Chain compatibility

S o r n i said:

I know that SRAM makes "road specific" chains; is there any reason to restrict choice to that?
(The original Shimano chain has been fine so far, although I had terrible luck with Big S mtb
chains.)

There's no sucha thing as a "road" or "mountain" chain, those are just terms of marketing hype.

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S o r n i wrote:

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Sheldon:

All your messages are followed by a pithy quote, neatly enclosed in an ascii-art box.

Do you:

a) Type all this by hand.

or

b) Have some kind of .sig utility which does this for you?

I find "a" unlikely, bearing in mind your prolific posting record, but I haven't heard of anything
that does "b".

Please enlighten...

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Tim Cain asked:

Quoted message said:

Sheldon:

All your messages are followed by a pithy quote, neatly enclosed in an ascii-art box.

Do you:

a) Type all this by hand.

or

b) Have some kind of .sig utility which does this for you?

C. I keep a Word file open with all of my quotes, which I have formatted by hand. They're in
alphabetical order by author.

Under each is a series of notations saying when I used each quote on which forum. This keeps me from
repeating myself too often to the same audience.

I simply copy and paste the pre-formatted quote into my message. When possible, I try to select one
that bears some sort of relevance to the message, but can't always manage that.

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Tim Cain <tim_no1@you_know_what_to_cut_timcain.co.uk> wrote:
: b) Have some kind of .sig utility which does this for you?
:
: I find "a" unlikely, bearing in mind your prolific posting record, but I haven't heard of anything
: that does "b".

i wrote a little utility many years back that does this (under UNIX) that works via fifos. you
supply it with a quotefile & a filename to access the quotes & when run it create the fifo (at
filename) if it doesn't exist and runs in the background as a daemon.. when the filename is opened
and read it pulls a random sig from your quotefile. it's otherwise transparent to your mail/news
reader. just supply the filename to whatever program as your .sig file.

if you use unix i can dig it up if you're interested.

i, otoh, lost interest in fancy .sig files.
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:22:07 -0000, "Tim Cain"

tim_no1@you_know_what_to_cut_timcain.co.uk said:

b) Have some kind of .sig utility which does this for you?

Quoted message said:

record, but I haven't heard of anything that does "b".

Back in the days of yore, for use with the local bbs, you could use an offline mail / forum reader
such as Bluewave. Those programs ALL had that built-in, came with a file full of quotes, and allowed
you to add or replace that file. I imagine such must exist for newsreaders, and further, it would
probably be very easy to create a middle-man program between Bluewave and nntp...

snowcave.combluewave.htmlOpen ↗

You would just have to write something that retrieves your nntp messages, logs and re-writes the
headers, and passes them on to Bluewave in the format it expects; then when Bluewave passes them
back, re-format as necessary.

I liked Bluewave. Maybe I'll work on that, someday, when I find some Spare Time (tm)...like I could
ever find that.
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David Reuteler said:

Tim Cain tim_no1@you_know_what_to_cut_timcain.co.uk said:

b) Have some kind of .sig utility which does this for you?

I find "a" unlikely, bearing in mind your prolific posting record, but I haven't heard of
anything that does "b".

i wrote a little utility many years back that does this (under UNIX) that works via fifos. you
supply it with a quotefile & a filename to access the quotes & when run it create the fifo (at
filename) if it doesn't exist and runs in the background as a daemon.. when the filename is opened
and read it pulls a random sig from your quotefile. it's otherwise transparent to your mail/news
reader. just supply the filename to whatever program as your .sig file.

if you use unix i can dig it up if you're interested.

i, otoh, lost interest in fancy .sig files.

There are gobs of sigfile utilities for most email clients and platforms, such as this one I found
with a quick Google search:

vons.free.frVSigGen manual.htmlOpen ↗

It might be a fun programming exercise, though -- especially keeping track of which ones had been
used recently.

Matt O.

Matt O'Toole <[email hidden]> wrote:
: There are gobs of sigfile utilities for most email clients and platforms, such as this one I found
: with a quick Google search:

criminey, i didn't say it was original. i said i had one. besides, i wrote mine years before he did.
;-) should've gotten a patent (no smiley).

: vons.free.frVSigGen manual.htmlOpen ↗
:
: It might be a fun programming exercise, though -- especially keeping track of which ones had been
: used recently.

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sorni-<< I stocked up on (well, bought 3) PC-99 chains a while back, intending to use on my mountain
bike. >><BR><BR> << Now that I've been riding a road bike for 7-8 months, just wondering if I can
use a PC-99 on it when time comes to replace chain. Current setup is full Ultegra. >><BR><BR>

Sure a chain is a chain, matching the 'system', 8s, 9s, 10s...You can use a so called MTB chain on a
road system and vice versa. Remember that an 'XTR' chain is a DA 9s one.

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Matt O'Toole said:

David Reuteler said:

i wrote a little utility many years back that does this (under UNIX) that works via fifos.

There are gobs of sigfile utilities for most email clients and platforms, such as this one I found
with a quick Google search: vons.free.frVSigGen manual.htmlOpen ↗

On a real computer it's a considerably simpler exercise, though, without such abominable kludges as
changing something "every couple of minutes" whether it's needed or not...
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David Damerell <[email hidden]> flcl?

Quoted message said:

I know that SRAM makes "road specific" chains; is there any reason to restrict choice to that?
(The original Shimano chain has been fine so

far,

Quoted message said:

although I had terrible luck with Big S mtb chains.)

As others have noted, there's no difference between a mountain & road chainring (although sometimes
a mountain chainring will will have four more links than a road one). However, I have found there to
be differences in shifting performance between Shimano and just about everything else I've tried,
particularly in the front. The only chain I've found that comes close is the "Z" chain by KMC; the
SRAM chains are way down on my list.

Others will disagree, but it's amazing how many shifting problems our customers have brought in that
have been "fixed" by replacing the chain with a Shimano.

By the way, not all Shimano chains are expensive. The HG53 is a 9-speed chain that runs about $14.

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"S o r n i" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Dumb question, no doubt, but why stop now? 🙂

I stocked up on (well, bought 3) PC-99 chains a while back, intending to

use

Quoted message said:

on my mountain bike.

Now that I've been riding a road bike for 7-8 months, just wondering if I can use a PC-99 on it
when time comes to replace chain. Current setup is full Ultegra.

I know that SRAM makes "road specific" chains; is there any reason to restrict choice to that?
(The original Shimano chain has been fine so

far,

Quoted message said:

although I had terrible luck with Big S mtb chains.)

TIA,

Bill "note to self: go measure current chain for wear" S.

Quoted message said:

As others have noted, there's no difference between a mountain & road chainring

Sorry, meant to say "chain."

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