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  1. I have the following from Dr Andrew Murrison, Shadow health Minister

    "Thank you for your letter in which you bring Eric Martlew's private members bill to my attention.
    Firstly I can reassure you that as a private members bill it stands very little chance of reaching
    the statute books. Secondly, being a restrictive measure, I and many of my colleagues would look
    very closely at it as there would have to be good evidence to support the burden it imposes.

    Children must be encouraged to engage in healthy pursuits expecially given the poor level of
    fiteness our young people currently have. I would cite the alarming upsurge in obesity as evidence
    of this. Indeed, I suspect that mortality and morbity from unhealthy lifestyles among our young
    exceed injury or death attributable to the non wearing of a safety helmet.

    In short, it would be for the author of the bill to demonstrate a clear and pressing need for the
    compulsory wearing of safety helmets before I would be prepared to support him."

    Although carefully worded to avoid saying "I won't support it" I feel reasonably reassured.

    Peter

  2. Peter Amey said:

    I have the following from Dr Andrew Murrison, Shadow health Minister

    Sounds good enough to me.

    I never got a reply from my local MP, Ben Chapman (wirral west?). From what I've heard of him, he
    seems like another smug ineffectual labour stooge who is unlikely to be getting my vote again.

    James

  3. Peter Amey said:

    I have the following from Dr Andrew Murrison, Shadow health Minister

    After a couple of letters I got his boss and our MP, the Shadow Secretary of State, on board and he
    has conveyed it also to the Shadow Secretary of State for Transportation.

    Tony

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Peter Amey said:

    In short, it would be for the author of the bill to demonstrate a clear and pressing need for the
    compulsory wearing of safety helmets before I would be prepared to support him."

    That seems like a very fair summary from his POV.

    The possible danger in there is if the bill's proponents *do* satisfy him using highly dubious BHIT
    statistics as plain fact.

    --
    Nick Kew

  5. James Annan said:
    Peter Amey said:

    I have the following from Dr Andrew Murrison, Shadow health Minister

    Sounds good enough to me.

    I never got a reply from my local MP, Ben Chapman (wirral west?). From what I've heard of him, he
    seems like another smug ineffectual labour stooge who is unlikely to be getting my vote again.

    James

    He seems to keep a low profile as his website is unavailable too.

    www.ben-chapman.co.uk

    He's obviously not related to Guy Chapman, is he?

    --
    Michael MacClancy Random putdown - "He loves nature in spite of what it did to him." - Forrest
    Tucker www.macclancy.demon.co.uk www.macclancy.co.uk

  6. James Annan said:
    Peter Amey said:

    I have the following from Dr Andrew Murrison, Shadow health Minister

    Sounds good enough to me.

    I never got a reply from my local MP, Ben Chapman (wirral west?). From what I've heard of him, he
    seems like another smug ineffectual labour stooge who is unlikely to be getting my vote again.

    My MP's been silent too. Then again, he's never even acknowledged any of my letters (three over
    about 5 years so far), and on teh one occasion I met him got his foot into his mouth
    astonishingly quickly ("oh, you live there, all teh residents there are in a pointless tizzy
    about xyz, aren't they"😉.

    Anyway, mine's a smug ineffectual tory stooge who doesn't actually need my vote (seats don't get
    much safer).

    regards, Ian SMith
    --
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  7. Michael MacClancy said:


    He seems to keep a low profile as his website is unavailable too.

    www.ben-chapman.co.uk

    He's obviously not related to Guy Chapman, is he?

    Probably is, law of averages and all that. Between them they average to the norm ;-)

    Tony

  8. On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:41:31 +0000, Michael MacClancy
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    not related to Guy Chapman, is he?

    Not as far as I know.

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  9. Just zis Guy said:


    Watch this space...

    OK, I've been sat here watching it for 10mins and nothings happened. What gives?

    Tony ;-)

  10. Tony Raven said:


    Just zis Guy said:


    Watch this space...

    OK, I've been sat here watching it for 10mins and nothings happened. What gives?

    I'm afraid Guy is showing some of P Sm*th's traits ;-)

    John B

  11. On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:27:55 -0000, "Tony Raven"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    OK, I've been sat here watching it for 10mins and nothings happened. What gives?

    I have been analysing some detailed data from the Govt. as a favour for some friends, and it makes
    very interesting reading. I will post more as soon as I am allowed to.

    I have also been reading up on the literature, including the original Thompson, Rivara and
    Thompson study.

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  12. On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:41:56 +0000, Peter Amey
    <[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

    Quoted message said:

    I have the following from Dr Andrew Murrison, Shadow health Minister

    "Thank you for your letter in which you bring Eric Martlew's private members bill to my attention.
    Firstly I can reassure you that as a private members bill it stands very little chance of reaching
    the statute books. Secondly, being a restrictive measure, I and many of my colleagues would look
    very closely at it as there would have to be good evidence to support the burden it imposes.

    Children must be encouraged to engage in healthy pursuits expecially given the poor level of
    fiteness our young people currently have. I would cite the alarming upsurge in obesity as evidence
    of this. Indeed, I suspect that mortality and morbity from unhealthy lifestyles among our young
    exceed injury or death attributable to the non wearing of a safety helmet.

    In short, it would be for the author of the bill to demonstrate a clear and pressing need for the
    compulsory wearing of safety helmets before I would be prepared to support him."

    Although carefully worded to avoid saying "I won't support it" I feel reasonably reassured.

    It really is time I wrote to my MP on this topic. Especially as he's the Minister for Transport.

    Was there ever a final canonical draft of the various pro forma letters to MPs on the topic?

    If so, can someone please re-post, or point me to a web-page?

    Ta.

    Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: gawnsoft.co.srgawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: html.dnsalias.nethtml.dnsalias.net
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  13. Gawnsoft asked:

    Quoted message said:

    Was there ever a final canonical draft of the various pro forma letters to MPs on the topic?

    If so, can someone please re-post, or point me to a web-page?

    You really need to draft your own letter, but you can certainly pick up ideas from other letters.

    I'm surprised Guy hasn't posted the link to his Martlew stuff yet:
    url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/Web/public.nsf/Documents/Martlew_Bil l including links to
    example letters.

    And here's mine: url:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/cycling/040127MP.html

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
    speedy5.freeserve.co.ukdanny
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  14. On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:30:02 -0000, "Danny Colyer"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm surprised Guy hasn't posted the link to his Martlew stuff yet:

    Sorry, miles away :-)

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  15. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:30:02 -0000, "Danny Colyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm surprised Guy hasn't posted the link to his Martlew stuff yet:

    Quoted message said:

    Sorry, miles away :-)

    That's the effect of The Shedde ;-)

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  16. On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:37:19 GMT, Helen Deborah Vecht
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sorry, miles away :-)


    That's the effect of The Shedde ;-)

    Heh! Not entirely. I have been doing some work for Certain People which should prove useful in a
    Certain Context in the not-too-distant.

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

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