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Where is the Olympic Park going to be built assuming London wins the bid for the 2012 Games ?
While top class venues can only be a good thing , I hope that the National Cycling Centre
continues to be the number one venue for meetings in the UK, particularly the big international
ones such the

the

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Worlds.

Can we handle two world class venues will one wither and die ?

Dunno, about cycling but the staff at Crystal Palace Sports Centre are waiting to see if they get
redundancy this month, with closure pending in March.

It seems Government prefers high profile new projects, rather than spending a lot less money to keep
existing facilities open.

MSeries said:

Where is the Olympic Park going to be built assuming London wins the bid for the 2012 Games ?
While top class venues can only be a good thing , I hope that the National Cycling Centre
continues to be the number one venue for meetings in the UK, particularly the big international
ones such the the Worlds.

Can we handle two world class venues will one wither and die ?

Manchester is a long way to go for some of us. A new velodrome in London would be fantastic.
Hopefully the extra capacity should give the sport an excuse to get more people into it.

~PB

MSeries said:

Where is the Olympic Park going to be built assuming London wins the bid for the 2012 Games ?

Mostly around Hackney Wick. While I for one - as a resident of East London - would be more than
happy to have some spiffo new facilities, it appears from a map I've seen that the existing Eastway
circuit is to be turned into a facility for hockey. I should be prepared to wager a sizable sum that
there will not be a replacement road circuit built elsewhere.

Bah!

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Frank X said:

Dunno, about cycling but the staff at Crystal Palace Sports Centre are waiting to see if they get
redundancy this month, with closure pending in March.

Is that because the facility is under utilised due to other ones opening ?

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It seems Government prefers high profile new projects, rather than spending a lot less money to
keep existing facilities open.

This is what is starting to worry me about the Olympic Bid.

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Frank X said:

Dunno, about cycling but the staff at Crystal Palace Sports Centre are waiting to see if they
get redundancy this month, with closure pending in March.

Is that because the facility is under utilised due to other ones opening ?

The swimming pool is certainly underused. But that isn't because other ones are opening, I think the
next nearest Olympic swimming pool is in Southhampton.

The main reason it is underused is that very few people realise it is there and they don't
advertise.

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It seems Government prefers high profile new projects, rather than spending a lot less money to
keep existing facilities open.

This is what is starting to worry me about the Olympic Bid.

Well after Wembley, The Dome and the fiasco over Pickets Lock a few years ago, I doubt they will
build a new cycle centre. They will probably just close the existing one.

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Manchester is a long way to go for some of us. A new velodrome in London would be fantastic.

Both venues are a long way for many of us! :-)

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Pete Biggs said:

Manchester is a long way to go for some of us. A new velodrome in London would be fantastic.
Hopefully the extra capacity should give the sport an excuse to get more people into it.

Yes I appreciate that Pete and thats the reason I am getting concerned. Manchester is a 45 minute
drive for me and I am really pleased that Europes best velodrome is so close. I would hate it to
lose out on big international events because another world class facility exists in the south.
Purely personal reasons you understand but often if there is a choice to be made by promoters the
North of England loses out to the South on the grounds of accessibility.

I agree though that the easier it is for athletes to train at such facilities the more World
Champions we will be able to produce.

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Pete Biggs said:

Manchester is a long way to go for some of us. A new velodrome in London would be fantastic.

It's odd, isn't it? Build something in Manchester as a national resource, London will whine it needs
its own. Build something in London as a ``national resource'' and we're all expected to travel. As
with so many other things, clearly in sport the M1 only runs in one direction.

ian

What Pete said. While I sympathise with the northern types (especially as a transplanted northerner
myself), it does seem vaguely silly that there are only three(?) indoor velodromes in the entire
country. Whereas the track on which we raced at the 2000 World HPV championships wasn't even the
best track in Ghent...

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As with so many other things, clearly in sport the M1 only runs in one direction.

Yeah - downhill !

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Ian G Batten said:

Quoted message said:

Manchester is a long way to go for some of us. A new velodrome in London would be fantastic.

It's odd, isn't it? Build something in Manchester as a national resource, London will whine
it needs its own. Build something in London as a ``national resource'' and we're all expected
to travel.

This time it'll be in addition to a northern facility not instead, and the bid is for London
not Mancland. Anyway, we've got no real chance of getting the Olympics in the next thirty
years, have we?

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As with so many other things, clearly in sport the M1 only runs in one direction.

Cycling's not allowed on the M1 in either direction ;-) Some cyclists don't have cars. Amazing but
true. Train fare is £100,000,000 :-(

~PB

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The main reason it is underused is that very few people realise it is there and they don't
advertise.

This is regretably true of local Authority facilities everwhere.

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Pete Biggs said:

MSeries said:

Where is the Olympic Park going to be built assuming London wins the bid for the 2012 Games ?
While top class venues can only be a good thing , I hope that the National Cycling Centre
continues to be the number one venue for meetings in the UK, particularly the big international
ones such the the Worlds.

Can we handle two world class venues will one wither and die ?

Manchester is a long way to go for some of us. A new velodrome in London would be fantastic.
Hopefully the extra capacity should give the sport an excuse to get more people into it.

That's stupid. Manchester is well south of the middle of the island, and is well served with
transport infrastructure. London is a bloody long way to go for some of us, and its transport
infrastructure is chronically overloaded and in disrepair. Considered rationally Manchester is much
better able to cope with an Olympic bid than London is, and as I speak as a Scot I have no axe to
grind for either of them.

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Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

Manchester is a long way to go for some of us. A new velodrome in London would be fantastic.
Hopefully the extra capacity should give the sport an excuse to get more people into it.

That's stupid. Manchester is well south of the middle of the island, and is well served with
transport infrastructure. London is a bloody long way to go for some of us, and its transport
infrastructure is chronically overloaded and in disrepair. Considered rationally Manchester is
much better able to cope with an Olympic bid than London is, and as I speak as a Scot I have no
axe to grind for either of them.

Missed the point. This is about what will happen if London gets the Olympics and the country gets
another major velodrome, not whether London deserves the Olympics more than Manchester. It's too
late for that, isn't it? Manchester has already got a velodrome - which those nearer to can still
attend for various events. I think it'll be great to have another one of that quality anywhere in
the country - but particularly in London for selfish reasons. It's quite logical that we don't put
them all in the middle of England anyway. You can have the next one in Scotland :-)

~PB

Pete Biggs said:

You can have the next one in Scotland :-)

Just get 'em to put a roof on Meadowbank. Problem solved.

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Pete Biggs said:

Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

Manchester is a long way to go for some of us. A new velodrome in London would be fantastic.
Hopefully the extra capacity should give the sport an excuse to get more people into it.

That's stupid. Manchester is well south of the middle of the island, and is well served with
transport infrastructure. London is a bloody long way to go for some of us, and its transport
infrastructure is chronically overloaded and in disrepair. Considered rationally Manchester is
much better able to cope with an Olympic bid than London is, and as I speak as a Scot I have no
axe to grind for either of them.

Missed the point. This is about what will happen if London gets the Olympics and the country gets
another major velodrome, not whether London deserves the Olympics more than Manchester. It's too
late for that, isn't it? Manchester has already got a velodrome - which those nearer to can still
attend for various events. I think it'll be great to have another one of that quality anywhere in
the country - but particularly in London for selfish reasons. It's quite logical that we don't put
them all in the middle of England anyway. You can have the next one in Scotland :-)

We've got one, ta. Mind you, it's outdoor.

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Pete Biggs said:

Ian G Batten said:

Quoted message said:

Manchester is a long way to go for some of us. A new velodrome in London would be fantastic.

It's odd, isn't it? Build something in Manchester as a national
resource, London will whine it needs its own. Build something in
London as a ``national resource'' and we're all expected to travel.

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This time it'll be in addition to a northern facility not instead, and the bid is for London not
Mancland. Anyway, we've got no real chance of getting the Olympics in the next thirty years,
have we?

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As with so many other things, clearly in sport the M1 only runs in one direction.

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Cycling's not allowed on the M1 in either direction ;-)

Nor on the M61, though two members of the Kenyan cycle team in Manchester for the Commonwealth games
didn't know that.

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Pete Biggs said:

Cycling's not allowed on the M1 in either direction ;-)

I have actually seen someone cycling on the M1 Southbound near Leeds.

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Brooke said:

You can have the next one in Scotland :-)

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We've got one, ta. Mind you, it's outdoor.

And they call it Cumbrae :-))

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