supplements

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What are some good energy supplements, and why?

A well balanced diet should do it. Why? It is safe and effective.

Anything with a high content of sugars or fats. Anth

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What are some good energy supplements, and why?

Sadly you can not get all your nutrition from your daily diet! In June 2002 the Journal of American
Medical Association stated " We recomend every adult take a multi-vitamin daily, as you can no
longer get adequate nutrition from your diet" ..... You can get "Enough to prevent Deficiency, but
not enough to prevent Disease"

Isn't that what we all want - to Prevent Disease.

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What are some good energy supplements, and why?

A product called CordyMax, clinically proven in research studies to boost stamina and increase your
VO2 max (oxygen usage) is a good product. Another is Cortitrol, a product that helps reduce the
amount of the hormone Cortisol that is released in your body, this hormone is a key factor in making
you tired, fat and many other health related problems.

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Sadly you can not get all your nutrition from your daily diet! In June

2002

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the Journal of American Medical Association stated " We recomend every

adult

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take a multi-vitamin daily, as you can no longer get adequate nutrition

from

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your diet" ..... You can get "Enough to prevent Deficiency, but not enough to prevent Disease"

Can you be more specific? Can you reference the opriginal article with a URL.

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Isn't that what we all want - to Prevent Disease.

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What are some good energy supplements, and why?

A product called CordyMax, clinically proven in research studies to boost stamina and increase
your VO2 max (oxygen usage) is a good product.

Strangely, Medline does not have a reference for those studies in humans. Can you post a citation
wherein they are published in a peer reviewed journal.

However, one of the aniumal studies says:

CONCLUSION: We conclude that CordyMax Cs-4 may have potential beneficial effects by maintaining whole-
body glucose disposal with a less pronounced increase in insulin secretion after a carbohydrate
challenge, however, ***its effects on endurance performance remain questionable.****

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Another

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is Cortitrol,

Again, strangely, there are no stucies that even mention this chemical.

a product that helps reduce the amount of the hormone Cortisol

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that is released in your body, this hormone is a key factor in making you tired, fat and many
other health related problems.

You forgot the word from your sponsor.

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gh said:

Sadly you can not get all your nutrition from your daily diet! In June 2002 the Journal of American
Medical Association stated " We recomend every adult take a multi-vitamin daily, as you can no
longer get adequate nutrition from your diet" ..... You can get "Enough to prevent Deficiency, but
not enough to prevent Disease"

Isn't that what we all want - to Prevent Disease.

Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the likes of you.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Can you be more specific? Can you reference the opriginal article with a URL.

JAMA, June 19, 2002, Vol 287, No. 23 ; article 1 page 3116 , article 2 page 3127

www.jama.com

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Strangely, Medline does not have a reference for those studies in humans. Can you post a citation
wherein they are published in a peer reviewed journal.

Medline is not always accurate and up to date.

Presented at the 46th annual meeting of The American College of Sports Medicine ..CordyMax Cs-4 ..
increase aerobic capacity in healthy elderly humans.... Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise 1999
(supp);31(5);S174.

Another study done showing improved performance in endurance-conditioned athletes ( Navy Seals) in
Encinitas, California, .....Medicine & Science in Sports and Exercise 2001;33:S164.

The Healthcare Professional Product Guide I read lists 31 peer reviewed articles if you are
interested

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{Cue Jan to say that this is from evil organized medicine. Please repost

so

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she can get her cue.]

Don't know what you intended by that statement? Please clarify so I can address it.

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is Cortitrol, > Again, strangely, there are no stucies that even

mention this chemical.

You may only know it as Cortisone and Hydrocortisone, but in the medical community Cortisol is a
Steriod Hormone produced in the adrenal gland in response to stress.

"the Adrenal Hormone "Cortisol" and stress have been studied for over fifty years"..this is a
paraphrase of the Forward in the book ..The Cortisol Connection, Why stress makes you fat and ruins
your health, By Shawn Talbott, PhD. This book was written for the lay person to be able to
understand.

I can list 100's of studies; Nutrition. 1997 sep;(9);795-803, Journal Endocrinol Invest. 1999 Jun;22(6);465-
71,Int Journal Sports Med. 1999 May;20(4):258-62, Journal Behavioral Med. 1994 Dec;17(6):605-16. and
many many more ....or you can go to www.cortisolconnection.com and ask specific questions.

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You forgot the word from your sponsor.

I again don't know what you "intended" to infer by this statement, but if you would like to clarify
your intent I would be happy to address it.

As you can see this information is all based on scientific research.

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Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the likes of you.

I'm sorry to have offended you David, I thought this was a sincere question asking for fact based
information. Please advise as to how this in any way could be construed as spam.

And as far as "the likes of me", would LOVE to know what that is supposed to mean!

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-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

If you mean that in your Opinion, this was spam, than your opinions are not correct.

" Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves for they shall never cease to be amused." , "Show me
a completely satisfied man, and I'll show you a failure." - Thomas Edison

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"Mark ProbertFebruary 3, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote

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message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Can you be more specific? Can you reference the opriginal article with a URL.

JAMA, June 19, 2002, Vol 287, No. 23 ; article 1 page 3116 , article 2

page

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3127

www.jama.com

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Strangely, Medline does not have a reference for those studies in

humans.

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Can you post a citation wherein they are published in a peer reviewed journal.

Medline is not always accurate and up to date.

And you post a citation from 1999....and 2001....

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Presented at the 46th annual meeting of The American College of Sports Medicine ..CordyMax Cs-4
.. increase aerobic capacity in healthy elderly humans.... Medicine & Science in Sports &
Exercise 1999

(supp);31(5);S174.

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Another study done showing improved performance in endurance-conditioned athletes ( Navy Seals) in
Encinitas, California, .....Medicine & Science

in

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Sports and Exercise 2001;33:S164.

The Healthcare Professional Product Guide I read lists 31 peer reviewed articles if you are
interested

31 peer reviewed articles that do not appear on PublicMed from NIH? Strange.....

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{Cue Jan to say that this is from evil organized medicine. Please repost

so

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she can get her cue.]

Don't know what you intended by that statement? Please clarify so I can address it.

It was not addressed to you.

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is Cortitrol, > Again, strangely, there are no stucies that even

mention this chemical.

You may only know it as Cortisone and Hydrocortisone, but in the medical community Cortisol is a
Steriod Hormone produced in the adrenal gland in response to stress.

"the Adrenal Hormone "Cortisol" and stress have been studied for over

fifty

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years"..this is a paraphrase of the Forward in the book ..The Cortisol Connection, Why stress
makes you fat and ruins your health, By Shawn Talbott, PhD. This book was written for the lay
person to be able to understand.

I can list 100's of studies; Nutrition. 1997 sep;(9);795-803, Journal Endocrinol Invest. 1999 Jun;22(6);465-
71,Int Journal Sports Med. 1999 May;20(4):258-62, Journal Behavioral Med. 1994 Dec;17(6):605-16.
and many many more ....or you can go to www.cortisolconnection.com and ask

specific

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questions.

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You forgot the word from your sponsor.

I again don't know what you "intended" to infer by this statement, but if you would like to
clarify your intent I would be happy to address it.

As you can see this information is all based on scientific research.

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Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the likes of you.

I'm sorry to have offended you David, I thought this was a sincere question asking for fact based
information. Please advise as to how this in any way could be construed as spam.

It could sure be construed that way if you sell the stuff, and you've been very coy about not
discussing the matter.

So let's drag it out into the middle of the room. Do you sell those products you were mentioning?
Yes or no.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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I'm sorry to have offended you David, I thought this was a sincere

question

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asking for fact based information. Please advise as to how this in any

way

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could be construed as spam.

It could sure be construed that way if you sell the stuff, and you've been very coy about not
discussing the matter.

So let's drag it out into the middle of the room. Do you sell those products you were mentioning?
Yes or no.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost
always correct.

You are so full of yourself! I know a tri-athlete who uses the stuff religiously, throughly believes
in the benefits he has experienced and has reviewed the research (he is also a medical doctor)

If I did sell it, I certainly would not to you. You are a judgemental
S.O.B. and NO your opinions are NOT correct.

You seem to have nothing better to do than to berate people and their input on this new group. You
must me a very unhappy person. Sorry to have wasted my time with you.

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gh said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm sorry to have offended you David, I thought this was a sincere question asking for fact
based information. Please advise as to how this in any way could be construed as spam.

It could sure be construed that way if you sell the stuff, and you've been very coy about not
discussing the matter.

So let's drag it out into the middle of the room. Do you sell those products you were mentioning?
Yes or no.

You are so full of yourself! I know a tri-athlete who uses the stuff religiously, throughly
believes in the benefits he has experienced and has reviewed the research (he is also a
medical doctor)

If I did sell it, I certainly would not to you. You are a judgemental
S.O.B. and NO your opinions are NOT correct.

Thank you -- your evasions speak for themselves. If you didn't sell the stuff, you'd have just said
so. You didn't.

Not that I'm surprised. It was obvious from the outset that you were spamming us. I just wanted to
see whether you'd have the guts to admit it. You don't.

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You seem to have nothing better to do than to berate people and their input on this new group. You
must me a very unhappy person. Sorry to have wasted my time with you.

How about apologizing for wasting everyone's time with your spam?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Thank you -- your evasions speak for themselves. If you didn't sell the stuff, you'd have just
said so. You didn't.

Not that I'm surprised. It was obvious from the outset that you were spamming us. I just wanted to
see whether you'd have the guts to admit it. You don't.

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You seem to have nothing better to do than to berate people and their input on this new group.
You must me a very unhappy person. Sorry to have wasted my time with you.

Who Died and made you God? No I don't sell it. Obviously you are heard headed or just plain stupid!

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How about apologizing for wasting everyone's time with your spam?

You need to learn your terminology. Spam is not a factual statement to an open question. It is
people like you who ruin the who concept of a news group for every one else.

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Sadly you can not get all your nutrition from your daily diet! In June

2002

Quoted message said:

the Journal of American Medical Association stated " We recomend every

adult

Quoted message said:

take a multi-vitamin daily, as you can no longer get adequate nutrition

from

Quoted message said:

your diet" ..... You can get "Enough to prevent Deficiency, but not enough to prevent Disease"

Isn't that what we all want - to Prevent Disease.

Quoted message said:

What are some good energy supplements, and why?

A product called CordyMax, clinically proven in research studies to boost stamina and increase
your VO2 max (oxygen usage) is a good product.

Another

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is Cortitrol,

Never seen them offered to the public. So, what's the point?

lm

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In article said:

Sadly you can not get all your nutrition from your daily diet! In June

2002

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Quoted message said:

the Journal of American Medical Association stated " We recomend every

adult

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take a multi-vitamin daily, as you can no longer get adequate nutrition

from

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your diet" ..... You can get "Enough to prevent Deficiency, but not

enough

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to prevent Disease"

Isn't that what we all want - to Prevent Disease.

Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the likes of you.

What do you mean "by the likes of you"? You never did tell us Dave, just what do you know about
nutritional supplements? Do you believe in them or not?

Carole austarmetro.com.aumedia.htmOpen ↗

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In article said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the likes of you.

I'm sorry to have offended you David, I thought this was a sincere

question

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asking for fact based information. Please advise as to how this in any

way

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could be construed as spam.

I too have been reported to google for doing spam (which I never did). See Dave, you say that we
have free speech. There are all sorts of ways to shut up the opposition.

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It could sure be construed that way if you sell the stuff, and you've been very coy about not
discussing the matter.

So let's drag it out into the middle of the room. Do you sell those products you were mentioning?
Yes or no.

My spam was referring somebody to a website which sold books on tissue salts.

Carole austarmetro.com.aumedia.htmOpen ↗

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In article said:

Sadly you can not get all your nutrition from your daily diet! In June

2002

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the Journal of American Medical Association stated " We recomend every

adult

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

take a multi-vitamin daily, as you can no longer get adequate nutrition

from

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

your diet" ..... You can get "Enough to prevent Deficiency, but not

enough

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to prevent Disease"

Isn't that what we all want - to Prevent Disease.

Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the likes of you.

What do you mean "by the likes of you"?

Spammers.

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You never did tell us Dave, just what do you know about nutritional supplements? Do you believe in
them or not?

Well, I believe in them in the sense that I know they exist.

I believe in them as a remedy for nutritional deficiencies. Taking vitamin C will cure scurvy, or
B12 for pernicious anemia.

They may have other uses in, say, improving health, but this is a very complex subject and not
easily reduced to one-liners if you're trying to be accurate.

Your beloved cell salts, however, deliver nutrients in homeopathic doses and are thus of no
significant nutritional value.

I hope this will clarify my position for you.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the likes of you.

What do you mean "by the likes of you"?

Spammers.

The definition of a spammer is somebody who comes to this ng for the sole purpose of drumming up
business. Does this description fit the MO of the person you called a spammer?

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You never did tell us Dave, just what do you know about nutritional supplements? Do you believe
in them or not?

Well, I believe in them in the sense that I know they exist.

Good.

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I believe in them as a remedy for nutritional deficiencies. Taking vitamin C will cure scurvy, or
B12 for pernicious anemia.

Good.

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They may have other uses in, say, improving health, but this is a very complex subject and not
easily reduced to one-liners if you're trying to be accurate.

Yes.

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Your beloved cell salts, however, deliver nutrients in homeopathic doses and are thus of no
significant nutritional value.

This is the area where you need to improve your understanding both of homeopathy and cellsalts.

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I hope this will clarify my position for you.

Thanks for that.

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> Yes, but we're not going to get it by consuming spam posted by the likes of you.

What do you mean "by the likes of you"?

Spammers.

The definition of a spammer is somebody who comes to this ng for the sole purpose of drumming up
business. Does this description fit the MO of the person you called a spammer?

I thought it did, yes. It may be that I was wrong, but we never really found out.

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Your beloved cell salts, however, deliver nutrients in homeopathic doses and are thus of no
significant nutritional value.

This is the area where you need to improve your understanding both of homeopathy and cellsalts.

No, this is where you need to learn something about chemistry and the Avogadro limit. I know far
more about homeopathy than you do about the topics I've just mentioned.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)