Knee motion indicate setup problem?

John-<< I notice sometimes on slower cadences that when my knee comes to the top of my stroke, it
moves about an inch (maybe less) in towards the top tube before plunging down.

This mean I should improve my setup? >><BR><BR>

Discomfort? Pain?..If not I would not change anything.

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this month's Bicycling magazine has an excellent article on fit up... with pictures/angles/etc...
also on various fit programs that are available ( one maps foot/knee/etc).

charlie

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:30:52 GMT, "John Crankshaw"

may have said:

I've got a pretty good setup on my bike: 30 degree leg angle at bottom of stroke and the front of
my knee is right over (or just behind) the forward pedal axle, and a nice 45-degreeish forward
body angle.

I notice sometimes on slower cadences that when my knee comes to the top of my stroke, it moves
about an inch (maybe less) in towards the top tube before plunging down.

Normal. I believe it has to do with which muscles are used for the down stroke. If you're not having
discomfort or strain problems, ignore the motion.

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I've got a pretty good setup on my bike: 30 degree leg angle at bottom of stroke and the front of
my knee is right over (or just behind) the forward pedal axle, and a nice 45-degreeish forward
body angle.

I notice sometimes on slower cadences that when my knee comes to the top

of

Quoted message said:

my stroke, it moves about an inch (maybe less) in towards the top tube before plunging down.

This mean I should improve my setup? Any links to sites to help me understand if this is a problem
and how to fix?

John

IME, a moving knee means that something's not quite right. Probably saddle a might low, but without
seeing you, I can't tell. I do the "old Italian with the thumb trick" with decent results: usually
~0.5cm error.

If it bothers you, I'd do something about it. If you're OK with it, you should be fine.

Mike

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Quoted message said:

I've got a pretty good setup on my bike: 30 degree leg angle at bottom of stroke and the front of
my knee is right over (or just behind) the forward pedal axle, and a nice 45-degreeish forward
body angle.

I notice sometimes on slower cadences that when my knee comes to the top of my stroke, it moves
about an inch (maybe less) in towards the top tube before plunging down.

This mean I should improve my setup? Any links to sites to help me understand if this is a problem
and how to fix?

This is a shot in the dark, but perhaps you're leg is flexing at the knee under the strain of
beginning the downstroke. You would expect that at a slower cadence if the slower cadence were the
result of a higher gear. If this is the case it might be something to worry about. Seems like the
answer would be strength training and/or lower gears.

JP

John Crankshaw said:

I've got a pretty good setup on my bike: 30 degree leg angle at bottom of stroke and the front of
my knee is right over (or just behind) the forward pedal axle, and a nice 45-degreeish forward
body angle.

I notice sometimes on slower cadences that when my knee comes to the top of my stroke, it moves
about an inch (maybe less) in towards the top tube before plunging down.

This mean I should improve my setup? Any links to sites to help me understand if this is a problem
and how to fix?

I doubt that this is a setup issue, more likely just a bad habit. I used to have a similar "hitch"
in my pedaling motion, which I noticed while riding rollers in front of a mirror.

This sort of thing can lead to knee problems (and, indeed, I used to have knee problems.)

It is also easy to correct, because the muscles involved are all under voluntary control. Just pay
attention to it, and make your knee go straight instead of sideways. If you watch this for a couple
of weeks, it will become automatic, and the problem will go away.

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John Crankshaw said:

I've got a pretty good setup on my bike: 30 degree leg angle at bottom

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

stroke and the front of my knee is right over (or just behind) the

forward

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

pedal axle, and a nice 45-degreeish forward body angle.

I notice sometimes on slower cadences that when my knee comes to the top

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

my stroke, it moves about an inch (maybe less) in towards the top tube before plunging down.

This mean I should improve my setup? Any links to sites to help me understand if this is a
problem and how to fix?

I doubt that this is a setup issue, more likely just a bad habit. I used to have a similar "hitch"
in my pedaling motion, which I noticed while riding rollers in front of a mirror.

This sort of thing can lead to knee problems (and, indeed, I used to have knee problems.)

It is also easy to correct, because the muscles involved are all under voluntary control. Just pay
attention to it, and make your knee go straight instead of sideways. If you watch this for a
couple of weeks, it will become automatic, and the problem will go away.

Sheldon "Knees Don't Hurt Anymore" Brown +----------------------------------------+
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+----------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-
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I've got a pretty good setup on my bike: 30 degree leg
angle at bottom of stroke and the front of my knee is
right over (or just behind) the forward pedal axle, and a
nice 45-degreeish forward body angle.

I notice sometimes on slower cadences that when my knee
comes to the top

of

Quoted message said:

my stroke, it moves about an inch (maybe less) in towards
the top tube before plunging down.

This mean I should improve my setup? Any links to sites to
help me understand if this is a problem and how to fix?

John

Have a look at this site.
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I am a physical therapist that has worked with a number of
cyclists with this problem, we have gotten some good results
incorporating some hip stabilizer strengthening, i.e.
kneeling on a stability ball, lunges with a focus on knee
and hip stability, etc. regards, andy

John Crankshaw said:

I've got a pretty good setup on my bike: 30 degree leg
angle at bottom of stroke and the front of my knee is
right over (or just behind) the forward pedal axle, and a
nice 45-degreeish forward body angle.

A "pretty good setup" means one that's comfortable for the
type of riding you do. If this is comfortable, that's good.
However, it sure sounds to me like your saddle is a bit low
if you've got a 30 degree flexion of the knee at the bottom
of the stroke.

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I notice sometimes on slower cadences that when my knee
comes to the top of my stroke, it moves about an inch
(maybe less) in towards the top tube before plunging down.

Lots and lots of people experience this kind of movement.
I've seen many people with this sort of thing, including
professional racers as well as tourists, recreational
riders, etc. If your knees don't hurt, it's probably not
indicative of a problem. Sometimes this sort of thing is a
benign neuromuscular issue (similar to a "golfer's hitch"😉
and has nothing to do with your bike fit.

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This mean I should improve my setup? Any links to sites to
help me understand if this is a problem and how to fix?

Oh, man, there are lots and lots of Web sites with bike fit
information, and all of them will be different depending on
the target audience and the predilections of the authors.