Can't Pull Apart Campy Record BB

Eric said:

I have a late 90s record bottom bracket with carbon fiber weave tube, aluminium cups and hollow
spindle. I would like to clean and repack the insides of the cups since I can hear some sand. I
easily removed the left cup by simply pulling but the right cup will not budge. I know that it is
possible to remove the right cup but is it a pulling or turning motion? I tried pulling as hard as
I could, should I use a rubber mallet or WD-40? Looks like there is some crusty grease between the
carbon fiber tube and aluminium cup. My local bike store is of no help (they want me to buy a new
one). Thanks for any help. Eric

Something has come back to my mind. I have seen a used Colnago C40 frame, otherwise in great shape,
with a repaired bottom bracket housing. I can't refrain from suspecting that somebody had to
brutalise it in order to remove the cups.

Be careful ...

Sergio Pisa

Eric said:

I have a late 90s record bottom bracket with carbon fiber weave tube, aluminium cups and hollow
spindle. I would like to clean and repack the insides of the cups since I can hear some sand. I
easily removed the left cup by simply pulling but the right cup will not budge.

Sometimes I think they're called "fixed cups" because they frequently affix themselves, permanently,
to your BB shell. In that case, with smallish fingers, you can still remove everything but that cup,
clean out the cup with a rag and/or screwdriver, and regrease and repack it without removing the
cup. This is probably your best bet.

Recently, i destroyed a front derailleur cage because i insisted on breaking it down into all its
component pieces. I later regretted this as it wasn't absolutely 100% necessary to accomplish what i
needed to do. finesse this one !

- Don Gillies San Diego, CA

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Quoted message said:

I have a late 90s record bottom bracket with carbon fiber weave tube, aluminium cups and hollow
spindle. I would like to clean and repack the insides of the cups since I can hear some sand. I
easily removed the left cup by simply pulling but the right cup will not budge. I know that it is
possible to remove the right cup but is it a pulling or turning motion? I tried pulling as hard as
I could, should I use a rubber mallet or WD-40? Looks like there is some crusty grease between the
carbon fiber tube and aluminium cup. My local bike store is of no help (they want me to buy a new
one). Thanks for any help. Eric

Eric, I think you need to clarify things for me and the other posters. Are you saying that you've
removed the bottom bracket cartridge from the bike, and now you're trying to remove the center
spacer tube between the cups?

There's an exploded view in campagnolo.comspares98 A.pdfOpen ↗ ... page 13.

Jeff

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Quoted message said:

I have a late 90s record bottom bracket with carbon fiber weave tube, aluminium cups and hollow
spindle. I would like to clean and repack the insides of the cups since I can hear some sand. I
easily removed the left cup by simply pulling but the right cup will not budge. I know that it is
possible to remove the right cup but is it a pulling or turning motion? I tried pulling as hard as
I could, should I use a rubber mallet or WD-40?

I have removed these cups myself. On a new bottom bracket they more or less just slides off. I would
place the bottom bracket in a vice with just the collar of the right cup being held back by the vise
(DON'T tightend it on the threads!!). Hold it by left side part of the spindle and hit the spindle
in the right side gentley with a rubber mallet while turning it - it has to come off in a straight
line - be careful not to jam it.Increse the force slightly until the parts come apart.

Regards Ove Simonsen

marcotte-<< I would like to clean and repack the insides of the cups since I can hear some sand. I
easily removed the left cup by simply pulling but the right cup will not budge. >><BR><BR>

Put the lips of the cup onto a vice and tap gently the spindle end...

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servadio-<< I have seen a used Colnago C40 frame, otherwise in great shape, with a repaired bottom
bracket housing. I can't refrain from suspecting that somebody had to brutalise it in order to
remove the cups >><BR><BR>

I broke the aluminum BB shell loose from the frameset when removing a properly installed Record BB
from a C-40...In spite of it being 11 months old, Colnago did not warranty it, cost the gent $600 to
repair...he is/was not a happy cyclist..we have since dropped Colnago for this and other 'issues'.

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In article said:

I have a late 90s record bottom bracket with carbon fiber weave tube, aluminium cups and hollow
spindle. I would like to clean and repack the insides of the cups since I can hear some sand. I
easily removed the left cup by simply pulling but the right cup will not budge. I know that it is
possible to remove the right cup but is it a pulling or turning motion? I tried pulling as hard as
I could, should I use a rubber mallet or WD-40? Looks like there is some crusty grease between the
carbon fiber tube and aluminium cup. My local bike store is of no help (they want me to buy a new
one). Thanks for any help. Eric

I haven't done it with that Record BB, but I have removed the fixed cup from other Campy BB's by
sliding it into a 1-1/8" crown race hammer and then tapping on the spindle. It does a better job
than a vise.

--Paul

Thanks everyone. Yes, the BB was off the bike but could not remove the right cup from the BB. I
wasn't even sure if it came off because my Ultegra BB only has a single removable cup/thread. I did
not have a vice but I wedged it between two even pieces of wood (the lip of the cup sitting on the
wood) and gently taped the spindle with rubber mallet and it gently came off (luckily it wasn't the
left cup since it doesn't have a lip). The BB was so rough with grime that 2 bike stores told me
that it was beyond repair. But after cleaning out the accumulated dirt from 1998 to present and
repacking with grease, the BB is smooth again. Not perfect but quite good and not worth replacing
just yet. Thanks. Eric

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Quoted message said:

I have a late 90s record bottom bracket with carbon fiber weave tube, aluminium cups and hollow
spindle. I would like to clean and repack the insides of the cups since I can hear some sand. I
easily removed the left cup by simply pulling but the right cup will not budge. I know that it is
possible to remove the right cup but is it a pulling or turning motion? I tried pulling as hard as
I could, should I use a rubber mallet or WD-40? Looks like there is some crusty grease between the
carbon fiber tube and aluminium cup. My local bike store is of no help (they want me to buy a

new

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one). Thanks for any help. Eric

On 30 Oct 2003 14:10:19 GMT, [email hidden] (Qui si parla Campagnolo)

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I broke the aluminum BB shell loose from the frameset when removing a properly installed Record BB
from a C-40...In spite of it being 11 months old, Colnago did not warranty it, cost the gent $600
to repair...he is/was not a happy cyclist..we have since dropped Colnago for this and other
'issues'.

You broke it and it cost him? Strange arrangement, that.

Jasper

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(Qui si parla Campagnolo) said:

I broke the aluminum BB shell loose from the frameset when removing a properly installed Record
BB from a C-40...In spite of it being 11 months old, Colnago did not warranty it, cost the gent
$600 to repair...he is/was not a happy cyclist..we have since dropped Colnago for this and other
'issues'.

You broke it and it cost him? Strange arrangement, that.

Jasper

Dear Jasper,

If the customer wanted something done that required removing the part and if this part failed while
being removed in a normal fashion, why should Peter be expected to pay for it?

That is, what did Peter do wrong? If parts are so corroded or defective that they cannot survive
disassembly, they're bad before the mechanic gets his hands on them--and the only way to find out
is to try.

Do you think that the same part would not have broken if removed by a different mechanic?

Carl Fogel

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(Qui si parla Campagnolo) said:

I broke the aluminum BB shell loose from the frameset when removing a properly installed Record
BB from a C-40...In spite of it being 11 months old, Colnago did not warranty it, cost the gent
$600 to repair...he is/was not a happy cyclist..we have since dropped Colnago for this and other
'issues'.

You broke it and it cost him? Strange arrangement, that.

If the customer wanted something done that required removing the part and if this part failed while
being removed in a normal fashion, why should Peter be expected to pay for it?

It's either an issue known in advance or just plain bad luck. If it's the former, Peter should have
told the customer ahead of time there could be a problem (which, come to think of it, he may have
done), if it's the latter, then it should be covered by the shop. If someone steals the bike while
it's in a shop's custody or another client accidentally tips it over, the shop could very easily
still not be negligent while being responsible.

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That is, what did Peter do wrong? If parts are so corroded or defective that they cannot survive
disassembly, they're bad before the mechanic gets his hands on them--and the only way to find out
is to try.

The part breaking, no. [censored] happens. The frame breaking, yes, that's a serious issue. Iff the frame
was purchased from and built up and maintained by Peter, then he should have replaced it under
warranty. Whether or not Colnago would is neither here nor there, the customer has a contract with
the shop, not with Colnago.

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Do you think that the same part would not have broken if removed by a different mechanic?

There's no way to find out, is there? But it's not about the part.

Jasper

This is pure sophistry in search of a brand now toy at no expense.
--

Bonne route,

Sandy Paris FR

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>I broke the aluminum BB shell loose from the frameset when removing a

properly

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>installed Record BB from a C-40...In spite of it being 11 months old,

Colnago

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>did not warranty it, cost the gent $600 to repair...he is/was not a

happy

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>cyclist..we have since dropped Colnago for this and other 'issues'.

You broke it and it cost him? Strange arrangement, that.

If the customer wanted something done that required removing the part and if this part failed
while being removed in a normal fashion, why should Peter be expected to pay for it?

It's either an issue known in advance or just plain bad luck. If it's the former, Peter should
have told the customer ahead of time there could be a problem (which, come to think of it, he may
have done), if it's the latter, then it should be covered by the shop. If someone steals the bike
while it's in a shop's custody or another client accidentally tips it over, the shop could very
easily still not be negligent while being responsible.

Quoted message said:

That is, what did Peter do wrong? If parts are so corroded or defective that they cannot survive
disassembly, they're bad before the mechanic gets his hands on them--and the only way to find out
is to try.

The part breaking, no. [censored] happens. The frame breaking, yes, that's a serious issue. Iff the
frame was purchased from and built up and maintained by Peter, then he should have replaced it
under warranty. Whether or not Colnago would is neither here nor there, the customer has a
contract with the shop, not with Colnago.

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Do you think that the same part would not have broken if removed by a different mechanic?

There's no way to find out, is there? But it's not about the part.

Jasper

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... A BB shell should not break loose from this very overpriced and poorly made frameset. ..>

A recent interview with Eddy Merckx at cyclingnews.com ... Merckx said Colnago whined about the
cheap, poorly made carbon [censored] from Asian. I wonder what he means by that (not that I have any
personal experience with Taiwanese carbon frames).

This is interesting since its been "rumoured" that supposedly some of Colnago's frames and his
carbon cranks are made in Taiwan. I don't know where Colnago carbon cranks are really made, but they
don't look too durable here:

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Then again, they're *on sale*, so if you want one hurry...: cbike.comcolnago parts.htmOpen ↗

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I remember seeing a Pinarello Dogma with Record 10 retailing for $9,000 (current issue of
Bicycling mag?). Total outrage.

If you think that's outrageous, take a look at the Pinarello Dogma EGO (NOTE - you better be sitting
down!) which "retails" here at over $16,000, ouch!:
competitivecyclist.comCCYOpen ↗

bfd said:

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I remember seeing a Pinarello Dogma with Record 10 retailing for $9,000 (current issue of
Bicycling mag?). Total outrage.

If you think that's outrageous, take a look at the Pinarello Dogma EGO (NOTE - you better be
sitting down!) which "retails" here at over $16,000, ouch!:
competitivecyclist.comCCYOpen ↗

For my money CF material for a bike frame is still the best.

Kenny Lee

Terry Rudd said:

I have removed a lot of bottom brackets, many rusted in. It is my experience and opinion that the
splines on that Campy bottom bracket should have sheared long before the bottom bracket failed. The
owner of the Colnago should be grateful Peter found the problem in the shop rather than said owner
finding it flying down Boulder Canyon at 45 MPH and having it fail then!

Colnago should have warranteed the frame, not Peter.

*If* the customer bought the frame from Peter, Peter should have warranteed the frame *regardless*
of what Colnago did. The customer doesn't need to know or care who made something and whether they
think they did something wrong, his business is with the retailer.

Jasper