piriformis/sciatica pain--exercises to avoid???

Puncturevine said:

I've been experiencing some pain in my left leg. From the nature of the pain (buttocks and deep
mid to low thigh) I believe it is piriformis sydrome rather than sciatica. The pain is usually
always above the knee, and tends to be more severe near the end of the day, when getting up from
being seated, or when returning to a low seat from standing. Bending over to put on shoes, etc.,
will also sometimes cause some pain, as will sometimes sitting (reclining) on my favorite "cushy"
couch at the end of the day.

The pain has been with me now since early December. There is no "injury event" I can think of that
would have triggered it. I have tried the Sacro-Wedgy product and stretches with little success,
and I'm thinking something in my weekly workouts might be aggravating it. I was hoping there might
be some folks out there with some suggestions on exercises to AVOID while I try to get a handle on
this. Maybe laying off a few specific exercises will reduce the inflammation, if it's truly a
piriformis problem.

Mondays I usually did squats, both traditional with barbell and with a hip-sled. Then I would work
back and biceps, with a mix of traditional barbell/dumbell exercises and some circuit room
machines.

Wednesdays was a little deadlifting, chest and triceps, again with a mix of traditional free
weight and machine lifts.

Friday was a depletion workout of the same exercises done Monday and Wed but with lighter weight
and very slow, controlled reps. I will also sometimes do some indoor "gym climbing," which
sometimes involves a controlled fall (usually onto the feet) from 6-8' up onto a thick foam mat.
I'm about 6'1" and 200lbs.

For aerobic training I do around 20-30 of interval training on any of the following: stairmaster
(with some deep steps now and then), treadmill (basic running), elliptical trainer, recumbent
bike, normal bike. I used to like the rowing (erg) machine, but that is too painful. And there
were a couple of weekends I'd do some extended backpacking trips and some longer bike rides on a
road bike. But generally when I'm active in these ways there isn't any notable pain.

I'm guessing the squats and deadlift should go, but perhaps not. I'm trying to think through the
condition anatomically, but perhaps a few folks out there have battled this condition and make
some suggestions. I will probably need to bite the bullet and go see a professional at some point
(I live in rural area with limited options, however), but I'd like to try a little "self help"
first, avoiding the offending behavior if that might help.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated!!!

I would continue your search for a good stretch. Plain old splits in their various forms ought to
help, lunge-type stretches might do something. You can actually work on strength and flexibility at
the same time if you do some of the old-fashioned presses like the bent press, side press, windmill
(based on the yoga "triangle"😉. I might also try to avoid things that tighten the hip flexors like
the bike and stair stepper.

-S-

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Puncturevine said:

I've been experiencing some pain in my left leg. From the nature of the pain (buttocks and deep
mid to low thigh) I believe it is piriformis sydrome rather than sciatica. The pain is usually
always above the knee, and tends to be more severe near the end of the day, when getting up from
being seated, or when returning to a low seat from standing. Bending over to put on shoes, etc.,
will also sometimes cause some pain, as will sometimes sitting (reclining) on my favorite
"cushy" couch at the end of the day.

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Any thoughts greatly appreciated!!!

I would continue your search for a good stretch. Plain old splits in their various forms ought to
help, lunge-type stretches might do something. You can actually work on strength and flexibility
at the same time if you do some of the old-fashioned presses like the bent press, side press,
windmill (based on the yoga "triangle"😉. I might also try to avoid things that tighten the hip
flexors like the bike and stair stepper.

-S-

I've had problems with that too- pain near the 'sit-bone', and it's REALLY common. The physio showed
me some stretches, like the 'sciatic spiral'. You lie on your back and pull your knee across your
body, up toward the opposite shouldr and HOLD it for at least 20 sec. and repeat 3 times on each
side. And yes, yoga is GREAT For the back. The problem was aggravated in an accident last fall when
I was hit by a car and landed on my back. But all that stuff has helped, that and going to an
osteopath. It still gets stiff from time to time and this &**&^^ cold weather hasn't helped. Sciatic
nerve irritation is really common among cyclists. Find a good set of stretches and do it after every
workout and ride.

Marlene Blanshay said:

And yes, yoga is GREAT For the back.

This is a potentially dangerous over-generalization. Some yoga exercises, as taught by many yoga
instructors, would do way more harm than good for many trainees.

-Wayne

Marlene's stretch is really a glut stretch. I've found that nothing 'stretches' quite like massage
but who has the $$$ to get that everyday.

Instead I lie on a tennis ball. I start near the top of my butt and roll across each cheek from
inside to outside & back again. When I find particularly sore spot I just lie on it. There's also a
spot between the 'tip' of the shoulder blade and the spine which I find needs a real digging with
the tennis ball as well. I also roll along my ilio-tibial band - pain! You can also get a bit of
relief doing this to your calves as well.

The other really important stretch is the hamstrings. Keep hip straight and feet shoulder width
apart. Put you foot on a chair and relax the whole leg (esp. your foot/ankle). Keep you leg slightly
bent and 'drag' you leg backwards. This stretch isolates the hammie in a way that a straight leg
stretch won't.

Once you've done this for about a week - visit an osteo or chiro. Adjustments will last longer and
be easier to achieve if you already a bit loose.

Scott

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Puncturevine said:

I've been experiencing some pain in my left leg. From the nature of the pain (buttocks and
deep mid to low thigh) I believe it is

I've had problems with that too- pain near the 'sit-bone', and it's REALLY common. The physio
showed me some stretches, like the 'sciatic spiral'. You lie on your back and pull your knee
across your body, up toward the opposite shouldr and HOLD it for at least 20 sec. and repeat 3
times on each side. And yes, yoga is GREAT For the back. The problem was aggravated in an accident
last fall when I was hit by a car and landed on my back. But all that stuff has helped, that and
going to an osteopath. It still gets stiff from time to time and this &**&^^ cold weather hasn't
helped. Sciatic nerve irritation is really common among cyclists. Find a good set of stretches and
do it after every workout and ride.

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Marlene Blanshay said:

And yes, yoga is GREAT For the back.

This is a potentially dangerous over-generalization. Some yoga exercises, as taught by many yoga
instructors, would do way more harm than good for many trainees.

-Wayne

Yeah, I am not sure about some of them either, like the plow or bending over backward, but the whole
point is that you do what you can and done correctly, it's beneficial for flexibility, circulation
and relaxation, great for stiff joints and tense muscles.

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I've been experiencing some pain in my left leg. From the nature of the pain (buttocks and deep
mid to low thigh) I believe it is piriformis sydrome rather than sciatica. The pain is usually
always above the knee, and tends to be more severe near the end of the day, when getting up from
being seated, or when returning to a low seat from standing. Bending over to put on shoes, etc.,
will also sometimes cause some pain, as will sometimes sitting (reclining) on my favorite "cushy"
couch at the end of the day.

The pain has been with me now since early December. There is no "injury event" I can think of that
would have triggered it. I have tried the Sacro-Wedgy product and stretches with little success,
and I'm thinking something in my weekly workouts might be aggravating it. I was hoping there might
be some folks out there with some suggestions on exercises to AVOID while I try to get a handle on
this. Maybe laying off a few specific exercises will reduce the inflammation, if it's truly a
piriformis problem.

Mondays I usually did squats, both traditional with barbell and with a hip-sled. Then I would work
back and biceps, with a mix of traditional barbell/dumbell exercises and some circuit room
machines.

Wednesdays was a little deadlifting, chest and triceps, again with a mix of traditional free
weight and machine lifts.

Friday was a depletion workout of the same exercises done Monday and Wed but with lighter weight
and very slow, controlled reps. I will also sometimes do some indoor "gym climbing," which
sometimes involves a controlled fall (usually onto the feet) from 6-8' up onto a thick foam mat.
I'm about 6'1" and 200lbs.

For aerobic training I do around 20-30 of interval training on any of the following: stairmaster
(with some deep steps now and then), treadmill (basic running), elliptical trainer, recumbent
bike, normal bike. I used to like the rowing (erg) machine, but that is too painful. And there
were a couple of weekends I'd do some extended backpacking trips and some longer bike rides on a
road bike. But generally when I'm active in these ways there isn't any notable pain.

I'm guessing the squats and deadlift should go, but perhaps not. I'm trying to think through the
condition anatomically, but perhaps a few folks out there have battled this condition and make
some suggestions. I will probably need to bite the bullet and go see a professional at some point
(I live in rural area with limited options, however), but I'd like to try a little "self help"
first, avoiding the offending behavior if that might help.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated!!!

Working out is great for the body, but if you do have problems with the nerves you have to be
careful what you do because you can do more harm than good. When I first hurt my back I did all the
workouts I was told to do and wound up causing a lot more damage to the back & nerves. By the time I
had back surgery they said I should never have done what I did even though they had me doing it. If
the workouts cause you to have more or different pain then really think about seeing a Dr. It is
always a good idea to get checked out if the pain lasts for more than a few days.

Good Luck Pat

Hutch,

My pain was very similar to what you are describing only I let it go for about 5 years
because......well, I don't like to go to the doctors. It turned out that I have DDD and after a
discogram they discovered that two of the disc are "blown out".

I'd suggest having the discogram because it is definitive. It is painful though.

Jeff

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I've been experiencing some pain in my left leg. From the nature of the pain (buttocks and deep
mid to low thigh) I believe it is piriformis sydrome rather than sciatica. The pain is usually
always above the knee, and tends to be more severe near the end of the day, when getting up from
being seated, or when returning to a low seat from standing. Bending over to put on shoes, etc.,
will also sometimes cause some pain, as will sometimes sitting (reclining) on my favorite
"cushy" couch at the end of the day.

The pain has been with me now since early December. There is no "injury event" I can think of
that would have triggered it. I have tried the Sacro-Wedgy product and stretches with little
success, and I'm thinking something in my weekly workouts might be aggravating it. I was hoping
there might be some folks out there with some suggestions on exercises to AVOID while I try to
get a handle on this. Maybe laying off a few specific exercises will reduce the inflammation, if
it's truly a piriformis problem.

Mondays I usually did squats, both traditional with barbell and with a hip-sled. Then I would
work back and biceps, with a mix of traditional barbell/dumbell exercises and some circuit room
machines.

Wednesdays was a little deadlifting, chest and triceps, again with a mix of traditional free
weight and machine lifts.

Friday was a depletion workout of the same exercises done Monday and Wed but with lighter weight
and very slow, controlled reps. I will also sometimes do some indoor "gym climbing," which
sometimes involves a controlled fall (usually onto the feet) from 6-8' up onto a thick foam mat.
I'm about 6'1" and 200lbs.

For aerobic training I do around 20-30 of interval training on any of the following: stairmaster
(with some deep steps now and then), treadmill (basic running), elliptical trainer, recumbent
bike, normal bike. I used to like the rowing (erg) machine, but that is too painful. And there
were a couple of weekends I'd do some extended backpacking trips and some longer bike rides on a
road bike. But generally when I'm active in these ways there isn't any notable pain.

I'm guessing the squats and deadlift should go, but perhaps not. I'm trying to think through the
condition anatomically, but perhaps a few folks out there have battled this condition and make
some suggestions. I will probably need to bite the bullet and go see a professional at some
point (I live in rural area with limited options, however), but I'd like to try a little "self
help" first, avoiding the offending behavior if that might help.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated!!!

Working out is great for the body, but if you do have problems with the nerves you have to be
careful what you do because you can do more harm

than

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good. When I first hurt my back I did all the workouts I was told to do

and

Quoted message said:

wound up causing a lot more damage to the back & nerves. By the time I had back surgery they said
I should never have done what I did even though

they

Quoted message said:

had me doing it. If the workouts cause you to have more or different pain then really think about
seeing a Dr. It is always a good idea to get

checked

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out if the pain lasts for more than a few days.

Good Luck Pat

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Hutch,

My pain was very similar to what you are describing only I let it go for about 5 years
because......well, I don't like to go to the doctors. It turned out that I have DDD and after a
discogram they discovered that two

of

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the disc are "blown out".

I'd suggest having the discogram because it is definitive. It is painful though.

Jeff

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I've been experiencing some pain in my left leg. From the nature of the pain (buttocks and
deep mid to low thigh) I believe it is piriformis sydrome rather than sciatica. The pain is
usually always above the knee, and tends to be more severe near the end of the day, when
getting up from being seated, or when returning to a low seat from standing. Bending over to
put on shoes, etc., will also sometimes cause some pain, as will sometimes sitting (reclining)
on my favorite "cushy" couch at the end of the day.

The pain has been with me now since early December. There is no "injury event" I can think of
that would have triggered it. I have tried the Sacro-Wedgy product and stretches with little
success, and I'm thinking something in my weekly workouts might be aggravating it. I was
hoping there might be some folks out there with some suggestions on exercises to AVOID while I
try to get a handle on this. Maybe laying off a few specific exercises will reduce the
inflammation, if it's truly a piriformis problem.

Mondays I usually did squats, both traditional with barbell and with a hip-sled. Then I would
work back and biceps, with a mix of traditional barbell/dumbell exercises and some circuit
room machines.

Wednesdays was a little deadlifting, chest and triceps, again with a mix of traditional free
weight and machine lifts.

Friday was a depletion workout of the same exercises done Monday and Wed but with lighter
weight and very slow, controlled reps. I will also sometimes do some indoor "gym climbing,"
which sometimes involves a controlled fall (usually onto the feet) from 6-8' up onto a thick
foam mat. I'm about 6'1" and 200lbs.

For aerobic training I do around 20-30 of interval training on any of the following:
stairmaster (with some deep steps now and then), treadmill (basic running), elliptical
trainer, recumbent bike, normal bike. I used to like the rowing (erg) machine, but that is too
painful. And there were a couple of weekends I'd do some extended backpacking trips and some
longer bike rides on a road bike. But generally when I'm active in these ways there isn't any
notable pain.

I'm guessing the squats and deadlift should go, but perhaps not. I'm trying to think through
the condition anatomically, but perhaps a few folks out there have battled this condition and
make some suggestions. I will probably need to bite the bullet and go see a professional at
some point (I live in rural area with limited options, however), but I'd like to try a little
"self help" first, avoiding the offending behavior if that might help.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated!!!

Working out is great for the body, but if you do have problems with the nerves you have to be
careful what you do because you can do more harm

than

Quoted message said:

good. When I first hurt my back I did all the workouts I was told to do

and

Quoted message said:

wound up causing a lot more damage to the back & nerves. By the time I

had

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

back surgery they said I should never have done what I did even though

they

Quoted message said:

had me doing it. If the workouts cause you to have more or different

pain

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

then really think about seeing a Dr. It is always a good idea to get

checked

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out if the pain lasts for more than a few days.

Good Luck Pat

Thanks Jeff

I already know what my problem is I have 4 hern. disks & will never let them cut again unless I am
to the point of nothing helping or working for me. My husband has 5 himself & had to let them cut
last year & wow he got relief for 6 complete days (not a good trade off). But I do thank you for the
suggestion it may have helped me about 10 years ago.

Thanks Pat

My 2 cents,

For the past several years I have done Martial Arts and ridden 4000 miles a year. I am not sure
about periformis, but splits hurt me very much. The hip bone did not respond well to side or front
splits. I would get an ugly sounding "pop" when I rode.

In addition to most of the stretches mentioned in the posts, one other I do is the Illiotibital band
stretch. Hold on to a rail or whatever with one hand and face sideways. Cross your outside foot in
front of your inside foot. Now lean into the railing like a ballerina, hip leaning out, head leaning
in. I put my arm up to increase the stretch (arm leaning in even more). Hold for 20 seconds.

Also, my riding has improved tremendously with the addition of abs and lower back exercises. Not
heavy stuff. Just crunches and roman chair for the back. I am 5'8" and when I am lifting heavy, can
get to 225.

Have you had your feet checked to see if you need orthotics. I got mine 4 years ago and most of my
knee pain disappeared.

One last thing, If I am going for a killer ride (like the annual Death Ride in CA), I wear on of
those 8 hour heat wraps you can buy at any drugstore. It makes a huge difference.

My 2 cents...

Chuck Dahl SlowPokey

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Puncturevine said:

I've been experiencing some pain in my left leg. From the nature of the pain (buttocks and deep
mid to low thigh) I believe it is piriformis sydrome rather than sciatica. The pain is usually
always above the knee, and tends to be more severe near the end of the day, when getting up from
being seated, or when returning to a low seat from standing. Bending over to put on shoes, etc.,
will also sometimes cause some pain, as will sometimes sitting (reclining) on my favorite
"cushy" couch at the end of the day.

The pain has been with me now since early December. There is no "injury event" I can think of
that would have triggered it. I have tried the Sacro-Wedgy product and stretches with little
success, and I'm thinking something in my weekly workouts might be aggravating it. I was hoping
there might be some folks out there with some suggestions on exercises to AVOID while I try to
get a handle on this. Maybe laying off a few specific exercises will reduce the inflammation, if
it's truly a piriformis problem.

Mondays I usually did squats, both traditional with barbell and with a hip-sled. Then I would
work back and biceps, with a mix of traditional barbell/dumbell exercises and some circuit room
machines.

Wednesdays was a little deadlifting, chest and triceps, again with a mix of traditional free
weight and machine lifts.

Friday was a depletion workout of the same exercises done Monday and Wed but with lighter weight
and very slow, controlled reps. I will also sometimes do some indoor "gym climbing," which
sometimes involves a controlled fall (usually onto the feet) from 6-8' up onto a thick foam mat.
I'm about 6'1" and 200lbs.

For aerobic training I do around 20-30 of interval training on any of the following: stairmaster
(with some deep steps now and then), treadmill (basic running), elliptical trainer, recumbent
bike, normal bike. I used to like the rowing (erg) machine, but that is too painful. And there
were a couple of weekends I'd do some extended backpacking trips and some longer bike rides on a
road bike. But generally when I'm active in these ways there isn't any notable pain.

I'm guessing the squats and deadlift should go, but perhaps not. I'm trying to think through the
condition anatomically, but perhaps a few folks out there have battled this condition and make
some suggestions. I will probably need to bite the bullet and go see a professional at some
point (I live in rural area with limited options, however), but I'd like to try a little "self
help" first, avoiding the offending behavior if that might help.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated!!!

I would continue your search for a good stretch. Plain old splits in their various forms ought to
help, lunge-type stretches might do something. You can actually work on strength and flexibility
at the same time if you do some of the old-fashioned presses like the bent press, side press,
windmill (based on the yoga "triangle"😉. I might also try to avoid things that tighten the hip
flexors like the bike and stair stepper.

-S-

The symptoms you described do not sound like a piriformis syndrome, in fact more disc related than
anything else...I would first get evaluated by a physician who will refer you to either a physical
therapist or chiropractor. Generally, disc disease elicits or increases pain upon sitting, bending
over and going from sitting to standing; whereas you probably feel better standing and walking.
Would recommend finding a book callled Treating your own Back by Mckenzie...good luck

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Puncturevine said:

I've been experiencing some pain in my left leg. From the nature of the pain (buttocks and
deep mid to low thigh) I believe it is piriformis sydrome rather than sciatica. The pain is
usually always above the knee, and tends to be more severe near the end of the day, when
getting up from being seated, or when returning to a low seat from standing. Bending over to
put on shoes, etc., will also sometimes cause some pain, as will sometimes sitting (reclining)
on my favorite "cushy" couch at the end of the day.

Quoted message said:

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Any thoughts greatly appreciated!!!

I would continue your search for a good stretch. Plain old splits in their various forms ought
to help, lunge-type stretches might do something. You can actually work on strength and
flexibility at the same time if you do some of the old-fashioned presses like the bent press,
side press, windmill (based on the yoga "triangle"😉. I might also try to avoid things that
tighten the hip flexors like the bike and stair stepper.

-S-

I've had problems with that too- pain near the 'sit-bone', and it's REALLY common. The physio
showed me some stretches, like the 'sciatic spiral'. You lie on your back and pull your knee
across your body, up toward the opposite shouldr and HOLD it for at least 20 sec. and repeat 3
times on each side. And yes, yoga is GREAT For the back. The problem was aggravated in an accident
last fall when I was hit by a car and landed on my back. But all that stuff has helped, that and
going to an osteopath. It still gets stiff from time to time and this &**&^^ cold weather hasn't
helped. Sciatic nerve irritation is really common among cyclists. Find a good set of stretches and
do it after every workout and ride.

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The symptoms you described do not sound like a piriformis syndrome, in fact more disc related than
anything else...I would first get evaluated by a physician who will refer you to either a physical
therapist or chiropractor. Generally, disc disease elicits or increases pain upon sitting, bending
over and going from sitting to standing; whereas you probably feel better standing and walking.
Would recommend finding a book callled Treating your own Back by Mckenzie...good luck

I suspect you are right, which is unfortunate since I'm only in my mid-30s. I guess I didn't expect
to have this sort of problem until I was older. I did a little more research/reading on this and did
a real easy workout on Fri, but with the following "additional" exercises:

1. slow, controlled, deep squat with little weight on the Smith machine
2. some back extensions on the Roman chair
3. some "Mackenzie"-like stretching, esp. laying on your front and slowly raising yourself to your
elbows, then outstretched arms, and holding that stretch.

I could feel a difference immediately after the workout, and I feel pretty good today.

But I wish I could figure out the cause. I suspect it has something to do with poor lumbar support
in my office chair and my "cushy couch" at home, both of which I'm sorry to say I spend too much
time in 😉 I bought a small lumbar pad today and can tell the difference using it while sitting on
the couch.

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The symptoms you described do not sound like a piriformis syndrome, in

fact

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more disc related than anything else...I would first get evaluated by a physician who will refer
you to either a physical therapist or

chiropractor.

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Generally, disc disease elicits or increases pain upon sitting, bending

over

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and going from sitting to standing; whereas you probably feel better standing and walking. Would
recommend finding a book callled Treating

your

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own Back by Mckenzie...good luck

I suspect you are right, which is unfortunate since I'm only in my mid-30s. I guess I didn't
expect to have this sort of problem until I was older. I did a little more research/reading on
this and did a real easy workout on Fri, but with the following "additional" exercises:

1. slow, controlled, deep squat with little weight on the Smith machine
2. some back extensions on the Roman chair
3. some "Mackenzie"-like stretching, esp. laying on your front and slowly raising yourself to your
elbows, then outstretched arms, and holding that stretch.

I could feel a difference immediately after the workout, and I feel pretty good today.

But I wish I could figure out the cause. I suspect it has something to do with poor lumbar support
in my office chair and my "cushy couch" at home, both of which I'm sorry to say I spend too much
time in 😉 I bought a small lumbar pad today and can tell the difference using it while sitting on
the couch.

I know it is very hard sometimes if you have injured your back to tell when and how you did it, when
I did mine I knew what I did as soon as I did it. When my husband hurt his he knew his back was
hurting but thought it was nothing but a strain. He hurt his buy jumping about 4 feet off a ladder
that had the bottom part not lock into place. It was one of those like you have in your garage or
attic that you pull down, except this was a big construction one at a job site. He kept saying after
he knew what he had done to his back (but I have done that a several times and never got hurt
before) but as we all know it only takes one time. Hope your feeling better soon but as I said
before if the pain does not leave please see a Dr.

Pat

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But I wish I could figure out the cause. I suspect it has something to do with poor lumbar support
in my office chair and my "cushy couch" at home, both of which I'm sorry to say I spend too much
time in 😉 I bought a small lumbar pad today and can tell the difference using it while sitting on
the couch.

I don't think it's possible to underestimate the damage that can be done in a passive way just by
sitting in a bad chair for 8+ hours every day. It might sound ridiculous to spend 7-800 hundred on
an office chair, but IMO there are few better investments than a top of the line chair like an Aeron
or Steelcase Leap with plenty of support everywhere and every part adjustable. Think seriously about
saving up for one of these, if you don't have one. There are other brands that might be equally
good, but I can recommend an Aeron from firsthand experience and have heard that Steelcase is
comparable. I got my latest Aeron from Sit4Less.com, which had very good service. Aeron also has a
new version called Posture Fit, which has additional lumbar support. I don't know much about it,
though. BTW, Aerons are guaranteed for 12 years, so one good thing is that you don't have to worry
about buying a new chair any time soon.

My two cents.

Ed

In article said:

Yeah, I am not sure about some of them either, like the plow or bending over backward,

The plow and backbending are great excercise, but one's body needs to be ready for them. The good
thing about Ashtanga (Vinyasa) Yoga is that asanas are practised according to a set system of
asanas. Once the teacher sees that one is proficient enough in the preceding asanas, learning a
new asana can commence. This method ensures that one 'is ready' for the new asanas both physically
and mentally.

Marcus

In article said:

Marlene Blanshay wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And yes, yoga is GREAT For the back.

Quoted message said:

This is a potentially dangerous over-generalization. Some yoga exercises, as taught by many yoga
instructors, would do way more harm than good for many trainees.

Avoid crappy teachers at all costs.

Marcus

Marcus E Engdahl said:

Wayne S. Hill said:

Marlene Blanshay wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And yes, yoga is GREAT For the back.

Quoted message said:

This is a potentially dangerous over-generalization. Some yoga exercises, as taught by many yoga
instructors, would do way more harm than good for many trainees.

Avoid crappy teachers at all costs.

How is the average person supposed to know the difference? This is just like the personal
trainer problem (although the average yoga instructor is probably much better than the average
personal trainer).

-Wayne

In article said:

Marcus E Engdahl said:

Wayne S. Hill <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This is a potentially dangerous over-generalization. Some yoga exercises, as taught by many yoga
instructors, would do way more harm than good for many trainees.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Avoid crappy teachers at all costs.

Quoted message said:

How is the average person supposed to know the difference?

Forget teachers with less than 10 years of experience, forget fancy new 'styles' of yoga and forget
about practising in a Gym. That should help a lot.

Marcus

In article <[email hidden]>, Scott & Ivana

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Marlene's stretch is really a glut stretch. I've found that nothing 'stretches' quite like massage
but who has the $$$ to get that everyday.

Instead I lie on a tennis ball. I start near the top of my butt and roll across each cheek from
inside to outside & back again. When I find particularly sore spot I just lie on it. There's also
a spot between the 'tip' of the shoulder blade and the spine which I find needs a real digging
with the tennis ball as well. I also roll along my ilio-tibial band - pain! You can also get a bit
of relief doing this to your calves as well.

The other really important stretch is the hamstrings. Keep hip straight and feet shoulder width
apart. Put you foot on a chair and relax the whole leg (esp. your foot/ankle). Keep you leg
slightly bent and 'drag' you leg backwards. This stretch isolates the hammie in a way that a
straight leg stretch won't.

Once you've done this for about a week - visit an osteo or chiro. Adjustments will last longer and
be easier to achieve if you already a bit loose.

Scott

Some thoughts from a previous post of mine reponding to a query:

In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer - rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon
Clinic, est. 1975

Mindful Running: mindfulness.commr.aspOpen ↗ faqs.orgrunning faqOpen ↗

In article said:

Mariko said:

My butt has been hurting since October, and I'm hoping someone might have some suggestions.
Details: I have suffered from iliotibial band syndrome many times, and this may have
something to do with the butt problem. The point of pain is where my bottom attaches to my
leg, and the pain is pretty deep. I can't really sit for an extended period of time because
it starts to hurt.

I agree with csrunner1-sounds like piriformis syndrome.

Take a look at: danke.compirif.htmlOpen ↗ rice.edupiri.htmlOpen ↗
rice.edupiri.2.htmlOpen ↗

-Phil

Ozzie writes:

Some observations:

Piriformis

What it does: Piriformis rotates your thigh laterally (turns it outward). Piriformis abducts
(ab(Latin) from/away from; duco lead, direct [ad=to or toward]) or turns the thigh away from the
body when your leg is flexed.

Piriformis is attached onto the front of the sacrum (origin) and inserts into the top of the
femur (insertion) - sort of at the top and inward on the greater trochanter.

Piriformis does most of the work when you turn your leg outwards.

You now can see how the hyper-tense (overly tight) gluts which has as its job of laterally (outside)
rotating the thigh. That rotation or turning the thigh outward

So if the piriformis does most of the work when you turn your leg out along with the gluteus max
which laterally rotates the thigh, when these muscles become hypertonic (overly tight) they assist
in rotating the entire thigh...and the lower leg and foot also go along for the ride.

So more than likely, you'll often see that when you stand or walk or run through some water and look
at your running foot prints they look like:

/ and not |

\ |

/ |

\ |

and when you stand up brushing your teeth in the morning or standing around not thinking about how
you're standing and you look down at your feet, you will see

\/ and not ||.

Now to correct this you you'll bring the front of your feet \/ together ||.

But the problem is that, if you go back to what you've just learned from the info about the
piriformis and the glut max, you'll say to yourself: "Hmmmmmmmm, if I turn the front of the foot
inward, I won't have done (never good at English when I speak to myself) anything to the
piriformis or the glut max. How can I best effect those muscles which may be a big part of my
splay foot stance?"

Ah now I see what Ozzie's talking about. And you'll say to yourself, "Oh, that's why Ozzie
thanks Leroy Perry to this day for showing him some of his chiropractic intuition and folklore
at a workshop which helped Ozzie understand how to effect the foot at the origin of the splay
footed problem"

When you are standing \ / and want to get your feet to align | |

1. View your feet. Note if the feet are \ / evenly or more \ | or
| / or some ankle between _ _ and | |.

2. If your feet are \ /, turn your heels outward so that if you were looking straight on into a
mirror you would not be able to see the inside of your heel like you can when you look at your
feet and you're standing \ /.

3. Now that you can't see your heels because you're standing | |, lift one leg and bring it to a
position so that it is directly aligned underneath your hip. Think of the legs as two columns
upon which your pelvic is supported.

4. By turning out the heels first, you're countered the lateral rotational tendency of the
piriformis and the glut max. (Now isn't that sweet.)

Two more observations:

5. If you stand in front of a mirror and tighten your butt muscles you'll see the thighs rotate to
the outside. You don't even know you're using the piriformis since it's so deep inside...just
like you know know you're using the psoas to kick a foot ball or kick your dog.

6. In "Preparation" in Tai Chi, you'll notice that you start \/ and then to get into your
"Beginning" stance you rotate the heels out to get into | |. When that happens your knees when
they bend, bend straight ahead. Ahhhhhh.

Well maybe you don't say "Ahhhhhh" to yourself because you don't know what the hell I getting at.

Okay, Okay.

If you chronically have a tendency to have hypertonic piriformi and glutei Maximi (Latin -
nominative plural) you can now relate to why people call you "tight assed."

Now trying to run like that \ /, and now ever thinking that your legs and feet are suppose to track
| |, gives you some sense of the system upon which you stand, walk and run, and realize that those
unnecessary torques and twists do have their effects over the seconds, minutes, hours, days, months
and years because you're doing it all the time....unconsciously.

You're practicing to stand in improper form and style and you're not even thinking about it, let
alone doing something about except when you consciously stretch and workout...and when you compare
that to all the unconscious exercise you do by the way you walk, stand, sit and move....you realize
that 7 or 10 or 20 hours a week of exercise is nothing. Because if you worked out 20 hours a week,
slept 56 hours a week, you still have over 90 hours a week that you're awake.

Albeit unconscious, when you are sitting, standing, walking and moving without awareness: It's not
what you do that gets you in trouble. It's what you do wrong and don't know that you do wrong or
incorrectly...all of those unconscious seconds...that gets you in trouble. Every injury, every
overuse syndrome, every ache and pain you have related to physical movement started with a
millisecond of unconscious improper movement...that you did but didn't know that you did, because
you never thought about it because you were unconscious thinking or worrying or daydreamsing about
something else.

It's not what you know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know that just ain't so.

Sometimes it feels good to be a pain in the cerebral glutei and piriformi of people who suffer from
psychosclerosis (English: hard headedness). I know I suffer from it, doesn't everybody? Never mind.

You're probably right about this. I was just hesitant to spend that kind of money before I was
reasonably certain the chair was the cause of the problem. I've been feeling better based on doing
the exercises I had described, so it's tough to know whether my "disk damage" (if that's what it is)
was caused by my sitting (at office or at home), or whether the sitting just aggravates the "disk
damage" that was caused by something else. I've had the same office chair and home furniture for 4-5
years now, so one would think I would have experienced this earlier if the seating was a problem.
But perhaps the effects were just cumulative... ?

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I don't think it's possible to underestimate the damage that can be done in a passive way just by
sitting in a bad chair for 8+ hours every day. It might sound ridiculous to spend 7-800 hundred on
an office chair, but IMO there are few better investments than a top of the line chair like an
Aeron or Steelcase Leap with plenty of support everywhere and every part adjustable. Think
seriously about saving up for one of these, if you don't have one. There are other brands that
might be equally good, but I can recommend an Aeron from firsthand experience and have heard that
Steelcase is comparable. I got my latest Aeron from Sit4Less.com, which had very good service.
Aeron also has a new version called Posture Fit, which has additional lumbar support. I don't know
much about it, though. BTW, Aerons are guaranteed for 12 years, so one good thing is that you
don't have to worry about buying a new chair any time soon.

My two cents.

Ed