem to indicate it could be a newer requirement. Maybe a change in response to meat
eating? Though teeth, claws, intestines never adapted to meat-eating because of knives and cooking,
perhaps minor adaptations occurred, such as a dependency upon B-12? [Similar to, for instance,
caffeine dependency, where body starts using it for other purposes.]