Single Speeding

Joel Crum said:

bomba <[email hidden]> wrote in news:pan.2004.02.20.14.03.43.129563 @hotmail.com:

Quoted message said:

Sorry, are you saying that you can just "point and shoot" a fully rigid?

Personally *I* wouldn't say a thing like that. I'd worry it could be taken to mean something quite
different then what I'd intended.

We don't get your insinuation.

Bill "who let Speedy Gonzales in here?" S.

Bill Wheeler said:

Some like it.

Some don't.

Some have freed the minds.

Some have not.

When it comes down to it. I ride a single speed because it allows me to get the most out of my
rides, nothing is covered up and all your skills or lack of skills are exposed. Just you and your
bike. There can be no better riding experience. This is not opinion.

Peace, Bill

The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should
give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

Nice.

Wait--hold it a minute. It's not nice! You're back to using your old sig! I have always meant to
comment on that sig, and now, since your post subject matter commits the same fallacy as your sig,
the time is right.

Just as you say that your opinion is not opinion (and by implication, that it is fact), your
sig is wrong.

The statement in your signature implies that the mind has access to the absolute truth via the
senses. Any idiot who actually thinks this through knows that the statement is bull.

Our minds *perceive* the world. They interpret what they see, smell, hear, taste. There's no way
around that. What your eyes, ears, nose, tongue feed into your mind is *interpreted*. It's
perception, not truth.

Ever been fooled by an optical illusion? Of course you have. Everyone has. It happens when your eyes
see something, your mind tries to figure out what it is, and makes a mistake. Our minds are
constantly working to make sense of the information fed to it by the senses. Our minds rush to
conclusion. Sometimes the first conclusion is wrong. Sometimes it commits several mistakes before
reaching one that is correct enough to base rational action on.

Does the mind ever know The Truth? Perhaps it thinks it does. What if I see a snake at night, look
closer and see that it's a stick. Then I ride on. What if instead, I get down on hands and knees,
look really close, feel it with my hands, then I see it's actually a section of discarded cable.
When have I found The Truth?

In practice, once I get to a point where I know enough about what I'm perceiving to decide whether
it's important to me or not, I stop caring. And I stop gathering info. Have I found The Truth? Maybe
if I'm a victom of my own ego, I *think* I have. But rational, wise people know to keep a strong
sense of doubt and humility in their minds.

The fact that I can see a snake while night riding and jump, then realize I'm mistaken and that it's
not a snake--this proves that my mind is interpreting the world. Any freshman philosopy student can
explain that.

You say that there can be no better riding experience than singlespeeding, and that it's not just
your opinion. I know you're wrong. You can't possibly know! Your experience isn't universal! You're
just one guy! For you to declare your opinion to be true and any other false, that's just pride and
arrogance.

Singlespeeding is great for you. Super. Where I ride, what I ride, I'd be pushing a singlespeed half
the time. Being able to switch to granny gives me great pleasure. Just me and my bike. Riding, not
pushing. It can take quite a bit of skill to clean some of the climbs I do, even with a 19 gear/inch
ratio. For me, here in CO, singlespeeding would suck.

But of course, that's just my opinion.

Peace, Tom

The mind serves properly as a reflector rather than a window glass, that is, the mind should give an
interpretation of the world instead of an immediate view.

Unless you're a little nutty and think you know everything 😉

"S o r n i" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:TxrZb.6710$_g.1672
@twister.socal.rr.com:

Quoted message said:

Joel Crum said:

bomba <[email hidden]> wrote in news:pan.2004.02.20.14.03.43.129563 @hotmail.com:

Quoted message said:

Sorry, are you saying that you can just "point and shoot" a fully rigid?

Personally *I* wouldn't say a thing like that. I'd worry it could be taken to mean something
quite different then what I'd intended.

We don't get your insinuation.

Probably means you have a clean mind and a pure heart. :-)

--
- Joel C.

BB wrote: <snip>

Quoted message said:

In the end, I see that people who have these bikes all seem to ride them a lot and enjoy it (for
whatever reason). If people were buying them and then leaving them in the garage, THAT would be
hype. I don't pretend to understand what the big deal is, but I don't see a reason to ignore the
concensus.

On the other end of the spectrum, I don't see the reason why anyone would feel the need to "sell"
singlespeeding the way Wheeler does. I have missed more riding time from my one stupid attempt at
riding in one gear (resulting in a knee injury that has never fully healed) than I have from any
other thing (except family/work commitments, of course).

I've been primarily a single speeder for more than six years now. During this time there have been
periods when I haven't had a geared bike, but there hasn't been any time when I didn't own a single
speed. Geared bikes come and go, but the SS bikes remain my chosen rides. Why is this? I guess I
simply enjoy single speeding more than riding geared bikes. I've had some really nice geared bikes,
too, but they just don't have the magic that my SS has.

Do I proseletyze? Not much at all. I am sure you all know I SS, since I do talk about it. However, I
don't really give a damn whether or not anybody else chooses the SS route. I think you all might
enjoy it if you gave it a shot, but who am I to say that you should?

Bill W annoys me with his incessant "SS Über Alles" noise. I'd be happy to no longer hear it. Still,
he has good things to say every so often, so I read his posts. That's my choice.

It is all about choices one takes.

Miles

So bomba <[email hidden]> says:

Quoted message said:

Bill Wheeler said:

When it comes down to it. I ride a single speed because it allows me to get the most out of my
rides, nothing is covered up and all your skills or lack of skills are exposed.

What does SS have to do with skills? I'm aware that the tendency is towards FUSSY compliance, but
why would it take more skills to ride a rigid SS than a rigid geared?

It's not really that it takes more skills as much as that if you ride a SS a lot you have no choice
but to develop great spin and the ability to push a hard gear up a hill and if you work hard at it
how to do it well. Anyone with half a brain is gonna figger out how to do these things on a multi-
gear but the fact is that on a multi with the flick of a finger the _necessity_ to do so is gone.

I'm a devoted SS and I really want y'all to go out and buy one. I don't care if you ever ride
it, I just want the prices of SS specific parts to come down as manufacturing increases. Go
forth and multiply.

jeffb

I SS, DH, XC, Trials, Street/Urban, Road, track/fixed gear...you name it.

And yes, I do shove it all down everyone's throats.

- CA-G

Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

"Jon Wyatt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Bill Wheeler said:

Some like it.

Some don't.

Some have freed the minds.

Some have not.

When it comes down to it. I ride a single speed because it allows me to get the most out of my
rides, nothing is covered up and all your skills or lack of skills are exposed. Just you and
your bike. There can be no better riding experience. This is not opinion.

It's like, riding a bike.

--

My Bomberhood Brother, where for art thou been? Riding, I hope. It's good to see you make an
appearance.

Brother JD

Bill Wheeler <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Some like it.

Some don't.

Some have freed the minds.

Some have not.

When it comes down to it. I ride a single speed because it allows me to get the most out of my
rides, nothing is covered up and all your skills or lack of skills are exposed. Just you and your
bike. There can be no better riding experience. This is not opinion.

Got dogma? LOL. Kepp up the good troll, Bill - I dig it.

Bill, I love you like, uhh, another dude on USENET, but you really gotta adjust your meds. If it
were so damn entertaining, I'd have to shake my head.

Yeah, verily, though I have ridden through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I shall fear no trail,
because Thy skills and single-speed are with me...

Wheeler 23:5
--
Jonesy "Get thee behind me, Geared One!"

jeffbonny said:

Quoted message said:

What does SS have to do with skills? I'm aware that the tendency is towards FUSSY compliance, but
why would it take more skills to ride a rigid SS than a rigid geared?

It's not really that it takes more skills as much as that if you ride a SS a lot you have no
choice but to develop great spin and the ability to push a hard gear up a hill and if you work
hard at it how to do it well. Anyone with half a brain is gonna figger out how to do these things
on a multi-gear but the fact is that on a multi with the flick of a finger the _necessity_ to do
so is gone.

That was kind of my thinking. SS requires a different technique, and more powerful legs and lungs,
but I don't think it instills, or requires, more skills than a similar geared bike.

Quoted message said:

I'm a devoted SS and I really want y'all to go out and buy one. I don't care if you ever ride it,
I just want the prices of SS specific parts to come down as manufacturing increases. Go forth and
multiply.

Hmm... Chris King SS disc hub...

Joel Crum said:

Probably means you have a clean mind and a pure heart. :-)

And that would be the first time those phrases have been used in relation to Sorni 🙂

JD said:

"Jon Wyatt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

My Bomberhood Brother, where for art thou been? Riding, I hope. It's good to see you make an
appearance.

Brother JD

I'm right here man. As stated earlier, I have sadly been recovering from a broken knee (3 months off
everything), just got it out of the cast this week but it's a long road to singlespeeding from here.

Just thought I'd nip in, see who was still around. I'm seeing a few old regulars so far, you, GT,
Kathleen, Paladin, crazy people trying to argue with MV. Those names are like old whisky rolling
across my tongue, I might stay a while, acrue your wisdom.

Hope *everyone* here who knew me is feeling great and riding well, you lucky buggers.

Later.

--
--
Jon [Windows]

Way ahead of his time. I fear for the future. samuri.co.uksamuri.co.ukOpen ↗

bomba said:

Joel Crum said:

Probably means you have a clean mind and a pure heart. :-)

And that would be the first time those phrases have been used in relation to Sorni 🙂

Well, since birth anyway.

Bill "maybe baby" S.

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In article said:

Nice.

Wait--hold it a minute. It's not nice! You're back to using your old sig! I have always meant to
comment on that sig, and now, since your post subject matter commits the same fallacy as your sig,
the time is right.

Just as you say that your opinion is not opinion (and by implication, that it is fact), your sig
is wrong.

The statement in your signature implies that the mind has access to the absolute truth via the
senses. Any idiot who actually thinks this through knows that the statement is bull.

Our minds *perceive* the world. They interpret what they see, smell, hear, taste. There's no way
around that. What your eyes, ears, nose, tongue feed into your mind is *interpreted*. It's
perception, not truth.

Ever been fooled by an optical illusion? Of course you have. Everyone has. It happens when your
eyes see something, your mind tries to figure out what it is, and makes a mistake. Our minds are
constantly working to make sense of the information fed to it by the senses. Our minds rush to
conclusion. Sometimes the first conclusion is wrong. Sometimes it commits several mistakes before
reaching one that is correct enough to base rational action on.

Does the mind ever know The Truth? Perhaps it thinks it does. What if I see a snake at night, look
closer and see that it's a stick. Then I ride on. What if instead, I get down on hands and knees,
look really close, feel it with my hands, then I see it's actually a section of discarded cable.
When have I found The Truth?

In practice, once I get to a point where I know enough about what I'm perceiving to decide whether
it's important to me or not, I stop caring. And I stop gathering info. Have I found The Truth?
Maybe if I'm a victom of my own ego, I *think* I have. But rational, wise people know to keep a
strong sense of doubt and humility in their minds.

The fact that I can see a snake while night riding and jump, then realize I'm mistaken and that
it's not a snake--this proves that my mind is interpreting the world. Any freshman philosopy
student can explain that.

You say that there can be no better riding experience than singlespeeding, and that it's not just
your opinion. I know you're wrong. You can't possibly know! Your experience isn't universal!
You're just one guy! For you to declare your opinion to be true and any other false, that's just
pride and arrogance.

Singlespeeding is great for you. Super. Where I ride, what I ride, I'd be pushing a singlespeed
half the time. Being able to switch to granny gives me great pleasure. Just me and my bike.
Riding, not pushing. It can take quite a bit of skill to clean some of the climbs I do, even with
a 19 gear/inch ratio. For me, here in CO, singlespeeding would suck.

But of course, that's just my opinion.

Peace, Tom

The mind serves properly as a reflector rather than a window glass, that is, the mind should give
an interpretation of the world instead of an immediate view.

Unless you're a little nutty and think you know everything 😉

way to thoughtful response to what was basically a troll.

On 20 Feb 2004 10:06:17 -0800, [email hidden] (Tom Purvis) wrote:

[snip words]

Quoted message said:

But of course, that's just my opinion.

Peace, Tom

The mind serves properly as a reflector rather than a window glass, that is, the mind should give
an interpretation of the world instead of an immediate view.

Unless you're a little nutty and think you know everything 😉

a little nutty?....perhaps. think I know everything...nahh.

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

(Jonesy) said:

Bill Wheeler <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Some like it.

Some don't.

Some have freed the minds.

Some have not.

When it comes down to it. I ride a single speed because it allows me to get the most out of my
rides, nothing is covered up and all your skills or lack of skills are exposed. Just you and your
bike. There can be no better riding experience. This is not opinion.

Got dogma? LOL. Kepp up the good troll, Bill - I dig it.

Someone who gets it.

Quoted message said:

Bill, I love you like, uhh, another dude on USENET, but you really gotta adjust your meds. If it
were so damn entertaining, I'd have to shake my head.

Yeah, verily, though I have ridden through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I shall fear no
trail, because Thy skills and single-speed are with me...

Wheeler 23:5

ROFLMAO!

nice, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

Paul macintyre said:

----------
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Tom

Purvis) said:

Nice.

Wait--hold it a minute. It's not nice! You're back to using your old sig! I have always meant to
comment on that sig, and now, since your post subject matter commits the same fallacy as your
sig, the time is right.

Just as you say that your opinion is not opinion (and by implication, that it is fact), your sig
is wrong.

The statement in your signature implies that the mind has access to the absolute truth via the
senses. Any idiot who actually thinks this through knows that the statement is bull.

Our minds *perceive* the world. They interpret what they see, smell, hear, taste. There's no way
around that. What your eyes, ears, nose, tongue feed into your mind is *interpreted*. It's
perception, not truth.

Ever been fooled by an optical illusion? Of course you have. Everyone has. It happens when your
eyes see something, your mind tries to figure out what it is, and makes a mistake. Our minds are
constantly working to make sense of the information fed to it by the senses. Our minds rush to
conclusion. Sometimes the first conclusion is wrong. Sometimes it commits several mistakes before
reaching one that is correct enough to base rational action on.

Does the mind ever know The Truth? Perhaps it thinks it does. What if I see a snake at night,
look closer and see that it's a stick. Then I ride on. What if instead, I get down on hands and
knees, look really close, feel it with my hands, then I see it's actually a section of discarded
cable. When have I found The Truth?

In practice, once I get to a point where I know enough about what I'm perceiving to decide
whether it's important to me or not, I stop caring. And I stop gathering info. Have I found The
Truth? Maybe if I'm a victom of my own ego, I *think* I have. But rational, wise people know to
keep a strong sense of doubt and humility in their minds.

The fact that I can see a snake while night riding and jump, then realize I'm mistaken and that
it's not a snake--this proves that my mind is interpreting the world. Any freshman philosopy
student can explain that.

You say that there can be no better riding experience than singlespeeding, and that it's not just
your opinion. I know you're wrong. You can't possibly know! Your experience isn't universal!
You're just one guy! For you to declare your opinion to be true and any other false, that's just
pride and arrogance.

Singlespeeding is great for you. Super. Where I ride, what I ride, I'd be pushing a singlespeed
half the time. Being able to switch to granny gives me great pleasure. Just me and my bike.
Riding, not pushing. It can take quite a bit of skill to clean some of the climbs I do, even with
a 19 gear/inch ratio. For me, here in CO, singlespeeding would suck.

But of course, that's just my opinion.

Peace, Tom

The mind serves properly as a reflector rather than a window glass, that is, the mind should give
an interpretation of the world instead of an immediate view.

Unless you're a little nutty and think you know everything 😉

way to thoughtful response to what was basically a troll.

shhhhh, you'll ruin everything.

Peace, Bill

The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

So bomba <[email hidden]> says:

Quoted message said:

jeffbonny said:

Go forth and multiply.

Hmm... Chris King SS disc hub...

Ya read my mind!

"samuri" <samuri.atthatthereplace.dsl.pipex.com> wrote .

Quoted message said:

Just thought I'd nip in, see who was still around.

Samuri! Nice to see you pop in.

CC

Bill Wheeler said:

Some like it.

Some don't.

Some have freed the minds.

Some have not.

When it comes down to it. I ride a single speed because it allows me to get the most out of my
rides, nothing is covered up and all your skills or lack of skills are exposed. Just you and your
bike. There can be no better riding experience. This is not opinion.

Peace, Bill

I used to be into that SS over 40 years ago, I was so happy when I got my first three speed and I
haven't looked back since.

--
Perre

You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

Bill Wheeler <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

(Jonesy) said:

Bill Wheeler <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Some like it.

Some don't.

Some have freed the minds.

Some have not.

When it comes down to it. I ride a single speed because it allows me to get the most out of my
rides, nothing is covered up and all your skills or lack of skills are exposed. Just you and
your bike. There can be no better riding experience. This is not opinion.

Got dogma? LOL. Kepp up the good troll, Bill - I dig it.

Someone who gets it.

Quoted message said:

Bill, I love you like, uhh, another dude on USENET, but you really gotta adjust your meds. If it
were so damn entertaining, I'd have to shake my head.

Yeah, verily, though I have ridden through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I shall fear no
trail, because Thy skills and single-speed are with me...

Wheeler 23:5

ROFLMAO!

nice, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the
mind should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

Well, lets all join hands and sing the chorus. Sorry but I like my gears.

Bill, your scaring the young 'uns............... insert grin here.

Marty