Campag clusters???

Hitchy:

Haven't checked with Shimano directly, but several shops told me that they don't sell individual cogs. I was to convert my 12-23 to 11-23. Had to buy a whole cog set. Are you saying that we can mix and match Shimano cog components (by purchasing individual bits)?

Cheers,
Amir.

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Hitchy
G'day all,

a mate has been told, (by his LBS),that in order to change his Chorus 10 cluster from 11-23 to 12-25, he needs to buy a whole new cluster. Can he just buy the individual cogs that he needs?....being a died in the wool Shimano man, I have no clues on Campy stuff. Any help would be appreciated,

cheers,


Hitchy

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Quoted message said:

Haven't checked with Shimano directly, but several shops told me that they don't sell individual
cogs. I was to convert my 12-23 to 11-23.

Had

Quoted message said:

to buy a whole cog set. Are you saying that we can mix and match

Shimano

Quoted message said:

cog components (by purchasing individual bits)?

I think he's talking about Campagnolo not Big S. Can you swap Campag cogs on a cassette?

Check this thread: tinyurl.com2xgttOpen ↗

Long Url Version (I call it LUV ;-)): <google.comgroupsOpen ↗
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hippy

Hi Hippy:

I got the question first time around, except that I have no idea about campies either. I was throwing a new question, because the original post looked as if we can buy individual cogs for Shimano (contrary to what I was told). That's all.

Cheers,
Amir.

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Hippy
"amirm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Haven't checked with Shimano directly, but several shops told me that they don't sell individual
cogs. I was to convert my 12-23 to 11-23.

Had

Quoted message said:

to buy a whole cog set. Are you saying that we can mix and match

Shimano

Quoted message said:

cog components (by purchasing individual bits)?

I think he's talking about Campagnolo not Big S. Can you swap Campag cogs on a cassette?

Check this thread: tinyurl.com2xgttOpen ↗

Long Url Version (I call it LUV ;-)): <google.comgroupsOpen ↗
8&safe=off&threadm=3aeea4 0b.168068750%40netnews.att.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26i
e%3DISO-8859-1%26safe%3Doff%26q%3DCampag%2BChorus%2Bswap%2Bcogs>

hippy

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by amirm
Hi Hippy:

I got the question first time around, except that I have no idea about campies either. I was throwing a new question, because the original post looked as if we can buy individual cogs for Shimano (contrary to what I was told). That's all.

Cheers,
Amir.

G'day Amir,

Its a relatively simple job to change from 11-23 to 12-25 on Shimano. He would just need to buy a 25-23-21 (the top end are stuck together) to replace his 23-21-19. He would probably also need a 19 (you can get those singularly I think) & then drop the 11 at the other end.......relatively cheap & simple operation. With Campy, what he's being told is that he needs to buy the WHOLE cassette (all bloody 10) to achieve the same outcome. The really sad part is they want about $250 for the priviledge vs about $70 for the 4 DA equivilants......I guess what I'm wondering is...is this right??,

cheers,

Hitchy

from
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Individual Campagnolo sprockets are not readily available

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Do you want a cassette combination Shimano doesn't make? We carry many

individual sprockets for >Shimano cassettes, and can provide most sizes. The most economical
approach to custom cassettes is to >buy a stock cassette that has most of the gears you want, then
an additional sprocket or two to substitute for >the un-wanted sizes.

now you just have to find somewhere in oz that has them

Hitchy said:

amirm said:

Hi Hippy: I got the question first time around, except that I have no idea about campies
either. I was throwing a new question, because the original post looked as if we can buy
individual cogs for Shimano (contrary to what I was told). That's all. Cheers, Amir.

Quoted message said:

G'day Amir,

Quoted message said:

Its a relatively simple job to change from 11-23 to 12-25 on Shimano. He would just need to buy a
25-23-21 (the top end are stuck together) to replace his 23-21-19. He would probably also need a
19 (you can get those singularly I think) & then drop the 11 at the other end.......relatively
cheap & simple operation. With Campy, what he's being told is that he needs to buy the WHOLE
cassette (all bloody 10) to achieve the same outcome. The really sad part is they want about $250
for the priviledge vs about $70 for the 4 DA equivilants......I guess what I'm wondering is...is
this right??,

Quoted message said:

cheers,

Quoted message said:

Hitchy

Well I reckon cassettes are all more expensive than they should be, especially 10 speed. But
new road bikes are sold on the promise of the latest thing so somebody has to pay for the
marketing costs.

Incidentally, $250 is around about what a DA cassette costs.

See if you can get Miche cassettes or sprockets. They are compatible with Campag so maybe it will
be cheaper.

He could always go with a Veloce cassette for ~$140. I don't reckon there's much practical
difference between the two. Well, not $100+ difference anyway.

Cheers.

--
Nick

Hitchy said:

G'day all,

a mate has been told, (by his LBS),that in order to change his Chorus 10 cluster from 11-23 to 12-
25, he needs to buy a whole new cluster. Can he just buy the individual cogs that he
needs?....being a died in the wool Shimano man, I have no clues on Campy stuff. Any help would be
appreciated,

He doesn't need to buy a complete cluster. There are charts on the Campag website that show exactly
which cogs and spacers go to make up each cassette.

Briefly, he'll need a new 12, 16-17, 19-21, 23-25 plus new I and L spacers (1 each), plus maybe a
new lockring. The new 12 has ridges to fit with the lockring. In the 11-23 Chorus, the 16 cog is a
single, and the 17-19 and 21-23 cogs are doubles.

The next trick is to find someone who stocks the parts.

Centaur and Veloce cassettes are cheaper, but a bit heavier.

--
Regards. Richard.

Hi Hitchy:

So the morale of the story is that I was ripped off by the mechanics' wrong advice. They said that Shimano won't sell individual cogs. This cost me $250 when I bought a set of 11-23 and a set of 12-27 (both Ultegra). Gotta doublecheck next time.

Cheers,
Amir.

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Hitchy
G'day Amir,

Its a relatively simple job to change from 11-23 to 12-25 on Shimano. He would just need to buy a 25-23-21 (the top end are stuck together) to replace his 23-21-19. He would probably also need a 19 (you can get those singularly I think) & then drop the 11 at the other end.......relatively cheap & simple operation. With Campy, what he's being told is that he needs to buy the WHOLE cassette (all bloody 10) to achieve the same outcome. The really sad part is they want about $250 for the priviledge vs about $70 for the 4 DA equivilants......I guess what I'm wondering is...is this right??,


cheers,

Hitchy

Richard's on the money

the 2 clusters configs are:

11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - {17 - 19} - {21 - 23}
12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - {16 - 17} - {19 - 21} - {23 - 25}

you will, as stated need to change the smallest one to ensure it integrates with the lockring

This is all approx $100US (120Oz)
plus getting your local wood-duck LBS to change it over

you could try cecil walker (his brother owns the Oz campag importing, and bianchi, sella, etc).

or take a look at:

http://www.branfordbike.com/cassette/cog16.html

branford is the best for campy info and comaptability issues. far better than the campag site

All of a sudden a Veloce at Price: $147.00
is looking good!

I'd be very surprised to find somewhere in Australia selling individual campy 10 speed or shimano 10
speed cogs.

Somewhere like Clarence Street Cyclery in the middle of Sydney may, but I doubt any LBS could
afford to do it.

The only other option is buy from OS.

Peter

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Hitchy said:

G'day all,

a mate has been told, (by his LBS),that in order to change his Chorus 10 cluster from 11-23 to
12-25, he needs to buy a whole new cluster. Can he just buy the individual cogs that he
needs?....being a died in the wool Shimano man, I have no clues on Campy stuff. Any help would be
appreciated,

He doesn't need to buy a complete cluster. There are charts on the Campag website that show
exactly which cogs and spacers go to make up each cassette.

Briefly, he'll need a new 12, 16-17, 19-21, 23-25 plus new I and L spacers (1 each), plus maybe a
new lockring. The new 12 has ridges to fit with the lockring. In the 11-23 Chorus, the 16 cog is a
single, and the 17-19 and 21-23 cogs are doubles.

The next trick is to find someone who stocks the parts.

Centaur and Veloce cassettes are cheaper, but a bit heavier.

--
Regards. Richard.

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:33:51 GMT, amirm
<[email hidden]> wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

So the morale of the story is that I was ripped off by the mechanics' wrong advice. They said that
Shimano won't sell individual cogs. This cost me $250 when I bought a set of 11-23 and a set of 12-
27 (both Ultegra). Gotta doublecheck next time.

The story I heard is that Shimano stopped selling individual cogs when they went from Uniglide to
Hyperglide.

--
Regards. Richard.

flyingdutch said:

the 2 clusters configs are:

11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - {17 - 19} - {21 - 23} 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - {16 - 17} - {19 - 21} -
{23 - 25}

you will, as stated need to change the smallest one to ensure it integrates with the lockring

And don't forget the two spacers and the lockring.

Quoted message said:

This is all approx $100US (120Oz) plus getting your local wood-duck LBS to change it over

Get a lockring tool and a chain whip and then it's easy to do it yourself.

Quoted message said:

you could try cecil walker (his brother owns the Oz campag importing, and bianchi, sella, etc).

or take a look at:

branfordbike.comcog16.htmlOpen ↗

branford is the best for campy info and comaptability issues. far better than the campag site

All of a sudden a Veloce at Price: $147.00 is looking good!

--
Regards. Richard.

Richard Sherratt said:

The story I heard is that Shimano stopped selling individual cogs when they went from Uniglide to
Hyperglide.

I'll be needing some Hyperglide sprockets before long, as a couple of my sons have this setup (I use
an internal-gear hub myself).

I notice that sjscycles.comvIndex.htmOpen ↗ has a range of replacements (under
"CASSETTES" / "Hyperglide spares"😉. Hopefully all those ID code letters will make sense when the
time comes (and reading sheldonbrown.comk7.htmlOpen ↗ seems to help here).

John

Hitchy said:

G'day all,

a mate has been told, (by his LBS),that in order to change his Chorus 10 cluster from 11-23 to 12-
25, he needs to buy a whole new cluster. Can he just buy the individual cogs that he
needs?....being a died in the wool Shimano man, I have no clues on Campy stuff. Any help would be
appreciated,

cheers,

Hitchy

With techo questions like this that don't relate to Oz in particular, you'll do better asking on
rec.bicycles.tech. It's amazing what some people know and they are mostly helpful too.

Hope this helps,

&roo