vegetarians

Depends on what kind of vegetarian and where you live? You might need a little milk or eggs to
supplement the missing animal components. Humans are 'designed' to eat animal/insect products - they
produce a powerful acid and various enzymes for digesting animal proteins. Anth

"Michelle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

hi should vegetarians be taking vitamins because they dont get the stuff that meat contains.

any answers will be helpful

michelle

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: vegetarians
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 2/20/2004 10:08 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Depends on what kind of vegetarian and where you live? You might need a little milk or eggs to
supplement the missing animal components. Humans are 'designed' to eat animal/insect products -
they produce a powerful acid and various enzymes for digesting animal proteins. Anth

Humans were not designed to eat animals/insects in the beginning.

Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every
tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." Genesis 1:29.

"Thou shall eat the herb of the field." Genesis 3:18

An explanation.

We believe that "In the beginning God created ... man and woman." We also believe that when God
created us that He made us unique, with the freedom to choose. And yet how could we choose without
gaining information. He gave us the information we needed to choose wisely, unfortunately,
throughout history, we have a reputation of disregarding God's wisdom and instead following our own
foolish ideas. This is in regard to whom we would follow right down the line to what would be
important to us. This included what we would eat, drink and how we would live. God told us to eat
the "seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in
it", Genesis 1:29, in other words, fruits, seeds, nuts and grains. (By the way, He gave the green
plants for the animals to eat.) We were to eat in addition the fruit from the tree of life. From
these foods, we would receive all the nourishment we would need to live forever. After the fall,
however, we would no longer have access to the tree of life, and thus would no longer live forever.
At that time God told us to add to our diet the plants of the field, greens, vegetables, Genesis
3:18. This addition would replace the necessary nutrients, needed for a healthy body, (not an
everlasting one),that we would no longer be receiving from the tree of life.. On this diet,
man lived to an average age of 912 years without a single recorded instance of sickness! It
was not until after the flood, when man had grown so wicked that God regretted creating man
and so destroyed the earth, that God gave permission for man to eat certain meats that were to
be prepared in certain ways. In less that 10 generations on this type of lifestyle, man's
average age went from 912 to 100 years of age. Today that average is about 70! What we are
encouraging is for us to return to the lifestyle God originally told us to follow for good
health. In so doing, we believe that we can give our bodies the nutrients that God created us
as needing, in order to rebuild our much depleted immune system and also to build healthy
cells for a healthier body.

I believe ths explanation to be correct.

There will be naysayers who will say it is sales hype.

Jan

I'm not that up on the bible, but if I was you I would take the religious nuts with a pinch of salt
-they use the bible as a source for their own ignorance. If they had only taken the time to read and
understand the bible, they would see that milk and animals are included as goodies to eat.

(Try a google search 'hallelujah diet dangerous' and or look on the Hallelujah Acres site - you will
see that they now advocate vitamin B12 in supplement form in their vegan diet)

A completely vegan diet (Genesis?) lacking in vitamin B12 would eventually put you at risk from a
deficiency of B12. The body has large stores of B12 as it is needed to make various body machinery
including DNA,blood cells and also myelin nerve sheaths. Older (more natural/better?) farming
methods would have contained contaminants (from insects/bacteria?) which would have added to the
bodies B12 stores.

Argument :- We have strong HCL in our guts which is used to break down animal proteins and to make
B12. We have canine teeth 'designed' to process meat. Herbivores are mostly lacking in these
features i.e. we are not herbivores.

Anth

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: vegetarians From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 2/20/2004 10:08 AM Pacific
Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Depends on what kind of vegetarian and where you live? You might need a little milk or eggs to
supplement the missing animal components. Humans are 'designed' to eat animal/insect products -
they produce a powerful acid and various enzymes for digesting animal proteins. Anth

Humans were not designed to eat animals/insects in the beginning.

Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of

all

Quoted message said:

the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding

seed;

Quoted message said:

to you it shall be for meat." Genesis 1:29.

"Thou shall eat the herb of the field." Genesis 3:18

An explanation.

We believe that "In the beginning God created ... man and woman." We also believe that when God
created us that He made us unique, with the freedom

to

Quoted message said:

choose. And yet how could we choose without gaining information. He gave

us the

Quoted message said:

information we needed to choose wisely, unfortunately, throughout history,

we

Quoted message said:

have a reputation of disregarding God's wisdom and instead following our

own

Quoted message said:

foolish ideas. This is in regard to whom we would follow right down the

line to

Quoted message said:

what would be important to us. This included what we would eat, drink and

how

Quoted message said:

we would live. God told us to eat the "seed-bearing plant on the face of

the

Quoted message said:

whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it", Genesis 1:29,

in

Quoted message said:

other words, fruits, seeds, nuts and grains. (By the way, He gave the

green

Quoted message said:

plants for the animals to eat.) We were to eat in addition the fruit from

the

Quoted message said:

tree of life. From these foods, we would receive all the nourishment we

would

Quoted message said:

need to live forever. After the fall, however, we would no longer have

access

Quoted message said:

to the tree of life, and thus would no longer live forever. At that time

God

Quoted message said:

told us to add to our diet the plants of the field, greens, vegetables,

Genesis

Quoted message said:

3:18. This addition would replace the necessary nutrients, needed for a

healthy

Quoted message said:

body, (not an everlasting one),that we would no longer be receiving from

the

Quoted message said:

tree of life.. On this diet, man lived to an average age of 912 years

without a

Quoted message said:

single recorded instance of sickness! It was not until after the flood,

when

Quoted message said:

man had grown so wicked that God regretted creating man and so destroyed

the

Quoted message said:

earth, that God gave permission for man to eat certain meats that were to

be

Quoted message said:

prepared in certain ways. In less that 10 generations on this type of lifestyle, man's average age
went from 912 to 100 years of age. Today that average is about 70! What we are encouraging is for
us to return to the lifestyle God originally told us to follow for good health. In so doing,

we

Quoted message said:

believe that we can give our bodies the nutrients that God created us as needing, in order to
rebuild our much depleted immune system and also to

build

Quoted message said:

healthy cells for a healthier body.

I believe ths explanation to be correct.

There will be naysayers who will say it is sales hype.

Jan

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Humans were not designed to eat animals/insects in the beginning.

Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of

all

Quoted message said:

the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding

seed;

Quoted message said:

to you it shall be for meat." Genesis 1:29.

"Thou shall eat the herb of the field." Genesis 3:18

[...]

Quoted message said:

I believe ths explanation to be correct.

There will be naysayers who will say it is sales hype.

It's called Preying on the Flock: something I'm sure you're familiar with.

(If Jesus was the son of god, then why did he eat Fish and sheep?)

Some more stuff :- mercola.comformer vegan.htmOpen ↗ Anth

cc.nih.govvitb12.htmlOpen ↗ Anth

Quoted message said:

Subject: vegetarians
From: [email hidden] (Michelle)
Date: 2/20/04 9:56 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

hi should vegetarians be taking vitamins because they dont get the stuff that meat contains.

any answers will be helpful

michelle

The only thing meat might contain that a veggie might need is vitamin B12. Even that is arguable
since the real B12 deficiency is very, very rare, even among vegans.

DrC PhD.

The doctor of the future will give no poisonous medicine in the vain attempt to poison the sick into
getting well.

The doctor of the future will interest the patient in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in
the cause and prevention of disease, and a medical theory which will not include bacteria, viruses,
retro-viruses, prions. or auto-immune excuses as the cause of any disease.

That would at least bring today’s allopathic medicine, Western medicine, up to the level of
scientific medical data available in 1870.

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: vegetarians
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 2/20/04 1:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Depends on what kind of vegetarian and where you live? You might need a little milk or eggs to
supplement the missing animal components.

Can't agree.

A human can eat like an omnivore and fill their body with all manner of disease, but humans do not
need or miss animal components.

Quoted message said:

Humans are 'designed' to eat animal/insect products - they produce a powerful acid and various
enzymes for digesting animal proteins.

Humans were not designed to eat animal products. We do not have claws, powerful jaws to crush bones,
large teeth to rip into tough hides, etc, etc. We eat animal products because we can and don't know
any better.

By the way, human enzymes pale in comarison to the carnivore's enzymes for digesting protein. Ours
was designed for plant protein, not animal protein. The added problem of raw versus cooked adds
another dimension to the difficulty of digesting animal flesh for the human.

DrC PhD

The doctor of the future will give no poisonous medicine in the vain attempt to poison the sick into
getting well.

The doctor of the future will interest the patient in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in
the cause and prevention of disease, and a medical theory which will not include bacteria, viruses,
retro-viruses, prions. or auto-immune excuses as the cause of any disease.

That would at least bring today’s allopathic medicine, Western medicine, up to the level of
scientific medical data available in 1870.

(DRCEEPHD) said:

The only thing meat might contain that a veggie might need is vitamin B12. Even that is arguable
since the real B12 deficiency is very, very rare, even among vegans.

DrC PhD.

You are a complete dork, not a doc, and devoid of a Piled High and Deep.

Go back to 1870 moron.

WB
--

Take out the G'RBAGE to reply
[email hidden]

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: vegetarians From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 2/20/2004 10:08 AM Pacific
Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Depends on what kind of vegetarian and where you live? You might need a little milk or eggs to
supplement the missing animal components. Humans are 'designed' to eat animal/insect products -
they produce a powerful acid and various enzymes for digesting animal proteins. Anth

Humans were not designed to eat animals/insects in the beginning.

Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and
every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
Genesis 1:29.

"Thou shall eat the herb of the field." Genesis 3:18

That is religious insanity.

Aribert Deckers
--
Sause an Kanzler's Kapitänstisch?

ariplex.comama no15.htmOpen ↗

Please forgive the top post..........

Jan, you forgot the part about precious bodily fluids.

carabelli

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: vegetarians From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 2/20/2004 10:08 AM Pacific
Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Depends on what kind of vegetarian and where you live? You might need a little milk or eggs to
supplement the missing animal components. Humans are 'designed' to eat animal/insect products -
they produce a powerful acid and various enzymes for digesting animal proteins. Anth

Humans were not designed to eat animals/insects in the beginning.

Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of

all

Quoted message said:

the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding

seed;

Quoted message said:

to you it shall be for meat." Genesis 1:29.

"Thou shall eat the herb of the field." Genesis 3:18

An explanation.

We believe that "In the beginning God created ... man and woman." We also believe that when God
created us that He made us unique, with the freedom

to

Quoted message said:

choose. And yet how could we choose without gaining information. He gave

us the

Quoted message said:

information we needed to choose wisely, unfortunately, throughout history,

we

Quoted message said:

have a reputation of disregarding God's wisdom and instead following our

own

Quoted message said:

foolish ideas. This is in regard to whom we would follow right down the

line to

Quoted message said:

what would be important to us. This included what we would eat, drink and

how

Quoted message said:

we would live. God told us to eat the "seed-bearing plant on the face of

the

Quoted message said:

whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it", Genesis 1:29,

in

Quoted message said:

other words, fruits, seeds, nuts and grains. (By the way, He gave the

green

Quoted message said:

plants for the animals to eat.) We were to eat in addition the fruit from

the

Quoted message said:

tree of life. From these foods, we would receive all the nourishment we

would

Quoted message said:

need to live forever. After the fall, however, we would no longer have

access

Quoted message said:

to the tree of life, and thus would no longer live forever. At that time

God

Quoted message said:

told us to add to our diet the plants of the field, greens, vegetables,

Genesis

Quoted message said:

3:18. This addition would replace the necessary nutrients, needed for a

healthy

Quoted message said:

body, (not an everlasting one),that we would no longer be receiving from

the

Quoted message said:

tree of life.. On this diet, man lived to an average age of 912 years

without a

Quoted message said:

single recorded instance of sickness! It was not until after the flood,

when

Quoted message said:

man had grown so wicked that God regretted creating man and so destroyed

the

Quoted message said:

earth, that God gave permission for man to eat certain meats that were to

be

Quoted message said:

prepared in certain ways. In less that 10 generations on this type of lifestyle, man's average age
went from 912 to 100 years of age. Today that average is about 70! What we are encouraging is for
us to return to the lifestyle God originally told us to follow for good health. In so doing,

we

Quoted message said:

believe that we can give our bodies the nutrients that God created us as needing, in order to
rebuild our much depleted immune system and also to

build

Quoted message said:

healthy cells for a healthier body.

I believe ths explanation to be correct.

There will be naysayers who will say it is sales hype.

Jan

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I'm not that up on the bible, but if I was you I would take the religious nuts with a pinch
of salt -they use the bible as a source for their own ignorance. If they had only taken the
time to read and understand the bible, they would see that milk and animals are included as
goodies to eat.

No, they would not. The words milk, meat, food, etc. are used without regard to their factual truth.
The Bible clearly states this. The construction of man from his mouth to his anus, and the enzymes
therein contained confirm that man is a frugivore ( nuts, certain seeds, plants, and mainly fruits )
and not a gramivore, nor a carnivore, nor any other -ore you can name.

Man was given "PERMISSION" to eat meat. Man was never created to eat meat. At the next rodeo you can
get to, offer to attack, kill, and eat one of the brahma bulls they ride using only your hands and
your teeth. It would be interesting to see just who got killed.

Quoted message said:

(Try a google search 'hallelujah diet dangerous' and or look on the Hallelujah Acres site - you
will see that they now advocate vitamin B12 in supplement form in their vegan diet)

This is correct. The scientific study was made and the recommendations put out. Are they really
neeeded is still arguable.

To me, this makes no sense at all. B12 deficiency is a very, very rare disease, if it is even
diagnosed correctly. What the human body needs is B12 precursors coming in. Intrinsic factor (
whatever that is ) is produced by the stomach to transport the B12 on to the illeum where it can be
absorbed. In the small intestine, the resident bacteria will combine the precoursers with cobalt to
form B12. Many animals excrete quantities of B12 due to the presence of cobalt and the B12 forming
bacteria. It is also taught that B12 cannot be absorbed from the colon, even though the feces may
contain large amounts of B12.

I have a hard time accepting the claim that HEALTHY humans, vegan or otherwise, need additional B12.
I have a hard time accepting that a healthy colon would not and could not absorb any needed B12
existing there. An unhealthy colon is another matter.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Argument :- We have strong HCL in our guts which is used to break down animal proteins and to
make B12.

HCl is a strong acid. This acid serves to activate the proteolytic enzymes. It is the enzymes that
do the work, not the HCl

However, human proteolytic enzymes cannot break down most animal proteins including hair, hide, and
bones. This also includes cooked animal proteins that have been de-natured.

We have canine teeth 'designed' to process meat.

I have to disagree. The tough hide of a fruit maybe, but not that of a cow.

Quoted message said:

Herbivores are mostly lacking in these features i.e. we are not herbivores.

Anth

Well, here you are correct. Man is not an herbivore. We do not have multiple stomanchs and were not
designed to dine on grass, weeds, leaves, or twigs.

It is interesting to see the diseases that the herbivores get when forced to eat meat. Diseases like
mad cow and others come to mind.

DrC PhD

I don't agree with a vegan diet simply because it's potentially dangerous.

ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgiOpen ↗
t=Abstract

Note that in it's natural form this study shows vegens were ok for B12 and iron. I doubt vegans
using our farming methods would be in the smiliar ranges as they wouldn't be eating B12 in the form
of insects and feces..

ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgiOpen ↗
t=Abstract

ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgiOpen ↗

ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgiOpen ↗
Lacto vegetarians below RDA B12?

ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgiOpen ↗
Brain damage in infancy and dietary vitamin B12 deficiency.

lef.orgmar00 medup.htmlOpen ↗ Full source: AMER.J.CLIN.NUTR. 1999 Vol 70 Iss
3 pp 525S-531S Analyses of 6,000 vegetarians showed that vegans (those who consume only vegetables,
nuts, seeds, and fruits) had lower total- and LDL cholesterol concentrations than did meat eaters.
When fiber intake rose, total-cholesterol concentration dropped in both men and women. Mortality
rates were lower in non-meat eaters than in meat eaters for all causes of death, for ischemic heart
disease, and for all malignant neoplasms. Death from ischemic heart disease with lower intake of
total animal fat, saturated animal fat, and dietary cholesterol.

lauralee.combiblediet.htmOpen ↗

Anth

"drceephd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm not that up on the bible, but if I was you I would take the

religious

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

nuts with a pinch of salt -they use the bible as a source for their own ignorance. If they had
only taken the time to read and understand the bible, they

would

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

see that milk and animals are included as goodies to eat.

No, they would not. The words milk, meat, food, etc. are used without regard to their factual
truth. The Bible clearly states this. The construction of man from his mouth to his anus, and the
enzymes therein contained confirm that man is a frugivore ( nuts, certain seeds, plants, and
mainly fruits ) and not a gramivore, nor a carnivore, nor any other -ore you can name.

Quoted message said:

Man was given "PERMISSION" to eat meat. Man was never created to eat meat. At the next rodeo you
can get to, offer to attack, kill, and eat one of the brahma bulls they ride using only your hands
and your teeth. It would be interesting to see just who got killed.

Man evolved from primates and not adam and eve as the bible would say, unlesss you can show
otherwise.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(Try a google search 'hallelujah diet dangerous' and or look on the Hallelujah Acres site - you
will see that they now advocate vitamin B12

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

supplement form in their vegan diet)

This is correct. The scientific study was made and the recommendations put out. Are they really
neeeded is still arguable.

Quoted message said:

To me, this makes no sense at all. B12 deficiency is a very, very rare disease, if it is even
diagnosed correctly. What the human body needs is B12 precursors coming in. Intrinsic factor (
whatever that is ) is produced by the stomach to transport the B12 on to the illeum where it can
be absorbed. In the small intestine, the resident bacteria will combine the precoursers with
cobalt to form B12. Many animals excrete quantities of B12 due to the presence of cobalt and the
B12 forming bacteria. It is also taught that B12 cannot be absorbed from the colon, even though
the feces may contain large amounts of B12.

It may be very rare, but has potential to arise and cause problems for children if their mothers
follow the advice of the religious nuts.

Quoted message said:

I have a hard time accepting the claim that HEALTHY humans, vegan or otherwise, need additional
B12. I have a hard time accepting that a healthy colon would not and could not absorb any needed
B12 existing there. An unhealthy colon is another matter.

Quoted message said:

If we could absorb B12 from oiur colons, then surely it would be absorbed from the feces that we
make each day?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Argument :- We have strong HCL in our guts which is used to break down animal

proteins

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and to make B12.

HCl is a strong acid. This acid serves to activate the proteolytic enzymes. It is the enzymes that
do the work, not the HCl

However, human proteolytic enzymes cannot break down most animal proteins including hair, hide,
and bones. This also includes cooked animal proteins that have been de-natured.

Proteolytic enzymes are for digesting proteins and also (imo) for stripping the coat from cancerous
cells and increasing the bodies defense against disease.

Quoted message said:

We have canine teeth 'designed' to process meat. I have to disagree. The tough hide of a fruit
maybe, but not that of a cow.

Why the incisors for stripping flesh?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Herbivores are mostly lacking in these features i.e. we are not

herbivores.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Anth

Well, here you are correct. Man is not an herbivore. We do not have multiple stomanchs and were
not designed to dine on grass, weeds, leaves, or twigs.

It is interesting to see the diseases that the herbivores get when forced to eat meat. Diseases
like mad cow and others come to mind.

Mad man springs to mind ! Or indeed the diseases that man gets when he eats brains from his
own species.

Quoted message said:

DrC PhD

I know Mr. Sardi will appreciate what he just read. I also hope he appreciates the next conclusion
of the study, which reveals: "Further categorization of diets showed that, in comparison with
regular meat eaters, mortality from ischemic heart disease was 20% lower in occasional meat
eaters, 34% lower in people who ate fish but not meat, 34% lower in lactoovovegetarians, and 26%
lower in vegans."

Anth

chetday.comhallelujah diet dangers.htmOpen ↗ Anth

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: vegetarians From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 2/20/2004 10:08 AM Pacific
Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Depends on what kind of vegetarian and where you live? You might need a little milk or eggs to
supplement the missing animal components. Humans are 'designed' to eat animal/insect products -
they produce a powerful acid and various enzymes for digesting animal proteins. Anth

Humans were not designed to eat animals/insects in the beginning.

Do you know 'ironjustice'?

Quoted message said:

Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and
every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
Genesis 1:29.

"Thou shall eat the herb of the field." Genesis 3:18

An explanation.

We believe that "In the beginning God created ... man and woman." We also believe that when God
created us that He made us unique, with the freedom to choose. And yet how could we choose without
gaining information. He gave us the information we needed to choose wisely, unfortunately,
throughout history, we have a reputation of disregarding God's wisdom and instead following our
own foolish ideas. This is in regard to whom we would follow right down the line to what would be
important to us. This included what we would eat, drink and how we would live. God told us to eat
the "seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in
it", Genesis 1:29, in other words, fruits, seeds, nuts and grains. (By the way, He gave the green
plants for the animals to eat.) We were to eat in addition the fruit from the tree of life. From
these foods, we would receive all the nourishment we would need to live forever. After the fall,
however, we would no longer have access to the tree of life, and thus would no longer live
forever. At that time God told us to add to our diet the plants of the field, greens, vegetables,
Genesis 3:18. This addition would replace the necessary nutrients, needed for a healthy body, (not
an everlasting one),that we would no longer be receiving from the tree of life.. On this diet, man
lived to an average age of 912 years without a single recorded instance of sickness! It was not
until after the flood, when man had grown so wicked that God regretted creating man and so
destroyed the earth, that God gave permission for man to eat certain meats that were to be
prepared in certain ways. In less that 10 generations on this type of lifestyle, man's average age
went from 912 to 100 years of age. Today that average is about 70! What we are encouraging is for
us to return to the lifestyle God originally told us to follow for good health. In so doing, we
believe that we can give our bodies the nutrients that God created us as needing, in order to
rebuild our much depleted immune system and also to build healthy cells for a healthier body.

I believe ths explanation to be correct.

There will be naysayers who will say it is sales hype.

I say it's just total nonsense.

Quoted message said:

Jan

Marvin L. Zinn <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Michelle,

The short answer is "YES". A strict vegetarian is probably not getting enough vitamin B.
However, there are some (not necessarily the majority) of vegetarians and even vegans who
maintain good health for a long life without supplements. My guess, is that it has something
to do with genetic makeup, or perhaps something else in their environment that compensates.

marvin

Marvin L. Zinn Reply to: [email hidden] Using Virtual Access Windows 2000 build 2600

Actually, it's only vitamin B-12, and not the rest of the B vitamins (or any other vitamins.)

And "vegetarians" do not need to be concerned with B-12, only "vegans" do.

There have been apparently some cases of B-12 deficiency known in the past.

Modern day vegan food articles, e.g. soymilk, typically contain added B-12, so this is not a serious
issue for anyone wanting to be vegan or vegetarian.

The serious issue is being able to stay on the diet. Well intentioned people are often not able to
stay vegetarian, due to lack of knowledge of what to eat.

Innovative cooking is really the best solution. Chinese and Indian styles of cooking are suitable
for adapting to the vegan diet. Tofu can be used in many Chinese recipes in place of chicken or
duck, and in place of Cheese (paneer) in Indian cooking. Tacos also do well with tofu -- anything
where meat is not the main source of flavor, but vegetables/spices are.

Also, note that soy-milk at first tastes rather horrible. This is because of some sort of
adaptation. I am not sure what's involved, but if you stick to it for a while, it starts tasting
normal and it's cow's milk that starts to taste awful (in fact, you start noticing a particular
smell in cow's milk, kind of like a body odor), and soy-milk starts to taste clean. (Experimenting
with different brands is probably a good idea too.)

Another thing is the new vegan "meats", "mock chicken", vegan "cream cheese", vegan "soy milk"
products etc. Some are not very good, some are. Often you need to get creative with these. The vegan
"hot dogs" are awful as hot dogs, but slice and fry them, and they are a treat. In general, don't
expect that the vegan "beef" will replace your steak or hamburger. Just be prepared to encounter
novelty, and to work with variations/combinations until it tastes good to you.

Also, these vegan "meats" tend to be on the expensive side, but that will probably change as
more people start buying them. The situation has already changed astronomically in the last
decade or two.

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Michelle,

The short answer is "YES". A strict vegetarian is probably not getting enough vitamin B.
However, there are some (not necessarily the majority) of vegetarians and even vegans who
maintain good health for a long life without supplements. My guess, is that it has something
to do with genetic makeup, or perhaps something else in their environment that compensates.

marvin

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Actually, it's only vitamin B-12, and not the rest of the B vitamins (or any other vitamins.)

And "vegetarians" do not need to be concerned with B-12, only "vegans" do.

There have been apparently some cases of B-12 deficiency known in the past.

Modern day vegan food articles, e.g. soymilk, typically contain added B-12, so this is not a
serious issue for anyone wanting to be vegan or vegetarian.

The serious issue is being able to stay on the diet. Well intentioned people are often not able to
stay vegetarian, due to lack of knowledge of what to eat.

Innovative cooking is really the best solution. Chinese and Indian styles of cooking are suitable
for adapting to the vegan diet. Tofu can be used in many Chinese recipes in place of chicken or
duck, and in place of Cheese (paneer) in Indian cooking. Tacos also do well with tofu -- anything
where meat is not the main source of flavor, but vegetables/spices are.

Also, note that soy-milk at first tastes rather horrible. This is because of some sort of
adaptation. I am not sure what's involved, but if you stick to it for a while, it starts tasting
normal and it's cow's milk that starts to taste awful (in fact, you start noticing a particular
smell in cow's milk, kind of like a body odor), and soy-milk starts to taste clean. (Experimenting
with different brands is probably a good idea too.)

Another thing is the new vegan "meats", "mock chicken", vegan "cream cheese", vegan "soy milk"
products etc. Some are not very good, some are. Often you need to get creative with these. The
vegan "hot dogs" are awful as hot dogs, but slice and fry them, and they are a treat. In general,
don't expect that the vegan "beef" will replace your steak or hamburger. Just be prepared to
encounter novelty, and to work with variations/combinations until it tastes good to you.

Also, these vegan "meats" tend to be on the expensive side, but that will probably change as more
people start buying them. The situation has already changed astronomically in the last decade o

Has anyone tried Tesco's Vegetarian bacon it is very reasonably priced and very tastey?. It is great
on a Sunday morning on a roll with a cup of tea.

(Michelle) said:

hi should vegetarians be taking vitamins because they dont get the stuff that meat contains.

Yes. It is very difficult to get enough Vitamin B-12 from a vegan (pure vegetarian) diet.

Vitamin B12 is found in all animal products (liver, muscle flesh, eggs, and dairy products are
sources, in order from richest to poorest sources).

Tsu Dho Nimh

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