Diabetes and Stroke

Hi Ann, First off I`ll say I am sorry to here about your daughters stroke. Although stroke is a
complication related to diabetes. Diabetes is not always the culprit behind the stroke. With her
young age and good care and control as you explain it, there could be another cause totally
unrelated. Diabetes often gets the blame for these things when it is not always the case. You did
not mention if there is a family history of strokes, or heart disease. Are there any other under
lying conditions. You did not mention has a cardiologist, or a nuerologist been consulted. That
could be helpful. You could also get some info our support from your local Heart and Stroke
foundation or it`s American equivalent. Hope all works out well for your daughter Mike in Canada

Hello Ann,

Sorry to hear about your daughter's complications.

Although your daughter's diagnosis a year or so ago, she might have been for longer than that.

That's my case. I was diagnosed T2 in May of 2003 but the current level of damage to my body shows
longer than that. It just so happened that my glucose and other factors weren't as high when I had
my regular checkups every 6 month.

I now suffer from diabetic neuropathy (Link follows), a family of nerve disorders caused by
diabetes. Causes plenty of different symptoms and pains that are actually false.

diabetes.niddk.nih.govneuropathiesOpen ↗

There are nerve response test that can be performed to diagnose this.

Although this is not good news either, it could explain your daughter's symptoms. And IMHO far
better than not knowing what's happening to your body.

So many times did I end up in hospitals for chest pains, accompanied by left arm numbness or pain at
left shoulder or on inside of elbow. All those times was first treated as cardiac patient (I also
have other health problems that led doctors in the wrong direction) to finally be put on observation
because blood work and ECG was not showing the same symptoms.

Hoping she can resolve this soon with her current specialists.

Dan from Canada

T2, Dx May 2003 Meds: Metformin 850mg 3/day Glyburide 2.5mg 2/day Regular exercise, Strict Diet

[email hidden] (Ann) wrote in news:bd3bf078.0402072051.47005238 @posting.google.com:

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Hello,

A year ago I wrote to learn about type #1 diabetes because my then 19 year old daughter had just
been diagnosed. She accepted her diagnosis and learned fast, she is very strict in her diet, runs
five to seven miles a day (she was always a runner)sees her endocrinologist, dentist, and G.P.
regularly.

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"Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hello,

A year ago I wrote to learn about type #1 diabetes because my then 19 year old daughter had just
been diagnosed. She accepted her diagnosis and learned fast, she is very strict in her diet, runs
five to seven miles a day (she was always a runner)sees her endocrinologist, dentist, and G.P.
regularly.

The problem is last week she had a stroke, she does not have high blood pressure, she is about 110
lbs., and as I said she is very careful with her diet.

They kept her in the hospital because of the weakness in her left side but so far the CAT scan was
normal as was the MRI. We are waiting for the Echocardiagram results. The only lasting effect is
her left upper lip droops a bit.

A few months before she was diagnosed she and my other daughter were in a car accident, she had
two complaints for months after, a very bad pain in her upper stomach area, under her left breast
and a pain that ran down her left arm. (There was no reflex in this arm for months)The pain in
the upper stomach went away once diagnosed with diabetes and started on insulin but the left arm
still hurt.

Since the stroke she gets sharp pains that run down her arm to her fingers. While we wait for
results and more doctor appointments I was hoping someone might find some of this familiar and
point me in the right direction. As I said she has accepted her diabetes and the changes that
brought to her life but this is scaring her, she is so afraid she will have another stroke and it
will be worse.

I would appreciate any help and advice,

Strokes can come about for many reasons. It might not be related to the diabetes at all. Sounds like
she needs to be seeing a heart specialist.

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Ann, My heart goes out to you, your daughter and your family. What an awful and scary thing
to happen!

As some others have pointed out, the cause may not be diabetes. Is your daughter on any sort of
birth control pills? I have a good friend who had a stroke at 18. It was caused by her birth
control pills.

Also, it sounds like some things are going on due to the accident she and her sister were in. I hope
that her doctors take her accident into consideration while they look into this situation.

It sounds like your daughter is doing everything (and more) that she is supposed to do. I truly hope
that ya'll are able to discern what is going on here. Steph

"Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hello,

A year ago I wrote to learn about type #1 diabetes because my then 19 year old daughter had just
been diagnosed. She accepted her diagnosis and learned fast, she is very strict in her diet, runs
five to seven miles a day (she was always a runner)sees her endocrinologist, dentist, and G.P.
regularly.

The problem is last week she had a stroke, she does not have high blood pressure, she is about 110
lbs., and as I said she is very careful with her diet.

They kept her in the hospital because of the weakness in her left side but so far the CAT scan was
normal as was the MRI. We are waiting for the Echocardiagram results. The only lasting effect is
her left upper lip droops a bit.

A few months before she was diagnosed she and my other daughter were in a car accident, she had
two complaints for months after, a very bad pain in her upper stomach area, under her left breast
and a pain that ran down her left arm. (There was no reflex in this arm for months)The pain in
the upper stomach went away once diagnosed with diabetes and started on insulin but the left arm
still hurt.

Since the stroke she gets sharp pains that run down her arm to her fingers. While we wait for
results and more doctor appointments I was hoping someone might find some of this familiar and
point me in the right direction. As I said she has accepted her diabetes and the changes that
brought to her life but this is scaring her, she is so afraid she will have another stroke and it
will be worse.

I would appreciate any help and advice, Ann

One possibility that I don't see mentioned earlier is that strokes can be provoked by a serious
low. Since your daughter is highly physically active, it is possible that she may provoke a low,
particularly since she is still relatively new to diabetes. Of course, I am not qualified to
give you (or your daughter) medical advice, but she might discuss this possibility with her
medical advisors.

Speaking only for myself,

Joe Durusau

Ann said:

Hello,

A year ago I wrote to learn about type #1 diabetes because my then 19 year old daughter had just
been diagnosed. She accepted her diagnosis and learned fast, she is very strict in her diet, runs
five to seven miles a day (she was always a runner)sees her endocrinologist, dentist, and G.P.
regularly.

The problem is last week she had a stroke, she does not have high blood pressure, she is about 110
lbs., and as I said she is very careful with her diet.

They kept her in the hospital because of the weakness in her left side but so far the CAT scan was
normal as was the MRI. We are waiting for the Echocardiagram results. The only lasting effect is
her left upper lip droops a bit.

A few months before she was diagnosed she and my other daughter were in a car accident, she had
two complaints for months after, a very bad pain in her upper stomach area, under her left breast
and a pain that ran down her left arm. (There was no reflex in this arm for months)The pain in
the upper stomach went away once diagnosed with diabetes and started on insulin but the left arm
still hurt.

Since the stroke she gets sharp pains that run down her arm to her fingers. While we wait for
results and more doctor appointments I was hoping someone might find some of this familiar and
point me in the right direction. As I said she has accepted her diabetes and the changes that
brought to her life but this is scaring her, she is so afraid she will have another stroke and it
will be worse.

I would appreciate any help and advice, Ann

Have you considered a pinched nerve? A friend of mine developed left foot
drop and neuropathies in both feet and lower legs. He had nerve conduction
test done which were normal. He was told that it was a result of his
diabetes. When it got to the point that walking was difficult his family doc
referred him to a Osteopath. After about 3 weeks, he started walking to push
a lawn mower. Then the doc was killed in a auto accident and his case
regressed. He then went to a Chiropractor now 6 months later, he plays low
level basket ball at the "Y", has shoveled snow this winter. He did 6 weeks
Chiropractic treatment and the doc told him to only come back when he
noticed a return of symptoms. I think he's been back twice in 4 months. He
also started Pilate's exercises which he says helps. So, if you daughter's
nerve conduction test are negative maybe you need to try something out of
the box. My friend says give a Osteopath or a Chiropractor 8 - 10 visits. If
you don't see a change then change docs or quit! FWIW
"Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hello,

A year ago I wrote to learn about type #1 diabetes because my then 19 year old daughter had just
been diagnosed. She accepted her diagnosis and learned fast, she is very strict in her diet, runs
five to seven miles a day (she was always a runner)sees her endocrinologist, dentist, and G.P.
regularly.

The problem is last week she had a stroke, she does not have high blood pressure, she is about 110
lbs., and as I said she is very careful with her diet.

They kept her in the hospital because of the weakness in her left side but so far the CAT scan was
normal as was the MRI. We are waiting for the Echocardiagram results. The only lasting effect is
her left upper lip droops a bit.

A few months before she was diagnosed she and my other daughter were in a car accident, she had
two complaints for months after, a very bad pain in her upper stomach area, under her left breast
and a pain that ran down her left arm. (There was no reflex in this arm for months)The pain in
the upper stomach went away once diagnosed with diabetes and started on insulin but the left arm
still hurt.

Since the stroke she gets sharp pains that run down her arm to her fingers. While we wait for
results and more doctor appointments I was hoping someone might find some of this familiar and
point me in the right direction. As I said she has accepted her diabetes and the changes that
brought to her life but this is scaring her, she is so afraid she will have another stroke and it
will be worse.

I would appreciate any help and advice, Ann

"Mike Moffat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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You did not mention if there is a family history of strokes, or heart disease. Are there any other
under lying conditions. You did not mention has a cardiologist, or a nuerologist been consulted.
That could be helpful.

Hi Mike, There is no history of stroke in our family nor heart disease. They did call a neurologist
in to the hospital who ordered a CAT scan which was negative and an MRI which has also come back
negative. She did just have an echocardiagram and we are waiting for those results. That test
however was done by our primary so I will take your advice and call a cardiologist, Thank you.

Daniel Charette <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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I now suffer from diabetic neuropathy (Link follows), a family of nerve disorders caused by
diabetes. Causes plenty of different symptoms and pains that are actually false.

diabetes.niddk.nih.govneuropathiesOpen ↗

Thank you for this, I never heard of it but I will be sure to look into it now. Good Luck
to you, Ann

Joe, Serious lows can provoke a stroke? I've never heard this. (I'm not being flippant, I am really
asking the question.) Steph

"Joe Durusau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

One possibility that I don't see mentioned earlier is that strokes can be provoked by a serious
low. Since your daughter is highly physically active, it is possible that she may provoke a low,
particularly since she is still relatively new to diabetes. Of course, I am not qualified to give
you (or your daughter) medical advice, but she might discuss this possibility with her medical
advisors.

Speaking only for myself,

Joe Durusau

Ann said:

Hello,

A year ago I wrote to learn about type #1 diabetes because my then 19 year old daughter had just
been diagnosed. She accepted her diagnosis and learned fast, she is very strict in her diet,
runs five to seven miles a day (she was always a runner)sees her endocrinologist, dentist, and
G.P. regularly.

The problem is last week she had a stroke, she does not have high blood pressure, she is about
110 lbs., and as I said she is very careful with her diet.

They kept her in the hospital because of the weakness in her left side but so far the CAT scan
was normal as was the MRI. We are waiting for the Echocardiagram results. The only lasting
effect is her left upper lip droops a bit.

A few months before she was diagnosed she and my other daughter were in a car accident, she had
two complaints for months after, a very bad pain in her upper stomach area, under her left
breast and a pain that ran down her left arm. (There was no reflex in this arm for months)The
pain in the upper stomach went away once diagnosed with diabetes and started on insulin but the
left arm still hurt.

Since the stroke she gets sharp pains that run down her arm to her fingers. While we wait for
results and more doctor appointments I was hoping someone might find some of this familiar and
point me in the right direction. As I said she has accepted her diabetes and the changes that
brought to her life but this is scaring her, she is so afraid she will have another stroke and
it will be worse.

I would appreciate any help and advice, Ann

I'm afraid it can happen. My Father died as a result of one such. It's one of the reasons that
hospitals are paranoid about lows, but don't worry much about highs. I must observe that it was a
long time ago, and my Father was proabably on a sulf at the time, which may or may not have made a
difference.

Speaking only for myself,

Joe Durusau

Stephanie Kolban said:

Joe, Serious lows can provoke a stroke? I've never heard this. (I'm not being flippant, I am
really asking the question.) Steph

"Joe Durusau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

One possibility that I don't see mentioned earlier is that strokes can be provoked by a serious
low. Since your daughter is highly physically active, it is possible that she may provoke a low,
particularly since she is still relatively new to diabetes. Of course, I am not qualified to give
you (or your daughter) medical advice, but she might discuss this possibility with her medical
advisors.

Speaking only for myself,

Joe Durusau

Ann said:

Hello,

A year ago I wrote to learn about type #1 diabetes because my then 19 year old daughter had just
been diagnosed. She accepted her diagnosis and learned fast, she is very strict in her diet, runs
five to seven miles a day (she was always a runner)sees her endocrinologist, dentist, and G.P.
regularly.

The problem is last week she had a stroke, she does not have high blood pressure, she is about
110 lbs., and as I said she is very careful with her diet.

They kept her in the hospital because of the weakness in her left side but so far the CAT scan
was normal as was the MRI. We are waiting for the Echocardiagram results. The only lasting effect
is her left upper lip droops a bit.

A few months before she was diagnosed she and my other daughter were in a car accident, she had
two complaints for months after, a very bad pain in her upper stomach area, under her left breast
and a pain that ran down her left arm. (There was no reflex in this arm for months)The pain in
the upper stomach went away once diagnosed with diabetes and started on insulin but the left arm
still hurt.

Since the stroke she gets sharp pains that run down her arm to her fingers. While we wait for
results and more doctor appointments I was hoping someone might find some of this familiar and
point me in the right direction. As I said she has accepted her diabetes and the changes that
brought to her life but this is scaring her, she is so afraid she will have another stroke and it
will be worse.

I would appreciate any help and advice, Ann

Wow. Sorry about your father. Thanks for the information. Steph

"Joe Durusau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I'm afraid it can happen. My Father died as a result of one such. It's one of the reasons that
hospitals are paranoid about lows, but don't worry much about highs. I must observe that it was a
long time ago, and my Father was proabably on a sulf at the time, which may or may not have made a
difference.

Speaking only for myself,

Joe Durusau

Stephanie Kolban said:

Joe, Serious lows can provoke a stroke? I've never heard this. (I'm not

being

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

flippant, I am really asking the question.) Steph

"Joe Durusau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

One possibility that I don't see mentioned earlier is that strokes can be provoked by a serious
low. Since your daughter is highly physically active, it is possible that she may provoke a low,
particularly since she is still relatively new to diabetes. Of course, I am not qualified to
give you (or your daughter) medical advice, but she might discuss this possibility with her
medical advisors.

Speaking only for myself,

Joe Durusau

Ann wrote:

>Hello,
>
>A year ago I wrote to learn about type #1 diabetes because my then 19 year old daughter had
>just been diagnosed. She accepted her diagnosis and learned fast, she is very strict in her
>diet, runs five to seven miles a day (she was always a runner)sees her endocrinologist,
>dentist, and G.P. regularly.
>
>The problem is last week she had a stroke, she does not have high blood pressure, she is about
>110 lbs., and as I said she is very careful with her diet.
>
>They kept her in the hospital because of the weakness in her left side but so far the CAT scan
>was normal as was the MRI. We are waiting for the Echocardiagram results. The only lasting
>effect is her left upper lip droops a bit.
>
>A few months before she was diagnosed she and my other daughter were in a car accident, she had
>two complaints for months after, a very bad pain in her upper stomach area, under her left
>breast and a pain that ran down her left arm. (There was no reflex in this arm for months)The
>pain in the upper stomach went away once diagnosed with diabetes and started on insulin but the
>left arm still hurt.
>
>Since the stroke she gets sharp pains that run down her arm to her fingers. While we wait for
>results and more doctor appointments I was hoping someone might find some of this familiar and
>point me in the right direction. As I said she has accepted her diabetes and the changes that
>brought to her life but this is scaring her, she is so afraid she will have another stroke and
>it will be worse.
>
>I would appreciate any help and advice, Ann

I like Evon's post the best. There are no coincidences. It is probably rare, but it may well be that
the accident, the diabetes, and the stroke are related. If so, there may be a structural glitch that
can be helped by an osteopath or a chiropractor, and I mean an excellent one. Or maybe not. Find the
best one you can by word of mouth and give it a go. Give it a go and pray a lot. Give it a chance
but don't be taken in either. Massage therapy of the right sort could be helpful too. Good luck.

BL

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