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  1. Please excuse the convoluted prose, but I've been re-working a question for a day or so and my
    attempt is getting more and more tangled; figured I'd better get it out before the tricycle tipped
    over (visualizing a skit in "Laugh-In" , involving someone in yellow raingear on an undersized
    tricycle).

    Given the following: I can make a sauce independent from my current cooking effort by making and
    then reducing a stock. I can make a gravy by deglazing/reducing/thickening the pan-drippings from
    what I'm currently cooking.

    I guess the question should be "when is it appropriate to use a sauce vice a gravy"? Yes, the answer
    could be "whenever you feel like it", but there is something missing from that answer. What does a
    sauce give me that a gravy does/can not? Is it more of a question of the availability of pan-
    drippings? Thanks in advance - Mike

  2. "Michael Horowitz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Please excuse the convoluted prose, but I've been re-working a question for a day or so and my
    attempt is getting more and more tangled; figured I'd better get it out before the tricycle tipped
    over (visualizing a skit in "Laugh-In" , involving someone in yellow raingear on an undersized
    tricycle).

    Given the following: I can make a sauce independent from my current cooking effort by making and
    then reducing a stock. I can make a gravy by deglazing/reducing/thickening the pan-drippings from
    what I'm currently cooking.

    I guess the question should be "when is it appropriate to use a sauce vice a gravy"? Yes, the
    answer could be "whenever you feel like it", but there is something missing from that answer. What
    does a sauce give me that a gravy does/can not? Is it more of a question of the availability of
    pan-drippings? Thanks in advance - Mike

    I think you are giving too much weight to the distinction. I doubt you would find any real
    difference between the "real" meanings of the words (whatever that means!). For example, some people
    refer to tomato sauce (as you put on pasta) as gravy, but to me that is definitely a sauce. I think
    of sauce as a large category that includes essentially any liquid that you put on food to make it
    taste better. You have hot sauce, chocolate sauce, etc etc. I think of gravy as a subcategory of
    sauce that is usually meat-related.

    --
    Peter Aitken

    Remove the [censored] from my email address before using.

  3. "Michael Horowitz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Please excuse the convoluted prose, but I've been re-working a question for a day or so and my
    attempt is getting more and more tangled; figured I'd better get it out before the tricycle tipped
    over (visualizing a skit in "Laugh-In" , involving someone in yellow raingear on an undersized
    tricycle).

    Given the following: I can make a sauce independent from my current cooking effort by making and
    then reducing a stock. I can make a gravy by deglazing/reducing/thickening the pan-drippings from
    what I'm currently cooking.

    I guess the question should be "when is it appropriate to use a sauce vice a gravy"? Yes, the
    answer could be "whenever you feel like it", but there is something missing from that answer. What
    does a sauce give me that a gravy does/can not? Is it more of a question of the availability of
    pan-drippings? Thanks in advance - Mike

    There's a lengthy discussion of gravy in The Oxford Companion to Food which includes the following:

    "Should gravy be classified as a kind of sauce? Simon (1983) thought not; gravy was distinguished
    from sauce by being 'made in the same pan in which meat or fish has been cooked, and almost, if not
    entirely from the juices extracted during cooking", but thickening with flour or egg yolks made it a
    sauce and no longer a gravy."

    I must say I'd not thought of a "sauce" made in the pan in which one has cooked fish by adding, say,
    a little butter and lemon juice as a gravy, but why not. Anyway if one goes with this definition it
    seems to me that the best accompaniment for meat (and fish I suppose) is indeed gravy, provided of
    course that the meat has been cooked in such a way as to produce the makings.

  4. "Michael Horowitz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Please excuse the convoluted prose, but I've been re-working a question for a day or so and my
    attempt is getting more and more tangled; figured I'd better get it out before the tricycle tipped
    over (visualizing a skit in "Laugh-In" , involving someone in yellow raingear on an undersized
    tricycle).

    Given the following: I can make a sauce independent from my current cooking effort by making and
    then reducing a stock. I can make a gravy by deglazing/reducing/thickening the pan-drippings from
    what I'm currently cooking.

    I guess the question should be "when is it appropriate to use a sauce vice a gravy"? Yes, the
    answer could be "whenever you feel like it", but there is something missing from that answer. What
    does a sauce give me that a gravy does/can not? Is it more of a question of the availability of
    pan-drippings? Thanks in advance - Mike

    Hmmm...

    IMHO obviously a gravy is made from the main food being prepared i.e.. a turkey gravy made from the
    drippings. A sauce is made separate from and used to enhance the flavor of an item being cooked. As
    example the sauce made from the pan fond of a piece of veal and some marsala wine becomes a marsala
    sauce for the veal.. A butter sauce for lobster. A Newberg sauce for shellfish. The main ingredient
    if the sauce is not the same as the main food being served.

    Dimitri

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Michael Horowitz) said:

    Please excuse the convoluted prose, but I've been re-working a question for a day or so and my
    attempt is getting more and more tangled; figured I'd better get it out before the tricycle tipped
    over (visualizing a skit in "Laugh-In" , involving someone in yellow raingear on an undersized
    tricycle).

    That'd be Arte Johnson. (You're welcome.)
    --
    -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> updated 1-31-04 A good friend will come and bail you out of jail; a
    true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn,that was fun!"

  6. at Wed, 04 Feb 2004 13:32:54 GMT in
    <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    (Michael Horowitz) wrote :

    ...

    Quoted message said:


    I guess the question should be "when is it appropriate to use a sauce vice a gravy"? Yes, the
    answer could be "whenever you feel like it", but there is something missing from that answer. What
    does a sauce give me that a gravy does/can not? ...

    A sauce gives you the option of a contrasting flavour. If, for instance, you wanted to contrast the
    flavour of baked pork chops, you could use a tomato sauce. You can also, of course, make a matching
    flavour, if you use a sauce made essentially of the same ingredients as that which the sauce is
    going to top.

    A gravy lets the match in flavours be very accurate. Obviously, if you're using the very same items
    that you wanted to top to act as the topping, the flavours are going to be very close, closer than
    what you could achieve in a sauce made separately.

    Additionally, a gravy will, typically, have as its base caramelised juices combined with a fair
    amount of cooked fat. This is a type of flavour base that it's difficult and impractical to achieve
    in other sauce-making techniques, so even if you decided to make a separate "sauce" with some other
    caramelised juices and cooked fat, the odds are, it'd be a gravy of the thing that you used to get
    those other caramelised juices and cooked fat in the first place.

    Meanwhile, because of the same reasons, you can make a sauce that's relatively light and thin, an
    effect difficult to achieve with a gravy, simply because of all that fat. For instance, if the
    thought of goose, a rich, fatty bird, with goose gravy seemed a little overfacing, you could use
    something like a currant sauce to cut through the heaviness of the bird. Here again is an example
    of contrast.

    So if you want something rich and complementary, use a gravy. If you prefer something light or
    contrasting, go for a sauce.

    --
    Alex Rast [email hidden] (remove d., .7, not, and .NOSPAM to reply)

  7. Michael Horowitz said:

    I guess the question should be "when is it appropriate to use a sauce vice a gravy"? Yes, the
    answer could be "whenever you feel like it", but there is something missing from that answer. What
    does a sauce give me that a gravy does/can not? Is it more of a question of the availability of
    pan-drippings? Thanks in advance - Mike

    When you want a sauce, use one. When you want a gravy, use a gravy. Its up to you. You are looking
    at it from the wrong perspective. A sauce is usually a tomato based product. A gravy is typically
    meat based. So a sauce gives you the flavor of tomatoes and a gravy gives you the flavor of some
    type of meat such as chicken, beef, pork, or turkey. Of course, there's some inconsistency in
    terminology because many Italians refer to tomato sauce as a gravy.

    So the question of which one to use depends on what you're making and what you're in the mood to
    have with your meal.

  8. Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    That'd be Arte Johnson. (You're welcome.)

    You know you just dated yourself, right? - Mike

  9. Quoted message said:
    Michael Horowitz said:

    I guess the question should be "when is it appropriate to use a sauce vice a gravy"? Yes, the
    answer could be "whenever you feel like it", but there is something missing from that answer.
    What does a sauce give me that a gravy does/can not? Is it more of a question of the availability
    of pan-drippings? Thanks in advance - Mike

    When you want a sauce, use one. When you want a gravy, use a gravy. Its up to you. You are looking
    at it from the wrong perspective. A sauce is usually a tomato based product. A gravy is typically
    meat based. So a sauce gives you the flavor of tomatoes and a gravy gives you the flavor of some
    type of meat such as chicken, beef, pork, or turkey. Of course, there's some inconsistency in
    terminology because many Italians refer to tomato sauce as a gravy.

    So the question of which one to use depends on what you're making and what you're in the mood to
    have with your meal.

    Good reply; now I just have to begin imagining what things might taste like together..

  10. Michael Horowitz said:

    Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    That'd be Arte Johnson. (You're welcome.)

    You know you just dated yourself, right? - Mike

    Ahhhh yesss... vvvverrrrrrrry interesting! But schtupid. <g

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Michael Horowitz) said:

    Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    That'd be Arte Johnson. (You're welcome.)

    You know you just dated yourself, right? - Mike

    Anyone who cares knows how old I am. (I'll be 59 on the anniversary of the date that General George
    Armtrong Custer got his last haircut at The Little Bighorn. ) I think *you're* the one who dated
    himself. "-)
    --
    -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> updated 1-31-04 A good friend will come and bail you out of jail; a
    true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn,that was fun!"

  12. Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Michael

    Horowitz) said:

    Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    That'd be Arte Johnson. (You're welcome.)

    You know you just dated yourself, right? - Mike

    Anyone who cares knows how old I am. (I'll be 59 on the anniversary of the date that General
    George Armtrong Custer got his last haircut at The Little Bighorn. ) I think *you're* the one who
    dated himself. "-)

    You mean the one where his aide said "come on George, relax! There aren't any indians out
    there!" ? ;-)

  13. Steve Calvin said:
    Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Michael

    Horowitz) said:

    Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    >That'd be Arte Johnson. (You're welcome.)

    You know you just dated yourself, right? - Mike

    Anyone who cares knows how old I am. (I'll be 59 on the anniversary of the date that General
    George Armtrong Custer got his last haircut at The Little Bighorn. ) I think *you're* the one who
    dated himself. "-)

    You mean the one where his aide said "come on George, relax! There aren't any indians out
    there!" ? ;-)

    You know what his last words were, right? "Will you look at all those Indians?" - Mike

  14. Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Michael

    Horowitz) said:

    Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    That'd be Arte Johnson. (You're welcome.)

    You know you just dated yourself, right? - Mike

    Anyone who cares knows how old I am. (I'll be 59 on the anniversary of the date that General
    George Armtrong Custer got his last haircut at The Little Bighorn. ) I think *you're* the one who
    dated himself. "-)

    Hey, I'm "only" 40 and I know who Arte Johnson is! So "dating" oneself by the Laugh-in reference
    covers a very wide territory!

    Sock it to me, sock it to me, sock it to me. Go look THAT up in your Funk and Wagnalls! And that's
    the truth....Pfflllllt!

  15. Sheryl said:

    Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<barbschaller-
    [email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Michael

    Horowitz) said:

    Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >
    > That'd be Arte Johnson. (You're welcome.)

    You know you just dated yourself, right? - Mike

    Anyone who cares knows how old I am. (I'll be 59 on the anniversary of the date that General
    George Armtrong Custer got his last haircut at The Little Bighorn. ) I think *you're* the one who
    dated himself. "-)

    Hey, I'm "only" 40 and I know who Arte Johnson is! So "dating" oneself by the Laugh-in reference
    covers a very wide territory!

    Sock it to me, sock it to me, sock it to me. Go look THAT up in your Funk and Wagnalls! And that's
    the truth....Pfflllllt!

    You bet your bippy!

    ---jkb

    --
    "Bam!"

    -- Bam-Bam Rubble

  16. Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Michael

    Horowitz) said:

    Melba's Jammin' <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    That'd be Arte Johnson. (You're welcome.)

    You know you just dated yourself, right? - Mike

    Anyone who cares knows how old I am. (I'll be 59 on the anniversary of the date that General George
    Armtrong Custer got his last haircut at The Little Bighorn. ) I think *you're* the one who dated
    himself. "-)

    it ain't possible for someone who has tattooed teeth to be old.

    your pal, blake

  17. Quoted message said:
    Michael Horowitz said:

    I guess the question should be "when is it appropriate to use a sauce vice a gravy"?

    Quoted message said:

    When you want a sauce, use one. When you want a gravy, use a gravy. Its up to you. You are looking
    at it from the wrong perspective. A sauce is usually a tomato based product.

    ?? Says who? There are bezillions (I counted) of sauces that have nothing to do with tomato.
    'Gravy', in my experience, involves the pan-juices of a meat adventure, thickened with a starch of
    some sort, and usually encorporating additional seasonings/ingredients. Gravy is a sauce, 'though
    many sauces are not gravies. A sauce is something served over, under, or in conjunction with another
    food thing. An enhancement. Bechamel, beurre blanc, worcestshire, A1, chocolate, soy, newburg,
    veloute, etc., etc.

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