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What the best way to get up an hill (road bike)?

When I started cycling I read somewhere to stay in your saddle

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Now I have mastered this - although I do feel I could get up the hills faster out of the saddle,
sitting gives a more controlled ride, and encourages you to pull up - where as standing seems to
encourage downward power - but would seem to be faster ?

Many issues and many different individuals. Pantani climbs seated for a while then standing for a
while, gives those muscles a change. Heart rate may be a tad higher standing.

Bottomline is you have to discover what works best for you as an an individual.

jon isaacs

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What the best way to get up an hill (road bike)?

When I started cycling I read somewhere to stay in your saddle

Now I have mastered this - although I do feel I could get up the hills faster out of the saddle,
sitting gives a more controlled ride, and encourages you to pull up - where as standing seems to
encourage downward power - but would seem to be faster ?

Sitting is slightly more cardio-vascular efficient. Standing uses slightly different muscles. Many
people stand for part of a long climb to change the muscle loading, some climb entirely seated, a
few entirely standing. I don't think there's a right or wrong way, it's a personal thing.

i remember watching the tour de france in 2001 (i think) and they interviewed jan ulrich about
armstrong. ulrich (who climbs mainly seated - i think) said that if he tried to climb like armstrong
(ie out of the saddle) his heart rate went up 10bpm without any increase in speed. so i think the
answer is its whatever works best for u.

panda

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What the best way to get up an hill (road bike)?

When I started cycling I read somewhere to stay in your saddle

Now I have mastered this - although I do feel I could get up the hills faster out of the saddle,
sitting gives a more controlled ride, and encourages you to pull up - where as standing seems to
encourage downward power - but would seem to be faster ?

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Panda is very correct, it is what works for you. I stand allot more than most folks, but just for
periods. When I stand I usually upshift, slow down my cadence and maintain about the same speed.
Yes my heart rate goes up but when I sit back down I usually stay in that gear and then
accelerate a tad.

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i remember watching the tour de france in 2001 (i think) and they interviewed jan ulrich about
armstrong. ulrich (who climbs mainly seated -

i

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think) said that if he tried to climb like armstrong (ie out of the

saddle)

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his heart rate went up 10bpm without any increase in speed. so i think the answer is its whatever
works best for u.

panda

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Quoted message said:

What the best way to get up an hill (road bike)?

When I started cycling I read somewhere to stay in your saddle

Now I have mastered this - although I do feel I could get up the hills faster out of the saddle,
sitting gives a more controlled ride, and encourages you to pull up - where as standing seems to
encourage

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power - but would seem to be faster ?

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Quoted message said:

What the best way to get up an hill (road bike)?

When I started cycling I read somewhere to stay in your saddle

Now I have mastered this - although I do feel I could get up the hills faster out of the saddle,
sitting gives a more controlled ride, and encourages you to pull up - where as standing seems to
encourage downward power - but would seem to be faster ?

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Staying in the saddle is the most efficient way to ride.

However, I don't always do that. When I am climbing for more than about 20 minutes I need to stand
to stretch my legs and back. I also seem to be able to catch my breath slightly. And I also shift up
a gear or two while standing, shifting back when I sit back down.

Tom

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Staying in the saddle is the most efficient way to ride.

However, I don't always do that. When I am climbing for more than about 20 minutes I need to stand
to stretch my legs and back. I also seem to be able to catch my breath slightly. And I also shift
up a gear or two while standing, shifting back when I sit back down.

Sitting for long periods of time when crawling in a low gear also creates pressure on your tail bone
(and other things rubbing your saddle). Standing helps get your blood flowing again, reducing
friction and numbness. Mixing sitting and standing will also get you to the top of the hill faster.

Ken

I agree with the other posters concerning standing versus seated when climbing - it depends on what
you personally prefer.

However, if you try standing and it doesn't work for you the first time, don't immediately abandon
it. You still have to train to have the ability to stand and withstand the changes in muscle use and
heartrate. I imagine that Ullrich has never really trained in a standing position while climbing,
and maybe never even had the need or interest.

I know the Armstrong trains the ability to climb standing and seated. It doesn't automatically work.

Corey

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What the best way to get up an hill (road bike)?

When I started cycling I read somewhere to stay in your saddle

Now I have mastered this - although I do feel I could get up the hills faster out of the saddle,
sitting gives a more controlled ride, and encourages you to pull up - where as standing seems to
encourage downward power - but would seem to be faster ?

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Quoted message said:

What the best way to get up an hill (road bike)?

When I started cycling I read somewhere to stay in your saddle

Now I have mastered this - although I do feel I could get up the hills faster out of the saddle,
sitting gives a more controlled ride, and encourages you to pull up - where as standing seems to
encourage downward power - but would seem to be faster ?

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If you are Jobst Brandt ;-) or have been riding the Alps since you were a wee lad, stand up. If you
are a mere mortal like Lance or Jan sitting down works too. Sitting down may require somewhat lower
gearing. Mashing is not good on the knees. If you are not racing do what feels comfortable, remember
a lot of advice is written by folks training for racing, non racers can just listen to their bodies.

Scott G. Remember the knees you save, may be your own.

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If you are Jobst Brandt ;-) or have been riding the Alps since you were a wee lad, stand up. If
you are a mere mortal like Lance or Jan sitting down works too.

Jan sits down almost all the time. That's why everytime Lance stands up, he easily dumps Jan.
Standing allows you to generate alot more power than sitting, but more power requires more energy,
especially for heavier riders.

Peter Rollason said:

What the best way to get up an hill (road bike)?

Depends how you define "best."

Seated is more efficient. Standing is faster but more tiring.

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When I started cycling I read somewhere to stay in your saddle

Now I have mastered this - although I do feel I could get up the hills faster out of the saddle,
sitting gives a more controlled ride, and encourages you to pull up - where as standing seems to
encourage downward power - but would seem to be faster ?

That's correct.

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Peter Rollason said:

What the best way to get up an hill (road bike)?

Depends how you define "best."

Best for me means a balance between speed and comfort (legs and lungs). Switching often between
seated and standing works well for me to balance the two. Rarely do I see someone doing one or the
other exclusively, but if my cadence drops below about 60, I will stand exclusively. Turning cranks
in the saddle up a hill at a low cadence is uncomfortable, while the same cadence is quite
comfortable while standing.
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What the best way to get up an hill (road bike)?

When I started cycling I read somewhere to stay in your saddle

Now I have mastered this - although I do feel I could get up the hills faster out of the saddle,
sitting gives a more controlled ride, and encourages you to pull up - where as standing seems to
encourage downward power - but would seem to be faster ?

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i prefer to mix it up but changes in gradient and wind can affect the way you climb.i went over
snake pass in Derbyshire UK in driving hailstone 2 weeks ago and it was impossible to stay
seated.that ride was very character building indeed !!

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What the best way to get up an hill (road bike)?

We've got an article on climbing on our website, at-

chainreaction.comhills.htmOpen ↗

It doesn't much address the issue of standing vs sitting though. In general, you'll be more
efficient while sitting, and you'll run considerably less risk of going anaerobic. You'll also find
it easier to breathe at a "natural" pace while seated; when standing, one tends to syncronize their
breathing with their pedal stroke, and that's *not* a good thing. The key, even while standing, is
to be relaxed, and part of that involves breathing deeper and more slowly, as opposed to breathing
shallow and gasping for breath.

However... even though it may be more efficient being seated, it's generally not a good idea to
remain in the saddle on a long, hard climb. Best to stand up once in a while and stretch yourself
out a bit. Otherwise, you may find that your back begins to talk to you (and when your back talks to
you, it's rarely a pleasant conversation). Maybe stand up and move around a bit on the bike every
mile or so and you'll find yourself able to ride longer without difficulty.

But, having said that, if I'm out of shape (frequently the case) and trying to get up a big hill as
fast as possible, I need to force myself to stay in the saddle. Every time I stand up I find my
speed dropping quite a bit when I sit back down, well below where it would have been had I stayed
seated... and it takes a bit of time to recover from the anaerobic spurt, so your speed doesn't come
back up as quickly as you'd like.

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What the best way to get up an hill (road bike)?

When I started cycling I read somewhere to stay in your saddle

Quoted message said:

Now I have mastered this - although I do feel I could get up the hills faster out of the saddle,
sitting gives a more controlled ride, and encourages you to pull up - where as standing seems to
encourage downward power - but would seem to be faster ?

Many issues and many different individuals. Pantani climbs seated for a

while

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then standing for a while, gives those muscles a change. Heart rate may

be a

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tad higher standing.

Bottomline is you have to discover what works best for you as an an

individual.

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jon isaacs

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But, having said that, if I'm out of shape (frequently the case) and trying to get up a big hill as
fast as possible, I need to force myself to stay in the saddle. Every time I stand up I find my
speed dropping quite a bit when I sit back down, well below where it would have been had I stayed
seated... and it takes a bit of time to recover from the anaerobic spurt, so your speed doesn't
come back up as quickly as you'd like.

I have had some similar experiences but found climbing out of the saddle a lot easier when I learned
reduce the cadence a lot. Now I often shift 3-4 cogs from the low end of a 13-26 9spd cluster when I
stand up for a stretch. (That's a stretch, not a sprint for the top!) Before I only shifted 1-2 cogs
to stand up.

The point is to keep from red-lining your engine by spinning too fast while standing. I try to keep
the effort the same as when seated. The HRM helps tell you if you got it right. I don't worry about
the speed as much as my ability to stand up without increasing my effort.

When seated I tend to be a fast spinner which I think encouraged me to have a standing cadence
that was too fast - if the gear is too low when you stand, it's just a lot more work, this is
somewhat counter-intuitive for a die-hard spinner. Also, having ridden 5-7 speed clusters for many
years, I learned to "shift up one" when I stand to climb. But now the gearing jumps are smaller
(eg, 9-speed cassette with the same range as your old 6-speed freewheel) so that learned behavior
is no longer correct.

--Paul

I have a friend that doesn't even have a saddle on his bike so he is always standing. Since he is
always standing, he can't spin so his large ring is a 60 tooth. Works for him as he commutes to work
every day regardless of the weather.

Cy Galley - Webmaster www.qcbc.org

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What the best way to get up an hill (road bike)?

When I started cycling I read somewhere to stay in your saddle

Now I have mastered this - although I do feel I could get up the hills faster out of the saddle,
sitting gives a more controlled ride, and encourages you to pull up - where as standing seems to
encourage

downward

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power - but would seem to be faster ?

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i prefer to mix it up but changes in gradient and wind can affect the way you climb.i went over
snake pass in Derbyshire UK in driving hailstone 2 weeks ago and it was impossible to stay
seated.that ride was very

character

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building indeed !!

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I have had some similar experiences but found climbing out

of the

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saddle a lot easier when I learned reduce the cadence a

lot. Now

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I often shift 3-4 cogs from the low end of a 13-26 9spd

cluster

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when I stand up for a stretch. (That's a stretch, not a

sprint for

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the top!) Before I only shifted 1-2 cogs to stand up.

That's what I do too -- shift up 3 gears and stand. On steep, bumpy climbs off road, I frequently
stand over the bumpier bits, leaving the rear cogs the same but shifting between the small and
middle chainrings (which is about three gears' worth too).

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The point is to keep from red-lining your engine by

spinning too

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fast while standing. I try to keep the effort the same as

when

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seated. The HRM helps tell you if you got it right. I

don't worry

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about the speed as much as my ability to stand up without

increasing

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my effort.

I don't use an HRM, but that's exactly what I feel.

Matt O.