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  1. ---------------------------------
    | The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
    | Version 3.1, February, 2004 |
    ---------------------------------

    Introduction
    ------------
    New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often puzzled and troubled by the vitriol
    directed at Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Dr. Chung) and want to better understand the reasons for
    the hatred that some folks have for Dr. Chung. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) does provide
    some truthful answers (there is a fake FAQ put out by detractors that is useful only for comparison
    purposes). All answers given herein can be independently verified either via Google or by visiting
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com.

    The FAQ is arranged in typical FAQ form, i.e. a series of questions followed by simple answers. For
    those who don't wish to read the whole FAQ, the following summary is provided.

    Summary
    -------
    Dr. Chung is a well-respected licensed cardiologist, who is board-certified in internal medicine and
    cardiology (cardiovascular medicine). In this capacity, he responds truthfully to medical
    questions on s.m.c. He does this out of sincere altruism when he has spare time outside his
    private cardiology practice, where he sees patients as a cardiologist. If that was all he were,
    there would probably be no controversy.

    The controversy arises from Dr. Chung being a genuine Christian, in particular:

    o He continues to publically profess that Christ is his Lord and Savior.

    o He freely helps people to lose weight in an altruistic Christian fashion
    (heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp).

    o When attacked on the above issues, he turns the other cheek in a Christian manner.

    o When challenged about his faith in Christ, he witnesses steadfastly without hatred.

    o When insulted for his faith in Christ, he openly calls it a blessing.

    o He remains truthful, as a servant of Christ, despite being libeled and defamed
    (heartmdphd.comlibel.asp)..

    o Other Christians have affirmed Dr. Chung's strong faith in Christ.

    The above lists only the highlights of Dr. Chung's Christian behavior on
    D.r.a.. If anything, it understates it. Everything can be verified in the Google archives. He
    witnesses to all at heartmdphd.comhealer.asp.

    People arrive in this group looking for help. Dr. Chung has graciously provided this over several
    years. Dr. Chung consistently demonstrates the breadth of his knowledge and experience. This is
    archived many times over in Google.

    List of Questions Answered
    --------------------------
    1. Who is Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD?
    2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
    3. Aren't Christian discussions covered by the Charter?
    4. So Dr. Chung is Christian... What's the problem with that?
    5. But it's just a little "tag line" in his signature.
    6. But I'm a Christian Too!
    7. Well, why not just ignore his Christian nature?
    8. But isn't it wonderful that Dr. Chung offers this free medical information out of the goodness
    of his heart?
    9. How does a practicing physician find so much time to spend on Usenet?

    10. Won't challenging Dr. Chung drive people away?
    11. Doesn't the "fault" for all those posts lay with those who challenge
    Ds. Chung?
    12. Why do I see so many "ad hominem" attacks?
    13. I'm sick of seeing all this!
    14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
    15. Is discussion of the Two Pound Diet "on topic"?
    16. Who is Mu?
    17. What is Mu's role?
    18. Who is Steve? 19 What is Steve's role? 20 Who is Bob? 21 What is Bob's role?

    19. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
    --------------------------------------
    Dt. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD is a licensed doubly board-certified cardiologist practicing
    cardiovascular medicine in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. His signature contains a link to
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com which is consistent with his posts and qualifications.

    2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
    ----------------------------------
    The purpose of this newsgroup is to establish electronic media for communication between health care
    providers, scientists and other individuals with interest in the cardiovascular field. Such
    communications will provide quick and efficacious means to exchange information and knowledge, and
    offer problems to solutions.

    The sci.med.cardiology newsgroup will welcome participants who are health care providers, trainees,
    researchers, students or recipients with interest in the field of cardiovascular problems."

    (ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/sci/sci.med.cardiology)

    3. Aren't Christian discussions covered by the charter?
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Possibly (heartmdphd.comhealer.asp).

    4. So Dr. Chung is Christian... What's the problem with that?
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Some people are fiercely anti-christian.

    5. But it's just a little "tag line" in his signature, isn't it?
    -------------------------------------------------------
    Yes it is. But it offends those who are anti-christian.

    6. But I'm a Christian too! Should I worry?
    ----------------------------
    No. You have Christ's promise of eternal life and the boundless riches of God's kingdom.

    7. Well, why not just ignore his Christian nature?
    --------------------------------------------------
    Anti-christians are unable to do that.

    8. But isn't it wonderful that Dr. Chung offers this free medical information out of the goodness
    of his heart?
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    God is wonderful.

    9. How does a practicing physician find so much time to spend on Usenet?

    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    God makes time for those whom He blesses.

    10. Won't challenging Dr. Chung drive people away?
    --------------------------------------------------
    Don't concern yourself about the free will of others.

    11. Doesn't the "fault" for all those posts lay with those who challenge
    Du. Chung?
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    God uses anti-christians for His purposes. These posts are according to His will.

    12. Why do I see so many "ad hominem" attacks?
    ----------------------------------------------
    This is how anti-christian folks are identified so they can be culled from His flock.

    13. I'm sick of seeing all this!
    --------------------------------
    Not really a question unless you ask yourself "why?"

    14. What is the Two Pound Diet (TPD) approach?
    -------------------------------
    See: heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp

    15. Is discussion of the Two Pound Diet "on topic"?
    ---------------------------------------------------
    Yes. It cures metabolic syndrome (MetS) which predicts cardiovascular morbidity and mortality.

    16. Who is Mu?
    --------------
    A Christian.

    17. What is Mu's role?
    ----------------------
    To serve God's will and purpose.

    18. Who is Steve?
    ----------------------
    An anti-christian. He authors the untrue version of this FAQ.

    19. What is Steve's role?

    To serve God's will and purpose.

    20. Who is Bob?
    -----------------------
    A food worshipper. He is obsessively drawn to the 2PD approach (heartmdphd.comlibel.asp)

    21. What is Bob's purpose?

    To serve God's will and purpose.

    Comments and/or corrections to this FAQ will be taken under advisement.

  2. Dr. Andrew B. Chung wrote his own boastful FAQ:

    Quoted message said:

    ---------------------------------
    | The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
    | Version 3.1, February, 2004 |
    ---------------------------------

    Chung, setting a new speed record for rewriting the real FAQ, has entered the twilight zone of self-
    promotion and bragging. The whole effect is eerily bizarre to see him characterizing his lying and
    fraudulence as "truthful" and "sincere."

    He says about himself that he, "he turns the other cheek in a Christian manner." Tell that to the
    people that he's viciously smeared, slurred, calumniated and lied about. For more hilarity, Chung
    says that "he witnesses steadfastly without hatred." Right.

    I especially like being bizarrely characterized as a "food worshipper" by the linguistically
    maladroit Chung. Where would he be without names to call people? Poor self-pigeonholed Chung.

    Quoted message said:

    Introduction
    ------------
    New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often puzzled and troubled by the vitriol
    directed at Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Dr. Chung) and want to better understand the reasons for
    the hatred

    Poor baffled Chung thinks that amused contempt = hatred. Poor befuddled Chung thinks that puncturing
    the balloon of his inflated ego=hatred.

    Quoted message said:

    that some folks have for Dr. Chung. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) does provide some
    truthful answers

    Poor duplicitous Chung tries to present these self-serving lies as the truth. It's bad enough that
    they're lies. Based on so many of his posts, it would appear that he actually believes them. Poor
    deluded Chung. Seriously. Deluded Chung.

    Quoted message said:

    (there is a fake FAQ put out by detractors that is useful only for comparison purposes).

    <LOL> The "original" FAQ details many of Chung's unfortunate characteristics and actions. Poor
    deluded Chung thinks that by his pattern of replying to other people's posts and deleting the
    offending portions that he'll be more believable. He has also lately been replying to posts and
    changing the condemnatory words that were originally included to be more favorable to him. Just like
    he does with this FAQ - FAKE.

    The other, Dr. Andrew B. Chung FAQ - REAL is the standard against which this fake one should be
    judged. It's much the same way that a real Michaelangelo is useful for comparison with fakes, like
    this FAQ written with all expected inflation and falsity by Chung, himself, about chung, himself. To
    excuse the actions and writings of Chung, himself.

    Quoted message said:

    All answers given herein can be independently verified

    If "verified" means debunked, and it might well be that in the perverted language of "Chungism,"
    then this is accurate.

    Quoted message said:

    either via Google

    Google is good. Can't "doctor" <slaps knee> the truth like Chung does on his web site. It's utterly
    hilarious that Chung cites *his* web site as a place to "verify" the truth of his boasting.

    Quoted message said:

    or by visiting heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com.

    Does he say which hospitals he has privileges at? Does he explain why he was dismissed from the
    medical care facility in Florida? Didn't think so.

    Bob

  3. "A. B. Chung FAQ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    ---------------------------------
    | The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
    | Version 3.1, February, 2004 |
    ---------------------------------

    Introduction
    ------------
    New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often puzzled and troubled by the vitriol
    directed at Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Dr. Chung) and want to better understand the reasons for
    the hatred that some folks have for Dr. Chung. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) does provide
    some truthful answers (there is a fake FAQ put out by detractors that is useful only for
    comparison purposes). All answers given herein can be independently verified either via Google or
    by visiting heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com.

    The FAQ is arranged in typical FAQ form, i.e. a series of questions followed by simple answers.
    For those who don't wish to read the whole FAQ, the following summary is provided.

    Summary
    -------
    Dr. Chung is a well-respected licensed cardiologist, who is board-certified in internal medicine
    and cardiology (cardiovascular medicine). In this capacity, he responds truthfully to medical
    questions on s.m.c. He does this out of sincere altruism when he has spare time outside his
    private cardiology practice, where he sees patients as a cardiologist. If that was all he
    were, there would probably be no controversy.

    The controversy arises from Dr. Chung being a genuine Christian, in particular:

    o He continues to publically profess that Christ is his Lord and Savior.

    o He freely helps people to lose weight in an altruistic Christian fashion
    (heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp).

    o When attacked on the above issues, he turns the other cheek in a Christian manner.

    o When challenged about his faith in Christ, he witnesses steadfastly without hatred.

    o When insulted for his faith in Christ, he openly calls it a blessing.

    o He remains truthful, as a servant of Christ, despite being libeled and defamed
    (heartmdphd.comlibel.asp)..

    o Other Christians have affirmed Dr. Chung's strong faith in Christ.

    The above lists only the highlights of Dr. Chung's Christian behavior on
    s.m.c.. If anything, it understates it. Everything can be verified in the Google archives. He
    witnesses to all at heartmdphd.comhealer.asp.

    People arrive in this group looking for help. Dr. Chung has graciously provided this over several
    years. Dr. Chung consistently demonstrates the breadth of his knowledge and experience. This is
    archived many times over in Google.

    List of Questions Answered
    --------------------------
    1. Who is Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD?
    2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
    3. Aren't Christian discussions covered by the Charter?
    4. So Dr. Chung is Christian... What's the problem with that?
    5. But it's just a little "tag line" in his signature.
    6. But I'm a Christian Too!
    7. Well, why not just ignore his Christian nature?
    8. But isn't it wonderful that Dr. Chung offers this free medical information out of the goodness
    of his heart?
    9. How does a practicing physician find so much time to spend on Usenet?

    10. Won't challenging Dr. Chung drive people away?
    11. Doesn't the "fault" for all those posts lay with those who challenge
    Dr. Chung?
    12. Why do I see so many "ad hominem" attacks?
    13. I'm sick of seeing all this!
    14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
    15. Is discussion of the Two Pound Diet "on topic"?
    16. Who is Mu?
    17. What is Mu's role?
    18. Who is Steve? 19 What is Steve's role? 20 Who is Bob? 21 What is Bob's role?

    1. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
    --------------------------------------
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD is a licensed doubly board-certified cardiologist practicing
    cardiovascular medicine in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. His signature contains a link to
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com which is consistent with his posts and qualifications.

    2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
    ----------------------------------
    The purpose of this newsgroup is to establish electronic media for communication between health
    care providers, scientists and other individuals with interest in the cardiovascular field. Such
    communications will provide quick and efficacious means to exchange information and knowledge, and
    offer problems to solutions.

    The sci.med.cardiology newsgroup will welcome participants who are health care providers,
    trainees, researchers, students or recipients with interest in the field of cardiovascular
    problems."

    (ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/sci/sci.med.cardiology)

    3. Aren't Christian discussions covered by the charter?
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Possibly (heartmdphd.comhealer.asp).

    4. So Dr. Chung is Christian... What's the problem with that?
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Some people are fiercely anti-christian.

    5. But it's just a little "tag line" in his signature, isn't it?
    -------------------------------------------------------
    Yes it is. But it offends those who are anti-christian.

    6. But I'm a Christian too! Should I worry?
    ----------------------------
    No. You have Christ's promise of eternal life and the boundless riches of God's kingdom.

    7. Well, why not just ignore his Christian nature?
    --------------------------------------------------
    Anti-christians are unable to do that.

    8. But isn't it wonderful that Dr. Chung offers this free medical information out of the goodness
    of his heart?
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    God is wonderful.

    9. How does a practicing physician find so much time to spend on Usenet?

    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    God makes time for those whom He blesses.

    10. Won't challenging Dr. Chung drive people away?
    --------------------------------------------------
    Don't concern yourself about the free will of others.

    11. Doesn't the "fault" for all those posts lay with those who challenge
    Dr. Chung?
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    God uses anti-christians for His purposes. These posts are according to His will.

    12. Why do I see so many "ad hominem" attacks?
    ----------------------------------------------
    This is how anti-christian folks are identified so they can be culled from His flock.

    13. I'm sick of seeing all this!
    --------------------------------
    Not really a question unless you ask yourself "why?"

    14. What is the Two Pound Diet (TPD) approach?
    -------------------------------
    See: heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp

    15. Is discussion of the Two Pound Diet "on topic"?
    ---------------------------------------------------
    Yes. It cures metabolic syndrome (MetS) which predicts cardiovascular morbidity and mortality.

    16. Who is Mu?
    --------------
    A Christian.

    17. What is Mu's role?
    ----------------------
    To serve God's will and purpose.

    18. Who is Steve?
    ----------------------
    An anti-christian. He authors the untrue version of this FAQ.

    19. What is Steve's role?

    To serve God's will and purpose.

    20. Who is Bob?
    -----------------------
    A food worshipper. He is obsessively drawn to the 2PD approach
    (heartmdphd.comlibel.asp)

    21. What is Bob's purpose?

    To serve God's will and purpose.

    Comments and/or corrections to this FAQ will be taken under advisement.

    All praises belong to God.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    --
    Who is the humblest person in the universe?

    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

  4. Bob <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    <hiss>

    Quoted message said:

    ---------------------------------
    | The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
    | Version 3.1, February, 2004 |
    ---------------------------------

    <hiss sputter hiss hiss>

    Quoted message said:

    Introduction
    ------------
    New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often puzzled and troubled by the vitriol
    directed at Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Dr. Chung) and want to better understand the reasons
    for the hatred

    <hiss>

    Quoted message said:

    that some folks have for Dr. Chung. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) does provide some
    truthful answers

    <hiss>

    Quoted message said:

    (there is a fake FAQ put out by detractors that is useful only for comparison purposes).

    <hhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssssssssss>

    Quoted message said:

    All answers
    given herein can be independently verified

    <hiss>

    Quoted message said:

    either via Google

    <hiss>

    Quoted message said:

    or by visiting heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com.

    <hiss>

    Bob

    You poor guy.

    You remain in my prayers, neighbor.

    FYI Note:

    Bob's pathological obsessions are related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which is described
    completely at:

    heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp

    Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate the Usenet discussion(s). His
    participation in this discussion(s) has been voluntary and has been conducted in the spirit of
    community service. His motivation has been entirely altruistic and has arisen from his religious
    beliefs as a Christian. Jesus freely gave of Himself to better the health of folks He touched:

    heartmdphd.comhealer.asp

    From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are vehemently opposed to the 2 pound
    diet approach. They have debated
    Dr. Chung on every perceived weakness of the 2 pound diet approach and have lost the argument
    soundly at every point:

    heartmdphd.comwtlossfaqs.asp

    These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this discussion thread(s).

    However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the argument(s), certain parties have
    redirected their hatred of the 2 pound diet approach toward its author. The rationale appears to be
    "if you can not discredit the message then try to discredit the messenger."

    Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll" is someone who posts under the
    cloak of anonymity messages with no redeeming discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting
    "flame" wars.

    These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the following observations were made:

    (1) Dr. Chung has not been posting anonymously.
    (2) The 2PD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting the discussion(s).
    (a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2PD to achieve near-
    ideal weight.
    (b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their weight becomes near-ideal.
    (c) For (b) see: makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com
    (3) Dr. Chung did not start the discussion(s).
    (4) The 2 pound diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
    (5) Dr. Chung's credentials are real and easily verified on-line (including jpegs of the actual
    diplomas).

    Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have tried to attack Dr. Chung's
    credentials knowing full well that they were attempting to libel him. One notable example is Mr. Bob
    "raging and self-confident" Pastorio:

    heartmdphd.comlibel.asp

    When the full light was cast on Mr. Pastorio's libelous statements, the hateful folks hiding in the
    darkness of anonymity only hissed louder in support of their fallen hero.

    Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either actively or as lurkers can
    easily dismiss the hisses, for what they are, using the on-line third-party resources at:

    heartmdphd.comprofile.asp

    where Dr. Chung's credentials can be verified many times over and libelous claims that credentials
    were bought are easily and summarily debunked.

    Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning the anon posters who continue
    to hiss (ie JC Der Koenig and Mack):

    (6) They are anonymous and thus they expect to have no credibility (or accountability).
    (7) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory characters.
    (8) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver one-sided insults.
    (9) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Dr. Chung by cross-posting.
    (10) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the 2PD or its author.

    and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.

    It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to speed.

    It will remain my pleasure to continue the discussion(s) about the 2PD above the din of hissing from
    the peanut gallery.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    --
    Who is the humblest person in the universe?

    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    What is all this about?

    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

  5. Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

    Bob <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    <hiss>

    <LOL> Nice try from Chung. He's only about as transparent as air. And as substantial.

    Change as much as he wants, the original words are out there. Chung thinks that adding <hiss> when
    he deletes the words of others makes believers of otherwise bright people.

    Poor deluded Chung.
    ---------------------------------

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    | The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
    | Version 3.1, February, 2004 |
    ---------------------------------

    Everybody read this FAKE FAQ. It's hilarious. Chung hangs himself out to the grandest ridicule.
    What a guy.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <hiss sputter hiss hiss>

    <LOL>

    Poor old one-joke-act Chung.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Introduction
    ------------
    New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often puzzled and troubled by the vitriol
    directed at Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Dr. Chung) and want to better understand the reasons for
    the hatred

    <hiss>

    Poor old, not-a-creative-bone-in-his-body Chung.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that some folks have for Dr. Chung. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) does provide some
    truthful answers

    <hiss>

    Poor old nothing-to-say Chung.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (there is a fake FAQ put out by detractors that is useful only for comparison purposes).

    <hhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssssssssss>

    <LOL> Who does Chung think is going to be fooled by this?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    All answers

    Quoted message said:

    given herein can be independently verified

    <LOL> Chung cites his own web site as an "independent" source.

    Quoted message said:

    <hiss>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    either via Google

    <hiss>

    Quoted message said:

    or by visiting heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com.

    <hiss>

    Oh, look. This is Chung's web site. It's certainly where I'd go for anything...

    Uh, no. Nothing.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Bob

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