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  1. For those of you who don't read The Spectator, here's Mr Smith's response to having his reputation
    as a "serious researcher and road-safety campaigner" so sullied.

    The statements attributed to me by Ross Clark (‘Speed cameras are good for you’, 10 January) are not
    a true or fair representation of my position. These statements first appeared in the Times on 16
    December 2003 and are the subject of a complaint (PCC ref: 033602). In particular, no credible or
    serious death threats had been made against Mary Williams. The comments referred to were later
    described by the police as follows: ‘The comments made did not constitute a threat to kill and no
    further action will be taken.’ Ben Webster (Times journalist) was fully aware that my statement
    depended entirely on contextual factors:
    a) I didn’t believe for a second that the ‘death threats’ were serious.
    b) I’m aware that many of the users of the Pistonheads site believe (as I do) that speed-camera
    policy is causing a great deal of loss of life.
    c) To make joke threats about Mary Williams is indeed a mild reaction considering that she is vocal
    in support of a policy which is responsible for much loss of life. I am extremely sorry that you
    have been caught up in this, and I quite understand that you are entirely innocent victims of
    incorrect information published elsewhere, but my reputation, as a serious researcher and road-
    safety campaigner, is important to me and I must defend it.

    Paul Smith www.safespeed.org.uk

  2. Not Responding said:

    For those of you who don't read The Spectator, here's Mr Smith's response to having his reputation
    as a "serious researcher and road-safety campaigner" so sullied.

    Sorry, I couldn't resist it:

    "Sir,

    I note that Paul Smith of SafeSpeed has asked for a correction on the grounds that "my reputation,
    as a serious researcher and road-safety campaigner, is important to me and I must defend it."

    He might like to start by removing from his website the page in which someone claiming to be him
    asserts that we could have the same level of road fatalities with a rigidly applied 12mph speed
    limit. An idea of such staggering stupidity advanced in the name of any serious road safety
    researcher would, after all, be a fatal blow to their credibility.

    Especially if it misrepresented the work of an internationally respected researcher in a way which
    previously prompted a request for removal of all references to his name."

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

  3. PS quote:

    Quoted message said:

    b) I’m aware that many of the users of the Pistonheads site believe (as I do) that speed-camera
    policy is causing a great deal of loss of life.

    The phrase I'm thinking of rhymes with "cooking fat".

  4. Quoted message said:

    PS quote:

    Quoted message said:

    b) I’m aware that many of the users of the Pistonheads site believe (as I do) that speed-camera
    policy is causing a great deal of loss of life.

    The phrase I'm thinking of rhymes with "cooking fat".

    And in relation to said PS quote, here was me just thinking of the term "[censored]"

    Cheers, helen s ;-)

    --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove dependency on fame &
    fortune h*$el*$$e**nd***$o$ts***i*$*$m**m$$o*n**s@$*$a$$o**l.c**$*$om$$

  5. dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:
    Quoted message said:

    PS quote:

    Quoted message said:

    b) I'm aware that many of the users of the Pistonheads site believe (as I do) that speed-camera
    policy is causing a great deal of loss of life.

    The phrase I'm thinking of rhymes with "cooking fat".

    And in relation to said PS quote, here was me just thinking of the term "[censored]"

    Nah, doesn't rhyme ;-)

    Tony

  6. On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:57:15 +0000, Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    b) I’m aware that many of the users of the Pistonheads site believe (as I do) that speed-camera
    policy is causing a great deal of loss of life.

    The phrase I'm thinking of rhymes with "cooking fat".

    Looking at? Silly prat? Full of fat?

    Sorry, Zog, I can't get it. Let's just agree and say that PS is a f***ing t**t.

    James

    --
    "Sorry mate, I didn't see you" is not a satisfactory excuse.

  7. "[Not Responding]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    b) I'm aware that many of the users of the Pistonheads site believe (as I do) that speed-camera
    policy is causing a great deal of loss of life.
    c) To make joke threats about Mary Williams is indeed a mild reaction considering that she is
    vocal in support of a policy which is responsible for much loss of life.

    " I know a road not far from here (60 limit) where I could expect to use 150mph in complete safety
    in good conditions" Paul Smith

    Not the words of a road safety campaigner, never mind the misuse of stats that gets him to his crazy
    conclusions.

  8. Quoted message said:

    " I know a road not far from here (60 limit) where I could expect to use 150mph in complete safety
    in good conditions" Paul Smith

    Not the words of a road safety campaigner, never mind the misuse of stats that gets him to his
    crazy conclusions.

    Where excatly does the PS quote above originate from - I could use it in a letter to the editor of
    the Norfolk newspaper which has an article supporting
    PS

    Cheers, helen s

    --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove dependency on fame &
    fortune h*$el*$$e**nd***$o$ts***i*$*$m**m$$o*n**s@$*$a$$o**l.c**$*$om$$

  9. In "]news:[email hidden],
    W K <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:

    "[Not Responding]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    b) I'm aware that many of the users of the Pistonheads site believe (as I do) that speed-camera
    policy is causing a great deal of loss of life.
    c) To make joke threats about Mary Williams is indeed a mild reaction considering that she is
    vocal in support of a policy which is responsible for much loss of life.

    " I know a road not far from here (60 limit) where I could expect to use 150mph in complete safety
    in good conditions" Paul Smith

    Presumably it has a gravel trap, etc, etc, in case of mechanical failure. Still, that's not complete
    safety, it's just what most places where you can drive 150mph have.

  10. On 16 Jan 2004 16:18:26 GMT, [email hidden]

    (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) said:

    Where excatly does the PS quote above originate from

    <http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=nhbiqv4ungkedna7s51r16m54q74qdn62k%404ax.com>

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

  11. On 16 Jan 2004 16:18:26 GMT, [email hidden]

    (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) said:

    Where excatly does the PS quote above originate from - I could use it in a letter to the editor of
    the Norfolk newspaper which has an article supporting
    PS

    In my view the best way to expose him for the loony he is is to refer to the 12mph page. Second
    best may be to expose the statistical gymnastics in his "cameras cost lives" argument, including
    the fact that the loss of trend he is so worked up about is visible only on those roads least
    likely to have cameras.

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

  12. "dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    " I know a road not far from here (60 limit) where I could expect to use 150mph in complete
    safety in good conditions" Paul Smith

    Not the words of a road safety campaigner, never mind the misuse of stats that gets him to his
    crazy conclusions.

    Where excatly does the PS quote above originate from

    its a usenet quote, can be found on google. There are others, including that it is "perfectly safe"
    to test out your car's top speed on a motorway.

    I'd worry about using that, as it shows an embarrasing amount of time on newsgroups.

    You could just state it without attributions, would be good to have him argue about it.

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