Fractured collar bone

Bob Smith said:

I originally posted this on rec.sport.rowing but it was suggested that cyclists have a lot more
experience in this area. I hope someone can help.

I fractured my collar bone last August and the last two pieces joined up at the beginning of
January. Two weeks ago they separated again.

The two ends overlap by just over an inch.

There seem to be three options:

1. Do nothing and just live with the non-union
2. Have the bone pinned in its current position
3. Have the bone ends trimmed and fixed end to end with a plate

If possible I would like to contact some people who have experienced one (or more) of these
options.

Currently my favourite is option 2 because I know that while the collar bone was joined I was able
to use the ergometer without discomfort, although obviously with very low effort, and most of my
shoulder mobility had already returned. With option 1 I suspect I would be reluctant to apply full
effort to any shoulder work. Option 3 seems to be more complex and with a greater risk of failure
for mainly cosmetic benefits.

All helpful suggestions welcome.

Thanks.

I assume you had a non-union of the fracture. If it is a new fracture, I think most doctors
would just let it heal. I fractured my left clavicle 10 years ago, at age 42. Certainly my
healing was slower than the young pups, but it did heal. I have the typical step deformity of
this kind of fracture. I believe the doctors are a little concerned about tissue damage to
the surrounding area (including some very major blood vessels) if you have free bone ends.
Either way, your shoulder mobility shouldn't be affected much. Your doctor will be better
prepared to discuss the risks of doing nothing. The other issue is which type of repair is
less likely to have postop problems. Certainly pinning in the current position sounds much
easier than trying to line up and fuse the fractured ends, and it may have a better chance of
achieving a stable union.

Good luck, Steve

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Bob Smith said:

I originally posted this on rec.sport.rowing but it was suggested that cyclists have a lot more
experience in this area. I hope someone can help.

I fractured my collar bone last August and the last two pieces joined up at the beginning of
January. Two weeks ago they separated again.

The two ends overlap by just over an inch.

There seem to be three options:

1. Do nothing and just live with the non-union
2. Have the bone pinned in its current position
3. Have the bone ends trimmed and fixed end to end with a plate

If possible I would like to contact some people who have experienced one (or more) of these
options.

Currently my favourite is option 2 because I know that while the collar bone was joined I was
able to use the ergometer without discomfort, although obviously with very low effort, and most
of my shoulder mobility had already returned. With option 1 I suspect I would be reluctant to
apply full effort to any shoulder work. Option 3 seems to be more complex and with a greater risk
of failure for mainly cosmetic benefits.

All helpful suggestions welcome.

Thanks.

I assume you had a non-union of the fracture. If it is a new fracture, I think most doctors
would just let it heal. I fractured my left clavicle 10 years ago, at age 42. Certainly my
healing was slower than the young pups, but it did heal. I have the typical step deformity of
this kind of fracture. I believe the doctors are a little concerned about tissue damage to the
surrounding area (including some very major blood vessels) if you have free bone ends. Either
way, your shoulder mobility shouldn't be affected much.

I disagree with this. My shoulder mobility was affected very much, so much in fact that I was unable
to raise my arm above shoulder level.

Diagnosis: Frozen shoulder or adhesive capsulitis.

Very bad stuff, took me six months of physical therapy to get well.

Dashi

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Your doctor will be better prepared to discuss the risks of doing nothing. The other issue is
which type of repair is less likely to have postop problems. Certainly pinning in the current
position sounds much easier than trying to line up and fuse the fractured ends, and it may have
a better chance of achieving a stable union.

Good luck, Steve

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Steve and Dashi

Thanks for your comments.

It was the same fracture that separated rather than a fresh fracture. The problem with doctors is
they all have different opinions - that's where the three options came from, so I think I have to
decide what I want and then find someone to do it. This is why I am trying to discover how other
people have been affected.

I'm also a bit concerned about healing being slower with age if it's left to heal itself as I will
be 57 in May and want to be competing again this year rather than next year.

Thanks again.

Bob

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Steve and Dashi

Thanks for your comments.

It was the same fracture that separated rather than a fresh fracture. The problem with doctors is
they all have different opinions - that's where the three options came from, so I think I have to
decide what I want and then find someone to do it. This is why I am trying to discover how other
people have been affected.

I'm also a bit concerned about healing being slower with age if it's left to heal itself as I will
be 57 in May and want to be competing again this year rather than next year. Bob

Happened to me when I was 58, no problem with the collar bone healing, but the Adhesive Capsulitis
was a terrible experience, never want that to happen again.

Dashi

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Bob Smith said:

I originally posted this on rec.sport.rowing but it was suggested that cyclists have a lot more
experience in this area. I hope someone can help.

I fractured my collar bone last August and the last two pieces joined up at the beginning of
January. Two weeks ago they separated again.

The two ends overlap by just over an inch.

There seem to be three options:

1. Do nothing and just live with the non-union
2. Have the bone pinned in its current position
3. Have the bone ends trimmed and fixed end to end with a plate

If possible I would like to contact some people who have experienced one (or more) of these
options.

Currently my favourite is option 2 because I know that while the collar bone was joined I was
able to use the ergometer without discomfort, although obviously with very low effort, and most
of my shoulder mobility had already returned. With option 1 I suspect I would be reluctant to
apply full effort to any shoulder work. Option 3 seems to be more complex and with a greater risk
of failure for mainly cosmetic benefits.

All helpful suggestions welcome.

Thanks.

I assume you had a non-union of the fracture. If it is a new fracture, I think most doctors
would just let it heal. I fractured my left clavicle 10 years ago, at age 42. Certainly my
healing was slower than the young pups, but it did heal. I have the typical step deformity of
this kind of fracture. I believe the doctors are a little concerned about tissue damage to the
surrounding area (including some very major blood vessels) if you have free bone ends. Either
way, your shoulder mobility shouldn't be affected much.

I disagree with this. My shoulder mobility was affected very much, so much in fact that I was
unable to raise my arm above shoulder level.

Diagnosis: Frozen shoulder or adhesive capsulitis.

Very bad stuff, took me six months of physical therapy to get well.

Dashi

Sorry to hear this. I assume your fracture was fairly distal and involved the AC joint? Did
you have surgery? In any case you did pretty much regain your shoulder mobility? My
fracture, BTW was about 2/3 of the way from my sternum to my AC joint.

Steve

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Your doctor will be better prepared to discuss the risks of doing nothing. The other issue is
which type of repair is less likely to have postop problems. Certainly pinning in the current
position sounds much easier than trying to line up and fuse the fractured ends, and it may have
a better chance of achieving a stable union.

Good luck, Steve

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Bob Smith wrote:

>I originally posted this on rec.sport.rowing but it was suggested that cyclists have a lot more
>experience in this area. I hope someone can help.
>
>I fractured my collar bone last August and the last two pieces joined up at the beginning of
>January. Two weeks ago they separated again.
>
>The two ends overlap by just over an inch.
>
>There seem to be three options:
>
>1. Do nothing and just live with the non-union
>2. Have the bone pinned in its current position
>3. Have the bone ends trimmed and fixed end to end with a plate
>
>If possible I would like to contact some people who have experienced one (or more) of these
>options.
>
>Currently my favourite is option 2 because I know that while the collar bone was joined I was
>able to use the ergometer without discomfort, although obviously with very low effort, and most
>of my shoulder mobility had already returned. With option 1 I suspect I would be reluctant to
>apply full effort to any shoulder work. Option 3 seems to be more complex and with a greater
>risk of failure for mainly cosmetic benefits.
>
>All helpful suggestions welcome.
>
>Thanks.

I assume you had a non-union of the fracture. If it is a new fracture, I think most doctors
would just let it heal. I fractured my left clavicle 10 years ago, at age 42. Certainly my
healing was slower than the young pups, but it did heal. I have the typical step deformity of
this kind of fracture. I believe the doctors are a little concerned about tissue damage to the
surrounding area (including some very major blood vessels) if you have free bone ends. Either
way, your shoulder mobility shouldn't be affected much.

I disagree with this. My shoulder mobility was affected very much, so much in fact that I was
unable to raise my arm above shoulder level.

Diagnosis: Frozen shoulder or adhesive capsulitis.

Very bad stuff, took me six months of physical therapy to get well.

Dashi

Sorry to hear this. I assume your fracture was fairly distal and involved the AC joint? Did you
have surgery? In any case you did pretty much regain your shoulder mobility? My fracture, BTW was
about 2/3 of the way from my sternum to my AC joint.

Steve

Thanks for the note of sympathy but I am almost 100% now, 2 years after the accident.

When I fell I landed on my right scapula which caused my collar bone to shatter. I didn't go over
the handlebars but off of the side of the mountain bike.

I visited a surgeon once a month while in physical therapy (Air Force hospital) so that he could
guage my progress. He decided against surgery.

I believe that the collar bone fracture was secondary to the shoulder injury.

I do believe in preventive medicine now, I don't do anything stupid on a bike anymore. :->

Hope that you are fully recovered also.

Dashi

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>Bob Smith wrote:
>
>
>
>>I originally posted this on rec.sport.rowing but it was suggested that cyclists have a lot more
>>experience in this area. I hope someone can help.
>>
>>I fractured my collar bone last August and the last two pieces joined up at the beginning of
>>January. Two weeks ago they separated again.
>>
>>The two ends overlap by just over an inch.
>>
>>There seem to be three options:
>>
>>1. Do nothing and just live with the non-union
>>2. Have the bone pinned in its current position
>>3. Have the bone ends trimmed and fixed end to end with a plate
>>
>>If possible I would like to contact some people who have experienced one (or more) of these
>>options.
>>
>>Currently my favourite is option 2 because I know that while the collar bone was joined I was
>>able to use the ergometer without discomfort, although obviously with very low effort, and most
>>of my shoulder mobility had already returned. With option 1 I suspect I would be reluctant to
>>apply full effort to any shoulder work. Option 3 seems to be more complex and with a greater
>>risk of failure for mainly cosmetic benefits.
>>
>>All helpful suggestions welcome.
>>
>>Thanks.
>
> I assume you had a non-union of the fracture. If it is a new fracture, I think most doctors
> would just let it heal. I fractured my left clavicle 10 years ago, at age 42. Certainly my
> healing was slower than the young pups, but it did heal. I have the typical step deformity of
> this kind of fracture. I believe the doctors are a little concerned about tissue damage to the
> surrounding area (including some very major blood vessels) if you have free bone ends. Either
> way, your shoulder mobility shouldn't be affected much.

I disagree with this. My shoulder mobility was affected very much, so much in fact that I was
unable to raise my arm above shoulder level.

Diagnosis: Frozen shoulder or adhesive capsulitis.

Very bad stuff, took me six months of physical therapy to get well.

Dashi

Sorry to hear this. I assume your fracture was fairly distal and involved the AC joint? Did you
have surgery? In any case you did pretty much regain your shoulder mobility? My fracture, BTW was
about 2/3 of the way from my sternum to my AC joint.

Steve

Thanks for the note of sympathy but I am almost 100% now, 2 years after the accident.

When I fell I landed on my right scapula which caused my collar bone to shatter. I didn't go over
the handlebars but off of the side of the mountain bike.

I visited a surgeon once a month while in physical therapy (Air Force hospital) so that he could
guage my progress. He decided against surgery.

I believe that the collar bone fracture was secondary to the shoulder injury.

I do believe in preventive medicine now, I don't do anything stupid on a bike anymore. :->

Hope that you are fully recovered also.

Dashi

Pretty much. My orthopedist said I'd never model swimsuits anymore, and damned if she
wasn't right!

Steve

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>>Bob Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I originally posted this on rec.sport.rowing but it was suggested that cyclists have a lot
>>>more experience in this area. I hope someone can help.
>>>
>>>I fractured my collar bone last August and the last two pieces joined up at the beginning of
>>>January. Two weeks ago they separated again.
>>>
>>>The two ends overlap by just over an inch.
>>>
>>>There seem to be three options:
>>>
>>>1. Do nothing and just live with the non-union
>>>2. Have the bone pinned in its current position
>>>3. Have the bone ends trimmed and fixed end to end with a plate
>>>
>>>If possible I would like to contact some people who have experienced one (or more) of these
>>>options.
>>>
>>>Currently my favourite is option 2 because I know that while the collar bone was joined I was
>>>able to use the ergometer without discomfort, although obviously with very low effort, and
>>>most of my shoulder mobility had already returned. With option 1 I suspect I would be
>>>reluctant to apply full effort to any shoulder work. Option 3 seems to be more complex and
>>>with a greater risk of failure for mainly cosmetic benefits.
>>>
>>>All helpful suggestions welcome.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>
>> I assume you had a non-union of the fracture. If it is a new fracture, I think most doctors
>> would just let it heal. I fractured my left clavicle 10 years ago, at age 42. Certainly my
>> healing was slower than the young pups, but it did heal. I have the typical step deformity
>> of this kind of fracture. I believe the doctors are a little concerned about tissue damage
>> to the surrounding area (including some very major blood vessels) if you have free bone
>> ends. Either way, your shoulder mobility shouldn't be affected much.
>
>
>I disagree with this. My shoulder mobility was affected very much, so much in fact that I was
>unable to raise my arm above shoulder level.
>
>Diagnosis: Frozen shoulder or adhesive capsulitis.
>
>Very bad stuff, took me six months of physical therapy to get well.
>
>Dashi

Sorry to hear this. I assume your fracture was fairly distal and involved the AC joint? Did you
have surgery? In any case you did pretty much regain your shoulder mobility? My fracture, BTW
was about 2/3 of the way from my sternum to my AC joint.

Steve

Thanks for the note of sympathy but I am almost 100% now, 2 years after the accident.

When I fell I landed on my right scapula which caused my collar bone to shatter. I didn't go
over the handlebars but off of the side of the mountain bike.

I visited a surgeon once a month while in physical therapy (Air Force hospital) so that he could
guage my progress. He decided against surgery.

I believe that the collar bone fracture was secondary to the shoulder injury.

I do believe in preventive medicine now, I don't do anything stupid on a bike anymore. :->

Hope that you are fully recovered also.

Dashi

Pretty much. My orthopedist said I'd never model swimsuits anymore, and damned if she wasn't
right!

Steve

I broke mine in a quad bike race when I hit a rut and rolled. Some ribs broke too but they healed
quite quickly, the collar bone was complicated by having several pieces at the distal end. I'm not
into modelling either fortunately.

Anyway, I have decided that I will definitely have surgery, it's just a choice now of which way to
do it. And I've set myself the target of beating my PB at the British Indoor Rowing Championship in
November. I probably won't race quad bikes again - they won't harm me but my wife would kill me :-)

Bob

Bob Smith said:

I broke mine in a quad bike race when I hit a rut and rolled. Some ribs broke too but they healed
quite quickly, the collar bone was complicated by having several pieces at the distal end. I'm not
into modelling either fortunately.

Anyway, I have decided that I will definitely have surgery, it's just a choice now of which way
to do it. And I've set myself the target of beating my PB at the British Indoor Rowing
Championship in November. I probably won't race quad bikes again - they won't harm me but my wife
would kill me :-)

Bob

Hope that's a realistic goal--sounds like a lot of shoulder in that! My wife also said she'd
kill me if I crash again!

Steve

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Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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