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  1. Five months ago I had a stent put in my heart and the Doctor prescribed rehab. They walked me for
    six weeks ( 270 lbs ). When that was over I began a morning workout a the local 'Y' on the tread
    mill. I am now down to 205 lbs from this 'walk / run' every morning.

    Walking at 3.5 mph ( 20 minutes ) soon got 'old' and I am now 'jogging' at about 4.2 mph for one
    mile every morning. Sometimes in is invigorating. Sometimes I have chest pains the rest of the day.

    I am trying 'jogging' on the hard track now for a mile. It is easy and then hard. I do warm up
    exercises, and am 'shooting' for my first 5K local race this summer to keep me motivated because I
    have really become addicted to 'running'.

    My question is what's the difference between 'jogging', fast walking, and "RUNNING"? Do you think I
    am going to fast for just having a stent put in?

    Thank for a great forum. Steve

  2. In rec.running

    Steve Ballard said:

    Five months ago I had a stent put in my heart and the Doctor prescribed rehab.

    Just curious if you know what brand and model?

    Quoted message said:

    Walking at 3.5 mph ( 20 minutes ) soon got 'old' and I am now 'jogging' at about 4.2 mph for one
    mile every morning. Sometimes in is invigorating. Sometimes I have chest pains the rest of the day.

    Steve, this is not normal. I am not a doctor but I work for one of the worlds largest manufacturer
    of stents and it is very likely, given the time period of 5 months, that you have experienced
    restenosis. This means that scar tissue has aggressively formed around the stent and may be creating
    a new blockage.

    Was it a drug coated stent or did you receive brachytherapy in addition to your stent? If so, it
    would be less likely but the real message is; SEE YOUR CARDIOLOGIST and tell him this.

    Quoted message said:

    My question is what's the difference between 'jogging', fast walking, and "RUNNING"?

    Not important until you get the angina resolved.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you think I am going to fast for just having a stent put in?

    No, not if you weren't suffering angina. Once the stent is in, you are essentially cured and can go
    balls out. There is no need to tread lightly. But this is not the case with angina.

    SEE YOUR CARDIO!

  3. steve you will hate this but there is no difference between them when i train with a HR of 160-180 i
    may walk fast , jog , run,jog slow , run slower if you think about it , some could be the worlds
    slowest runner and have a WR plodzilla

    Steve Ballard said:


    Five months ago I had a stent put in my heart and the Doctor prescribed rehab. They walked me for
    six weeks ( 270 lbs ). When that was over I began a morning workout a the local 'Y' on the tread
    mill. I am now down to 205 lbs from this 'walk / run' every morning.

    Walking at 3.5 mph ( 20 minutes ) soon got 'old' and I am now 'jogging' at about 4.2 mph for
    one mile every morning. Sometimes in is invigorating. Sometimes I have chest pains the rest of
    the day.

    I am trying 'jogging' on the hard track now for a mile. It is easy and then hard. I do warm up
    exercises, and am 'shooting' for my first 5K local race this summer to keep me motivated because I
    have really become addicted to 'running'.

    My question is what's the difference between 'jogging', fast walking, and "RUNNING"? Do you think
    I am going to fast for just having a stent put in?

    Thank for a great forum. Steve

  4. Steve Ballard wrote:

    First, congratulations on your weight loss.

    Quoted message said:


    My question is what's the difference between 'jogging', fast walking, and "RUNNING"?

    How they are spelled 😉

    Seriously, walking has two feet on the ground simultaneously at least part of the time.
    Running/jogging has at most one foot on ground at one time and alternate feet (differentiate from
    skipping, jumping).

    Quoted message said:

    Do you think I am going to fast for just having a stent put in?

    I'm clueless, but Bruce sounds like there's some issues that you should attend to. Good luck and
    hope you get things straightened out.

    Something you might want to consider later is adding some variety to what you're doing. Instead of
    running for 15-20 min every day, perhaps try fast walking for a little longer on alternate days
    (maybe 30 min to start, IF you can, then gradually add) to build up musculoskeletal system and run
    the others. Some days might be better on track, some on treadmill.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  5. "Steve Ballard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    My question is what's the difference between 'jogging', fast walking, and "RUNNING"?

    Running involves moving quickly enough so that both feet leave the ground during each stride.

    Jogging is the same thing, but at a more relaxed pace - this pace is is not fixed, it's relative to
    the abilities if the person.

    Fast walking is moving quickly without both feet leaving the ground at the same time.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you think I am going to fast for just having a stent put in?

    I don't know - however, there's a possiblity that the pain you experience after the run on occasion
    is nothing but muscle pulls. I used to get chest-type pain and found out this was the cause.

    Obviously you need professional advice on this issue due to your history, but I thought I'd throw
    that option out there.

    cheers,
    --
    David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org

  6. Hey Steve,

    Congratuations on making such positive changes in your life and for the amazing success you've
    had so far.

    As for jogging vs. running... as others have said, if there is a difference, it doesn't matter. It's
    completely irrelivant. One thing to keep in mind is that you will get the same health benfits from
    very slow running (or even walking) as you do from fast running. Speed doesn't matter.

    As for your other questions... chest pain is something I would be concerned about. Take it slow and
    easy... and see your doctor. If you are truly addicted, then you have your whole life ahead of you
    to run and do whatever other activies you will no doubt take up. So... there's no rush. If you don't
    make this 5K... there will be others. Work with commitment and discipline and dedication... but be
    kind to yourself. "Failure" is ALWAYS an option 🙂 ("failure" being not making the 5K). Running can
    be a very high risk activity in terms of the impact on your joints... and you don't want to get
    injured. It's very rare for someone to get injured from running too slow... it's very common to get
    injured from running too fast. This risk may be somewhat higher for you because of your current
    weight (unless you're 6 foot-ish 🙂.

    One last thing... if your goal right now is weight loss, the best way to do that is to run long and
    slow! So again... speed doesn't matter. Take a 1 minute walking break every 5 minutes or 10 minutes
    or whatever you feel is right for you. That will help you increase your distance. But you have to
    go SLOW!!!!!

    Above all else, do keep in touch with your doctor and let him know what you are doing.

    Remember... slow and steady wins the race. I hope you do make the 5K... that would be awesome... and
    a real milestone accomplishment for you. But the big picture is a lifetime of activity and good
    health. That's the ultimate goal.

    p.s. you might want to look into heart rate training to judge your effort instead of using speed.

    --
    Nova Scotia, Canada

  7. Thank you everyone for your replies. They confirm what I suspected.
    This is a great forum and I, never having run in all of my 50 years and
    just discovering the addiction it can hold, did not want to sound uninformed
    if/when I should post anything here. ;>. As for the weight loss thing, well
    that
    is one of the reasons/motivations that keep me running. Hardly any serious
    runner I see has any body fat! 🙂

    I have found alot of fine websites relating to running, but this forum affords one a way to hear
    'first hand' the trials of pacing oneself for the long haul. I am at the bottom of the totem pole at
    a mere 1/2 MPH(+-) mile for how ever long it may take. We have a seven mile marathon up and down 500
    foot hills once a year here, as well as many 5k and 1k fun/run/walks. The big one is the "BIX 7" (
    seven miles ). A run along the Mississippi River in Davenport
    IA. It has grown to over 2000 entrants with thousands of dollars and a car for 1st place. Record
    time is like 28 minutes ( usually won by African tribes men seriously ).

    I hope to find the stamina to meet the challenge of one of these smaller races. Anything to keep
    motivated, hm? 🙂 ! Reading your posts help in that motivation department as well. Thanks!

    "Steve Ballard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:4HAZb.232696$U%5.1483108@attbi_s03...

    Quoted message said:

    Five months ago I had a stent put in my heart and the Doctor prescribed rehab. They walked me for
    six weeks ( 270 lbs ). When that was over I began a morning workout a the local 'Y' on the tread
    mill. I am now down to 205


    lbs

    Quoted message said:

    from this 'walk / run' every morning.

    Walking at 3.5 mph ( 20 minutes ) soon got 'old' and I am now 'jogging' at about 4.2 mph for
    one mile every morning. Sometimes in is invigorating. Sometimes I have chest pains the rest of
    the day.

    I am trying 'jogging' on the hard track now for a mile. It is easy and


    then

    Quoted message said:

    hard. I do warm up exercises, and am 'shooting' for my first 5K local race this summer to keep me
    motivated because I have really become addicted to 'running'.

    My question is what's the difference between 'jogging', fast walking, and "RUNNING"? Do you think
    I am going to fast for just having a stent put in?

    Thank for a great forum. Steve

  8. It doesn't matter where you begin. The main thing is where you end. My guess is either the ER, or
    the crematorium.

  9. In rec.running

    Steve Ballard said:

    Five months ago I had a stent put in my heart and the Doctor prescribed rehab. They walked me for
    six weeks ( 270 lbs ). When that was over I began a morning workout a the local 'Y' on the tread
    mill. I am now down to 205 lbs from this 'walk / run' every morning.

    Steve,

    I didn't discern from your post if you were going to notify your doctor of the occasional angina?
    FYI, If you have suffered restenosis, no amount of exercise or diet will cure it.

  10. [email hidden] (Bruce) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    In rec.running 'Steve Ballard said:

    Five months ago I had a stent put in my heart and the Doctor prescribed rehab. They walked me for
    six weeks ( 270 lbs ). When that was over I began a morning workout a the local 'Y' on the tread
    mill. I am now down to 205 lbs from this 'walk / run' every morning.

    Steve,

    I didn't discern from your post if you were going to notify your doctor of the occasional angina?
    FYI, If you have suffered restenosis, no amount of exercise or diet will cure it.

    Steve,

    You're doing great with your weight loss, and doing varied workouts will be more interesting to you.
    Keep it up, AFTER YOU'VE TALKED TO YOUR CARDIOLOGIST!!!!!!!!! I would suggest however that after
    you've gotten your medical clearance (I hope) that you lengthen your workout time to at least 30
    minutes by mixing up walking with slow running, then, as you get stronger (and slimmer) slowly walk
    less and run more, until you run a full 30 minutes. A mile run is a pretty short workout. But that's
    AFTER YOU'VE TALKED TO YOUR CARDIOLOGIST!!!!

    And you're a runner, not a jogger, when you think you are, not when someone else says.

    Margaret

  11. LOL. Thank you Margaret. I will always say "run" instead of "jog" from now on!

    And an FYI, I am scheduled to see my cardiologist in a couple of weeks ( my first scheduled visit
    since he 'released' me six months ago ). I really feel great and I believe the few chest pains (
    tightness ) was really just muscle aches. I do 35 - 40 minutes walking RUNNING 🙂 , and then another
    30 minutes weight training ( bench presses and curls etc etc ) always quiting when there is the
    least bit of pain ( hey, whose a whimp!? ).

    I can't tell you how much I appreciate all of this feedback from so many of you.

    Thank you.

    "mwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Bruce) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    In rec.running 'Steve Ballard said:

    Five months ago I had a stent put in my heart and the Doctor prescribed rehab. They walked me
    for six weeks ( 270 lbs ). When that was over I began a morning workout a the local 'Y' on the
    tread mill. I am now down to 205


    lbs

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    from this 'walk / run' every morning.

    Steve,

    I didn't discern from your post if you were going to notify your doctor


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the occasional angina? FYI, If you have suffered restenosis, no amount


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    exercise or diet will cure it.

    Steve,

    You're doing great with your weight loss, and doing varied workouts will be more interesting to
    you. Keep it up, AFTER YOU'VE TALKED TO YOUR CARDIOLOGIST!!!!!!!!! I would suggest however that
    after you've gotten your medical clearance (I hope) that you lengthen your workout time to at
    least 30 minutes by mixing up walking with slow running, then, as you get stronger (and slimmer)
    slowly walk less and run more, until you run a full 30 minutes. A mile run is a pretty short
    workout. But that's AFTER YOU'VE TALKED TO YOUR CARDIOLOGIST!!!!

    And you're a runner, not a jogger, when you think you are, not when someone else says.

    Margaret

  12. "mwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    And you're a runner, not a jogger, when you think you are, not when someone else says.

    What's wrong with being a jogger? I'm a jogger. Sometimes I run, but most of my outings are jogs, as
    most people's are.

    cheers,
    --
    David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org

  13. Thanks for jogging our memory eh? I look down sometimes and end up seeing I'm neither running OR
    jogging, I'm just jiggling.

    "SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "mwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    And you're a runner, not a jogger, when you think you are, not when someone else says.

    What's wrong with being a jogger? I'm a jogger. Sometimes I run, but most of my outings are jogs,
    as most people's are.

    cheers,
    --
    David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org

  14. "Steve Ballard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for jogging our memory eh? I look down sometimes and end up seeing I'm neither running OR
    jogging, I'm just jiggling.

    hahaha 🙂

    cheers,
    --
    David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org

  15. Steve Ballard said:

    Five months ago I had a stent put in my heart and the Doctor prescribed rehab. They walked me for
    six weeks ( 270 lbs ). When that was over I began a morning workout a the local 'Y' on the tread
    mill. I am now down to 205 lbs from this 'walk / run' every morning.

    Walking at 3.5 mph ( 20 minutes ) soon got 'old' and I am now 'jogging' at about 4.2 mph for
    one mile every morning. Sometimes in is invigorating. Sometimes I have chest pains the rest of
    the day.

    I am trying 'jogging' on the hard track now for a mile. It is easy and then hard. I do warm up
    exercises, and am 'shooting' for my first 5K local race this summer to keep me motivated because I
    have really become addicted to 'running'.

    My question is what's the difference between 'jogging', fast walking, and "RUNNING"? Do you think
    I am going to fast for just having a stent put in?

    Thank for a great forum. Steve

    The difference between jogging and running is a matter of attitude. Walking is a different pace- one
    foot is always on the ground, while running you have both off every step. Don't worry about what to
    call it- just keep doing it! Keep up the good work!

    I'd consult your doctor about how fast is too fast.

    --
    Bob Burns Mill Hall PA [email hidden]

  16. Running is something you do when you're being chased. What you all do is called jogging. And don't
    take it personally when I use the term "jogger". I don't mean it as an insult.....it's just that the
    other words I was using were so filthy.

  17. I got into it after years of abusing my body as a teen hippie who didn't grow up until his late
    20's. Three packs a day, booze, pot, hash, coke,acid, any bad food I wanted, overweight, I did it
    all, daily. Then at 25 I walked up a flight of stairs, and realized I was in such bad shape that I
    couldn't even make it without chest pains, wheezing, and taking a rest halfway up. I knew I'd be
    dead in a year or two if I continued on this path. So I quit. A year or two later my heart and lungs
    had improved very little, so I decided to start walking/running, quite a feat for a guy who was
    never athletically inclined. But I guess walking a mile each way to school everyday (yes, it was
    uphill both ways) for all those years helped, and within a year I was slow jogging about a mile. At
    that point I was feeling so good I thought to myself "maybe someday I could do a WHOLE 5 miles a
    day!". Dare I dream? A few years later I was doing it. Then my new goal was to run a 10k, and I did
    after several small tuneup races (came in 8th in my first ever race, a 5k)and at that point I simply
    wanted to keep increasing my distances to see what would happen. Dare I dream of a marathon? Naw,
    that's crazy stuff for a guy in my poor condition. Then I read that base mileage for a marathon was
    about 70mpw, and realized I was close to that, and according to this I could do it. So began my
    dream of a marathon. A year later I was on the start line, scared [censored] (18 miles was my
    previous long run)and just hoping to finish it in ANY time, no time goal at all. So I held back to
    11 mm's for the first few miles, then feeling good, I knew it was one of my "good days" of running
    where nothing could/would go wrong...until the wall. Being so scared of the dreaded "wall" that I'd
    never hit before, I figured I'd better hold back to 10mm and just hope to finish. The last 6 miles
    was a very cruel series of very long, steep hills, the very ones I trained on daily, so they did not
    intimidate or worry
    me. At mile twenty it started, dead mutilated, dried-up, shriveled up bodies strewn along the
    roadside,paramedics helping some, others just lieing there waiting for a ride back to the
    finish. Whimpering lil sissys I thought. it was afterall ONLY 97 degrees and very humid, the
    same stuff I trained in daily. Hmm, improper hydration on their parts I thought. 123 started the
    race, less than 50 finished. I had prepared by having a friend meet me at several key points
    along the course, and I was poised to finish, and even told my friend to skip the last watering
    point, I didn't need it. Mile 21, 22, 23, 24, still no wall, where was this elusive legend? 25
    miles and suddenly I realize there will be no 'wall' for me, it was a myth, I was going to
    finish without it, all that worry for nothing. The last mile was a very, very steep hill, ending
    on top of a mountain. I did it in about 6 minutes. Almost regretted it near the top, but I felt
    so incredibly good I didn't care. I had accomplished a goal I had only dreamed of, something
    nobody in my family had ever thought myself, or any of us would ever
    mf. My dad who'd previously said "running is for horses, we have cars" and whose idea of exercise
    was to go fishing, was so proud, he cut and copied the race results, highlighted my name, and
    sent it out to all my brothers and sisters. That really shocked me. But by everybodys standards
    I'd done the unthinkable, I'd run 26+ miles, that was 5 hours of non-stop running! It was just
    incredible to them. And to me, what I'd done with my body in only 7 short years...A new life for
    me had just begun.

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