suggestions?

First problem is to find the problem muscle(s), and your suggestion of it being in the quadriceps
isn't really very helpful, since they are in the legs. You are there, we are here. So I'll tell you
what I tell others that aren't in front of me. Put a tennis ball in a sock, and using your LEFT
hand, put it over your right shoulder so it's down your back. Lay on it with it the furthest down,
and near the outer portion of your back. Then ease up a little, pull it up a centimeter or so, do it
again. When you get to the top of that 'track', start a little bit closer to your spine, down at the
bottom again. Purpose is to find the area, and they will be tender, even without doing stuff that
makes them outright hurt. If you find the spots, you already know what to do, as from your comments
about using "door jambs and various implements". The tennis ball is your implement. Also, there's a
product called a Theracane that lets you get to those out-of-the-way spots too. For the muscles that
will have been likely to be 'guarding' the primary muscle areas, I suggest cupped hand percussion,
but that's another post.

Lance Delacroix <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi folks,

Don't know if this is an appropriate place to post; if it's not, please give me a shove in the
right direction.

I am right-handed and I have a problem with my right arm/shoulder. I can extend my arm fully
forward or laterally, but if I try to raise it upward while extended to the front, I get pain in
the shoulder; ditto if I try to extend it directly upward. I also get pain with an abrupt
extenison in any direction, as in throwing a ball or a punch. If I try to hang from a horizontal
chin-up bar, OUCH!! The pain is so intense that I can't move my arm at all for a minute or so. It
also aches if I lie on that side. The pain itself is not chronic, but it occurs faithfully when I
perform the indicated actions. It feels like the most obviously affected muscle is the quadriceps,
but I feel discomfort all around the shoulder joint.

I'm 53 years old, fairly active, I run and do calisthentics and have trained in martial arts.
Before this pain developed, pushups and pullups were part of my daily routine, although that
routine was sometimes interrupted for weeks or months at a time due to an intermittent lack of
motivation. I have had extensive massage therapy, including a full course of Rolfing about fifteen
years ago, as treatment for various aches and pains (back, neck, hips, and legs). Since I have
been traveling and living outside of the U.S. for the past ten years or so, I have been unable to
find a competent, all-around therapist, and so I do a kind of self-Rolfing massage using doorjambs
and various implements when I feel the need. I have been able to manage my body pretty well on my
own until this incident.

I think that what brought this on was a vigorous session of chopping wood back around August or
September. Since then I have been experimenting with various combinations of exercise, including
no exercise for a couple of weeks. I did work myself up to a point where I could do seven or eight
pullups with no immediate pain, but there was a continued discomfort that made me think that I
should lay off for a while.

I have also tried applying heat, using aspirin, using a topical anaesthetic, and getting massaged
by a big Bulgarian grandma. As I said, the pain is not chronic, but there seems to be an
underlying injury that is. Relying on a doctor or masseur here is probably not a great idea, as I
don't think that the state of the art is the same here as it is in the States. I don't think there
are any chiropractors. I'm hoping someone can give me some practical suggestions that I can either
implement myself or take with me to a doctor.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:32:50 -0500, "Michael Baugh"
<[email hidden]> be sayin':

Quoted message said:

First problem is to find the problem muscle(s), and your suggestion of it being in the quadriceps
isn't really very helpful, since they are in the legs.

Oops! I mean the triceps, particularly the lateral head. The deltoid, trapezius, and teres major and
minor also seem to have been affected when this first became a problem, but are okay now. All of the
sensitivity seems to be in my arm, not my back.

Quoted message said:

If you find the spots, you already know what to do, as from your comments about using "door jambs
and various implements".

What I know how to do doesn't work. It's not the usual tight-muscle pain; it's *almost* that jangly
feeling that you get when you pinch a nerve, but it's sharper and more intense. I've tried working
out the tightness, and have even combined muscle manipulation with taking a couple of muscle
relaxers, but the sensitivity remains.

My wife said that maybe I have some kind of inflammation and need some kind of anti-inflammatory (a
steroid?). Does that sound likely? I can probably get any drug I want here just by asking for it.
I've started taking aspirin all day long and plan to do that for a couple of weeks, just to see if
it will have any long-term effect.

Quoted message said:

Also, there's a product called a Theracane that lets you get to those out-of-the-way spots too.

I have an s-shaped piece of spring steel with a knob on each end that I use. Same idea, I suppose.
Really, I've been doing the meat-tenderizer routine for years; it usually works like a charm, but
this time it just isn't helping.

Quoted message said:

For the muscles that will have been likely to be 'guarding' the primary muscle areas, I suggest
cupped hand percussion, but that's another post.

Okay, tell me about that if you will. And thanks for your help!

Being a newbie here, and certainly no doctor, I'm probably way out of my league. But what the hell,
you can always ignore what I say (and maybe should). I've had rotator cuff problems in the past that
have symptoms similar to what you describe. Maybe a good physical therapist?

Lance Delacroix <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Hi folks,

Don't know if this is an appropriate place to post; if it's not, please give me a shove in the
right direction.

I am right-handed and I have a problem with my right arm/shoulder. I can extend my arm fully
forward or laterally, but if I try to raise it upward while extended to the front, I get pain in
the shoulder; ditto if I try to extend it directly upward. I also get pain with an abrupt
extenison in any direction, as in throwing a ball or a punch. If I try to hang from a horizontal
chin-up bar, OUCH!! The pain is so intense that I can't move my arm at all for a minute or so. It
also aches if I lie on that side. The pain itself is not chronic, but it occurs faithfully when I
perform the indicated actions. It feels like the most obviously affected muscle is the quadriceps,
but I feel discomfort all around the shoulder joint.

I'm 53 years old, fairly active, I run and do calisthentics and have trained in martial arts.
Before this pain developed, pushups and pullups were part of my daily routine, although that
routine was sometimes interrupted for weeks or months at a time due to an intermittent lack of
motivation. I have had extensive massage therapy, including a full course of Rolfing about fifteen
years ago, as treatment for various aches and pains (back, neck, hips, and legs). Since I have
been traveling and living outside of the U.S. for the past ten years or so, I have been unable to
find a competent, all-around therapist, and so I do a kind of self-Rolfing massage using doorjambs
and various implements when I feel the need. I have been able to manage my body pretty well on my
own until this incident.

I think that what brought this on was a vigorous session of chopping wood back around August or
September. Since then I have been experimenting with various combinations of exercise, including
no exercise for a couple of weeks. I did work myself up to a point where I could do seven or eight
pullups with no immediate pain, but there was a continued discomfort that made me think that I
should lay off for a while.

I have also tried applying heat, using aspirin, using a topical anaesthetic, and getting massaged
by a big Bulgarian grandma. As I said, the pain is not chronic, but there seems to be an
underlying injury that is. Relying on a doctor or masseur here is probably not a great idea, as I
don't think that the state of the art is the same here as it is in the States. I don't think there
are any chiropractors. I'm hoping someone can give me some practical suggestions that I can either
implement myself or take with me to a doctor.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Hi Lance,

I don't claim to be any kind of expert, but I'm not sure why you think the practitioners will be
unsafe where you are. Don't the people there ever suffer from sore shoulders? Wouldn't the local
healers have worked out something that does the job? Most of the western massage modalities were
picked up by westerners from the 'third world' anyway, and the adaptations made in the US are more
about meeting the anxieties of the medical profession and lawmakers than clinical effectiveness IMO.
Find out where the locals go, and who has the rep for doing a good job. Lay off the pull-ups, like
totally, until you are completely pain free, and learn to 'do things' with your other hand to give
the right shoulder a rest. Like I said, just some thoughts. As the business consultants say, my
opnion is probably worth whatever you paid for it ;-). Jay

"Lance Delacroix" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi folks,

Don't know if this is an appropriate place to post; if it's not, please give me a shove in the
right direction.

I am right-handed and I have a problem with my right arm/shoulder. I can extend my arm fully
forward or laterally, but if I try to raise it upward while extended to the front, I get pain in
the shoulder; ditto if I try to extend it directly upward. I also get pain with an abrupt
extenison in any direction, as in throwing a ball or a punch. If I try to hang from a horizontal
chin-up bar, OUCH!! The pain is so intense that I can't move my arm at all for a minute or so. It
also aches if I lie on that side. The pain itself is not chronic, but it occurs faithfully when I
perform the indicated actions. It feels like the most obviously affected muscle is the quadriceps,
but I feel discomfort all around the shoulder joint.

I'm 53 years old, fairly active, I run and do calisthentics and have trained in martial arts.
Before this pain developed, pushups and pullups were part of my daily routine, although that
routine was sometimes interrupted for weeks or months at a time due to an intermittent lack of
motivation. I have had extensive massage therapy, including a full course of Rolfing about fifteen
years ago, as treatment for various aches and pains (back, neck, hips, and legs). Since I have
been traveling and living outside of the U.S. for the past ten years or so, I have been unable to
find a competent, all-around therapist, and so I do a kind of self-Rolfing massage using doorjambs
and various implements when I feel the need. I have been able to manage my body pretty well on my
own until this incident.

I think that what brought this on was a vigorous session of chopping wood back around August or
September. Since then I have been experimenting with various combinations of exercise, including
no exercise for a couple of weeks. I did work myself up to a point where I could do seven or eight
pullups with no immediate pain, but there was a continued discomfort that made me think that I
should lay off for a while.

I have also tried applying heat, using aspirin, using a topical anaesthetic, and getting massaged
by a big Bulgarian grandma. As I said, the pain is not chronic, but there seems to be an
underlying injury that is. Relying on a doctor or masseur here is probably not a great idea, as I
don't think that the state of the art is the same here as it is in the States. I don't think there
are any chiropractors. I'm hoping someone can give me some practical suggestions that I can either
implement myself or take with me to a doctor.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:06:18 -0000, "Jay"
<[email hidden]> be sayin':

Quoted message said:

Hi Lance,

I don't claim to be any kind of expert, but I'm not sure why you think the practitioners will be
unsafe where you are. Don't the people there ever suffer from sore shoulders? Wouldn't the local
healers have worked out something that does the job?

This is Bulgaria, not the mysterious Orient. Communism, pollution, industrial diseases.... Most
people just drink to ease their pains.

Quoted message said:

Most of the western massage modalities were picked up by westerners from the 'third world' anyway,
and the adaptations made in the US are more about meeting the anxieties of the medical profession
and lawmakers than clinical effectiveness IMO.

There are enough people in the U.S. who are are open-minded, curious, and willing to experiment so
that sooner or later everything comes out in the wash. It takes a little time, but the results are
better than in countries where time stands still.

Quoted message said:

Find out where the locals go, and who has the rep for doing a good job. Lay off the pull-ups, like
totally, until you are completely pain free, and learn to 'do things' with your other hand to give
the right shoulder a rest. Like I said, just some thoughts. As the business consultants say, my
opnion is probably worth whatever you paid for it ;-).

Thaks for your suggestions. I do appreciate your interest.

Quoted message said:

Jay

"Lance Delacroix" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi folks,

Don't know if this is an appropriate place to post; if it's not, please give me a shove in the
right direction.

I am right-handed and I have a problem with my right arm/shoulder. I can extend my arm fully
forward or laterally, but if I try to raise it upward while extended to the front, I get pain in
the shoulder; ditto if I try to extend it directly upward. I also get pain with an abrupt
extenison in any direction, as in throwing a ball or a punch. If I try to hang from a horizontal
chin-up bar, OUCH!! The pain is so intense that I can't move my arm at all for a minute or so. It
also aches if I lie on that side. The pain itself is not chronic, but it occurs faithfully when I
perform the indicated actions. It feels like the most obviously affected muscle is the
quadriceps, but I feel discomfort all around the shoulder joint.

I'm 53 years old, fairly active, I run and do calisthentics and have trained in martial arts.
Before this pain developed, pushups and pullups were part of my daily routine, although that
routine was sometimes interrupted for weeks or months at a time due to an intermittent lack of
motivation. I have had extensive massage therapy, including a full course of Rolfing about
fifteen years ago, as treatment for various aches and pains (back, neck, hips, and legs). Since I
have been traveling and living outside of the U.S. for the past ten years or so, I have been
unable to find a competent, all-around therapist, and so I do a kind of self-Rolfing massage
using doorjambs and various implements when I feel the need. I have been able to manage my body
pretty well on my own until this incident.

I think that what brought this on was a vigorous session of chopping wood back around August or
September. Since then I have been experimenting with various combinations of exercise, including
no exercise for a couple of weeks. I did work myself up to a point where I could do seven or
eight pullups with no immediate pain, but there was a continued discomfort that made me think
that I should lay off for a while.

I have also tried applying heat, using aspirin, using a topical anaesthetic, and getting massaged
by a big Bulgarian grandma. As I said, the pain is not chronic, but there seems to be an
underlying injury that is. Relying on a doctor or masseur here is probably not a great idea, as I
don't think that the state of the art is the same here as it is in the States. I don't think
there are any chiropractors. I'm hoping someone can give me some practical suggestions that I can
either implement myself or take with me to a doctor.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

On 19 Jan 2004 09:05:40 -0800, [email hidden] (Greg) be
sayin':

Quoted message said:

Being a newbie here, and certainly no doctor, I'm probably way out of my league. But what the hell,
you can always ignore what I say (and maybe should). I've had rotator cuff problems in the past
that have symptoms similar to what you describe. Maybe a good physical therapist?

Just looked up "rotator cuff" on the web. Sounds like a possibility. Thanks for the tip.

Quoted message said:

Lance Delacroix <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Hi folks,

Don't know if this is an appropriate place to post; if it's not, please give me a shove in the
right direction.

I am right-handed and I have a problem with my right arm/shoulder. I can extend my arm fully
forward or laterally, but if I try to raise it upward while extended to the front, I get pain in
the shoulder; ditto if I try to extend it directly upward. I also get pain with an abrupt
extenison in any direction, as in throwing a ball or a punch. If I try to hang from a horizontal
chin-up bar, OUCH!! The pain is so intense that I can't move my arm at all for a minute or so. It
also aches if I lie on that side. The pain itself is not chronic, but it occurs faithfully when I
perform the indicated actions. It feels like the most obviously affected muscle is the
quadriceps, but I feel discomfort all around the shoulder joint.

I'm 53 years old, fairly active, I run and do calisthentics and have trained in martial arts.
Before this pain developed, pushups and pullups were part of my daily routine, although that
routine was sometimes interrupted for weeks or months at a time due to an intermittent lack of
motivation. I have had extensive massage therapy, including a full course of Rolfing about
fifteen years ago, as treatment for various aches and pains (back, neck, hips, and legs). Since I
have been traveling and living outside of the U.S. for the past ten years or so, I have been
unable to find a competent, all-around therapist, and so I do a kind of self-Rolfing massage
using doorjambs and various implements when I feel the need. I have been able to manage my body
pretty well on my own until this incident.

I think that what brought this on was a vigorous session of chopping wood back around August or
September. Since then I have been experimenting with various combinations of exercise, including
no exercise for a couple of weeks. I did work myself up to a point where I could do seven or
eight pullups with no immediate pain, but there was a continued discomfort that made me think
that I should lay off for a while.

I have also tried applying heat, using aspirin, using a topical anaesthetic, and getting massaged
by a big Bulgarian grandma. As I said, the pain is not chronic, but there seems to be an
underlying injury that is. Relying on a doctor or masseur here is probably not a great idea, as I
don't think that the state of the art is the same here as it is in the States. I don't think
there are any chiropractors. I'm hoping someone can give me some practical suggestions that I can
either implement myself or take with me to a doctor.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Don't know what you've already found, but the fact that laying
on that side is painful does bring up the spectre of rotator cuff.
scoi.comcuffdise.htmOpen ↗

Lance Delacroix <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:06:18 -0000, "Jay" <[email hidden]> be sayin':

Quoted message said:

Hi Lance,

I don't claim to be any kind of expert, but I'm not sure why you think

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

practitioners will be unsafe where you are. Don't the people there ever suffer from sore
shoulders? Wouldn't the local healers have worked out something that does the job?

This is Bulgaria, not the mysterious Orient. Communism, pollution, industrial diseases.... Most
people just drink to ease their pains.

Quoted message said:

Most of the western massage modalities were picked up by westerners from the 'third world'
anyway, and the

adaptations

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

made in the US are more about meeting the anxieties of the medical profession and lawmakers than
clinical effectiveness IMO.

There are enough people in the U.S. who are are open-minded, curious, and willing to experiment so
that sooner or later everything comes out in the wash. It takes a little time, but the results are
better than in countries where time stands still.

Quoted message said:

Find out where the locals go, and who has the rep for doing a good job. Lay off the pull-ups,
like totally, until you are completely pain free, and learn to

'do

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

things' with your other hand to give the right shoulder a rest. Like I said, just some thoughts.
As the business consultants say, my opnion is probably worth whatever you paid for it ;-).

Thaks for your suggestions. I do appreciate your interest.

Quoted message said:

Jay

"Lance Delacroix" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi folks,

Don't know if this is an appropriate place to post; if it's not, please give me a shove in the
right direction.

I am right-handed and I have a problem with my right arm/shoulder. I can extend my arm fully
forward or laterally, but if I try to raise it upward while extended to the front, I get pain
in the shoulder; ditto if I try to extend it directly upward. I also get pain with an abrupt
extenison in any direction, as in throwing a ball or a punch. If I try to hang from a
horizontal chin-up bar, OUCH!! The pain is so intense that I can't move my arm at all for a
minute or so. It also aches if I lie on that side. The pain itself is not chronic, but it
occurs faithfully when I perform the indicated actions. It feels like the most obviously
affected muscle is the quadriceps, but I feel discomfort all around the shoulder joint.

I'm 53 years old, fairly active, I run and do calisthentics and have trained in martial arts.
Before this pain developed, pushups and pullups were part of my daily routine, although that
routine was sometimes interrupted for weeks or months at a time due to an intermittent lack of
motivation. I have had extensive massage therapy, including a full course of Rolfing about
fifteen years ago, as treatment for various aches and pains (back, neck, hips, and legs). Since
I have been traveling and living outside of the U.S. for the past ten years or so, I have been
unable to find a competent, all-around therapist, and so I do a kind of self-Rolfing massage
using doorjambs and various implements when I feel the need. I have been able to manage my body
pretty well on my own until this incident.

I think that what brought this on was a vigorous session of chopping wood back around August or
September. Since then I have been experimenting with various combinations of exercise,
including no exercise for a couple of weeks. I did work myself up to a point where I could do
seven or eight pullups with no immediate pain, but there was a continued discomfort that made
me think that I should lay off for a while.

I have also tried applying heat, using aspirin, using a topical anaesthetic, and getting
massaged by a big Bulgarian grandma. As I said, the pain is not chronic, but there seems to be
an underlying injury that is. Relying on a doctor or masseur here is probably not a great idea,
as I don't think that the state of the art is the same here as it is in the States. I don't
think there are any chiropractors. I'm hoping someone can give me some practical suggestions
that I can either implement myself or take with me to a doctor.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:42:39 -0500, "Michael Baugh"
<[email hidden]> be sayin':

Quoted message said:

Don't know what you've already found, but the fact that laying on that side is painful does bring
up the spectre of rotator cuff. scoi.comcuffdise.htmOpen ↗

Sure does. I found quite a bit of stuff and am convinced, for the moment, that that's the problem. I
found some exercises here

chadnicholls.netrotator.htmOpen ↗

For the first exercise, they have you do a 90-degree rotation; with my affected arm, I can only
go about 30 degrees and then I hit the pain and extreme tightness. That's fairly strong
evidence, I think.

There's a very nice diagnostic reference here, if you're interested

physsportsmed.comwolin.htmOpen ↗

Thanks for your help!

Quoted message said:

Lance Delacroix <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:06:18 -0000, "Jay" <[email hidden]> be sayin':

Quoted message said:

Hi Lance,

I don't claim to be any kind of expert, but I'm not sure why you think

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

practitioners will be unsafe where you are. Don't the people there ever suffer from sore
shoulders? Wouldn't the local healers have worked out something that does the job?

This is Bulgaria, not the mysterious Orient. Communism, pollution, industrial diseases.... Most
people just drink to ease their pains.

Quoted message said:

Most of the western massage modalities were picked up by westerners from the 'third world'
anyway, and the

adaptations

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

made in the US are more about meeting the anxieties of the medical profession and lawmakers than
clinical effectiveness IMO.

There are enough people in the U.S. who are are open-minded, curious, and willing to experiment
so that sooner or later everything comes out in the wash. It takes a little time, but the results
are better than in countries where time stands still.

Quoted message said:

Find out where the locals go, and who has the rep for doing a good job. Lay off the pull-ups,
like totally, until you are completely pain free, and learn to

'do

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

things' with your other hand to give the right shoulder a rest. Like I said, just some thoughts.
As the business consultants say, my opnion is probably worth whatever you paid for it ;-).

Thaks for your suggestions. I do appreciate your interest.

Quoted message said:

Jay

"Lance Delacroix" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> Hi folks,
>
> Don't know if this is an appropriate place to post; if it's not, please give me a shove in the
> right direction.
>
> I am right-handed and I have a problem with my right arm/shoulder. I can extend my arm fully
> forward or laterally, but if I try to raise it upward while extended to the front, I get pain
> in the shoulder; ditto if I try to extend it directly upward. I also get pain with an abrupt
> extenison in any direction, as in throwing a ball or a punch. If I try to hang from a
> horizontal chin-up bar, OUCH!! The pain is so intense that I can't move my arm at all for a
> minute or so. It also aches if I lie on that side. The pain itself is not chronic, but it
> occurs faithfully when I perform the indicated actions. It feels like the most obviously
> affected muscle is the quadriceps, but I feel discomfort all around the shoulder joint.
>
> I'm 53 years old, fairly active, I run and do calisthentics and have trained in martial arts.
> Before this pain developed, pushups and pullups were part of my daily routine, although that
> routine was sometimes interrupted for weeks or months at a time due to an intermittent lack of
> motivation. I have had extensive massage therapy, including a full course of Rolfing about
> fifteen years ago, as treatment for various aches and pains (back, neck, hips, and legs).
> Since I have been traveling and living outside of the U.S. for the past ten years or so, I
> have been unable to find a competent, all-around therapist, and so I do a kind of self-Rolfing
> massage using doorjambs and various implements when I feel the need. I have been able to
> manage my body pretty well on my own until this incident.
>
> I think that what brought this on was a vigorous session of chopping wood back around August
> or September. Since then I have been experimenting with various combinations of exercise,
> including no exercise for a couple of weeks. I did work myself up to a point where I could do
> seven or eight pullups with no immediate pain, but there was a continued discomfort that made
> me think that I should lay off for a while.
>
> I have also tried applying heat, using aspirin, using a topical anaesthetic, and getting
> massaged by a big Bulgarian grandma. As I said, the pain is not chronic, but there seems to be
> an underlying injury that is. Relying on a doctor or masseur here is probably not a great
> idea, as I don't think that the state of the art is the same here as it is in the States. I
> don't think there are any chiropractors. I'm hoping someone can give me some practical
> suggestions that I can either implement myself or take with me to a doctor.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks!
>

Quoted message said:

Sure does. I found quite a bit of stuff and am convinced, for the moment, that that's the problem.
I found some exercises here

chadnicholls.netrotator.htmOpen ↗

For the first exercise, they have you do a 90-degree rotation; with my affected arm, I can only
go about 30 degrees and then I hit the pain and extreme tightness. That's fairly strong evidence,
I think.

There's a very nice diagnostic reference here, if you're interested

physsportsmed.comwolin.htmOpen ↗

Another suggestion from this novice: let someone else chop fire wood for a while. Chances are if it
hurts when you're doing something, it is better to avoid doing it. Pain is nature's warning sign.

On 20 Jan 2004 06:17:36 -0800, [email hidden] (Greg) be
sayin':

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sure does. I found quite a bit of stuff and am convinced, for the moment, that that's the
problem. I found some exercises here

chadnicholls.netrotator.htmOpen ↗

For the first exercise, they have you do a 90-degree rotation; with my affected arm, I can only
go about 30 degrees and then I hit the pain and extreme tightness. That's fairly strong evidence,
I think.

There's a very nice diagnostic reference here, if you're interested

physsportsmed.comwolin.htmOpen ↗

Another suggestion from this novice: let someone else chop fire wood for a while.

Hey, no problem there. I was only doing it to show off. ;-)

Guess I showed 'em all. :-))

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Chances are if it hurts when you're doing something, it is better to avoid doing it. Pain is
nature's warning sign.

Lance Delacroix <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi folks,

Don't know if this is an appropriate place to post; if it's not, please give me a shove in the
right direction.

I am right-handed and I have a problem with my right arm/shoulder. I can extend my arm fully
forward or laterally, but if I try to raise it upward while extended to the front, I get pain in
the shoulder; ditto if I try to extend it directly upward. I also get pain with an abrupt
extenison in any direction, as in throwing a ball or a punch. If I try to hang from a horizontal
chin-up bar, OUCH!! The pain is so intense that I can't move my arm at all for a minute or so. It
also aches if I lie on that side. The pain itself is not chronic, but it occurs faithfully when I
perform the indicated actions. It feels like the most obviously affected muscle is the quadriceps,
but I feel discomfort all around the shoulder joint.

I'm 53 years old, fairly active, I run and do calisthentics and have trained in martial arts.
Before this pain developed, pushups and pullups were part of my daily routine, although that
routine was sometimes interrupted for weeks or months at a time due to an intermittent lack of
motivation. I have had extensive massage therapy, including a full course of Rolfing about fifteen
years ago, as treatment for various aches and pains (back, neck, hips, and legs). Since I have
been traveling and living outside of the U.S. for the past ten years or so, I have been unable to
find a competent, all-around therapist, and so I do a kind of self-Rolfing massage using doorjambs
and various implements when I feel the need. I have been able to manage my body pretty well on my
own until this incident.

I think that what brought this on was a vigorous session of chopping wood back around August or
September. Since then I have been experimenting with various combinations of exercise, including
no exercise for a couple of weeks. I did work myself up to a point where I could do seven or eight
pullups with no immediate pain, but there was a continued discomfort that made me think that I
should lay off for a while.

I have also tried applying heat, using aspirin, using a topical anaesthetic, and getting massaged
by a big Bulgarian grandma. As I said, the pain is not chronic, but there seems to be an
underlying injury that is. Relying on a doctor or masseur here is probably not a great idea, as I
don't think that the state of the art is the same here as it is in the States. I don't think there
are any chiropractors. I'm hoping someone can give me some practical suggestions that I can either
implement myself or take with me to a doctor.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Sounds to me like rotator cuff issues, possibly some pec stuff. I believe enough posts already said
to ease up on the stuff that is causing the pain and they would be correct. Start with some
stretching a couple times a day. Use some heat/cold also. You sound very much like a client I had
and we did alot of stretching and myofascial work. I also used essential oils on him and he would
due ice at the end of the day when it had gotten worse. (He teaches Karate) He also used some
ointments between clients. You want to work on keeping inflammation down so ice and if you do/can
use oils of any kind, the safest to try are lavender and peppermint. Ointments at the store are
better then nothing.... tiger balms are easy to get and are good.

Hope that helps some. Do try some massage. You might be surprised with what folks with no school
training as far as what we get here can do.

Tiffany

OT suggestion: when copying from a previous post, you can delete parts that are not applicable,
thereby shortening your own post. Otherwise, your comments end up on the backside of 2 pages of
duplicated text. Call me fussy, but I tend to skip over those rather than expend the "Gobs" of
energy it takes to scroll to the end.

Just my humble opinion

Greg <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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OT suggestion: when copying from a previous post, you can delete parts that are not applicable,
thereby shortening your own post. Otherwise, your comments end up on the backside of 2 pages of
duplicated text. Call me fussy, but I tend to skip over those rather than expend the "Gobs" of
energy it takes to scroll to the end.

Just my humble opinion

I tend to like to make sure people know what I am replying to and I was replying to the whole post,
not just parts.

Just my humble reply. 🙂

T

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Greg <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

OT suggestion: when copying from a previous post, you can delete parts that are not applicable,
thereby shortening your own post. Otherwise, your comments end up on the backside of 2 pages of
duplicated text. Call me fussy, but I tend to skip over those rather than expend the "Gobs" of
energy it takes to scroll to the end.

Just my humble opinion

I tend to like to make sure people know what I am replying to and I was replying to the whole
post, not just parts.

Just my humble reply. 🙂

T

:-)

i am not qualified to diagnose, but it sounds like bursitis ...
orthopedics.about.comshbursitis.htmOpen ↗

cheers!! jc

Lance Delacroix <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi folks,

Don't know if this is an appropriate place to post; if it's not, please give me a shove in the
right direction.

I am right-handed and I have a problem with my right arm/shoulder. I can extend my arm fully
forward or laterally, but if I try to raise it upward while extended to the front, I get pain in
the shoulder; ditto if I try to extend it directly upward. I also get pain with an abrupt
extenison in any direction, as in throwing a ball or a punch. If I try to hang from a horizontal
chin-up bar, OUCH!! The pain is so intense that I can't move my arm at all for a minute or so. It
also aches if I lie on that side. The pain itself is not chronic, but it occurs faithfully when I
perform the indicated actions. It feels like the most obviously affected muscle is the quadriceps,
but I feel discomfort all around the shoulder joint.

I'm 53 years old, fairly active, I run and do calisthentics and have trained in martial arts.
Before this pain developed, pushups and pullups were part of my daily routine, although that
routine was sometimes interrupted for weeks or months at a time due to an intermittent lack of
motivation. I have had extensive massage therapy, including a full course of Rolfing about fifteen
years ago, as treatment for various aches and pains (back, neck, hips, and legs). Since I have
been traveling and living outside of the U.S. for the past ten years or so, I have been unable to
find a competent, all-around therapist, and so I do a kind of self-Rolfing massage using doorjambs
and various implements when I feel the need. I have been able to manage my body pretty well on my
own until this incident.

I think that what brought this on was a vigorous session of chopping wood back around August or
September. Since then I have been experimenting with various combinations of exercise, including
no exercise for a couple of weeks. I did work myself up to a point where I could do seven or eight
pullups with no immediate pain, but there was a continued discomfort that made me think that I
should lay off for a while.

I have also tried applying heat, using aspirin, using a topical anaesthetic, and getting massaged
by a big Bulgarian grandma. As I said, the pain is not chronic, but there seems to be an
underlying injury that is. Relying on a doctor or masseur here is probably not a great idea, as I
don't think that the state of the art is the same here as it is in the States. I don't think there
are any chiropractors. I'm hoping someone can give me some practical suggestions that I can either
implement myself or take with me to a doctor.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!