Lord's Rake

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I see that reports on Lord's Rake still say that it is too dangerous to climb due to an impending
rock-fall. Bummer - I was planning to climb it on my next visit just before the bloody rock fall
happened. What about the authorities (or indeed someone without authority!) using explosives
dislodge the loose stuff and make it passable again? Controversial? Opinions please!

AIUI it's not just an impending rock fall that's the problem. There's the small matter of a
potential fissure opening up.
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On 13 Jan 2004 14:15:57 -0800, [email hidden] (Richard C)

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I see that reports on Lord's Rake still say that it is too dangerous to climb due to an impending
rock-fall. Bummer - I was planning to climb it on my next visit just before the bloody rock fall
happened. What about the authorities (or indeed someone without authority!) using explosives
dislodge the loose stuff and make it passable again? Controversial? Opinions please!

The trouble is that argument can be extended all the way to handrails and steps up there. A very
slippery slope indeed (pun intended)

Also it's not just one rock - there is a few hundred tons ready to come off the West wall traverse
when I looked last time I was up there. If you are careful then you will *probably* get up there
safely. You might die of course but life would be boring without a few risks....
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I see that reports on Lord's Rake still say that it is too dangerous to climb due to an impending
rock-fall. Bummer - I was planning to climb it on my next visit just before the bloody rock fall
happened. What about the authorities (or indeed someone without authority!) using explosives
dislodge the loose stuff and make it passable again? Controversial? Opinions please!

Which is the best, or nicest, detour from Scafell Pike to Wasdale Head avoiding Lord's Rake ?

greetings from Theo

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I see that reports on Lord's Rake still say that it is too dangerous to climb due to an impending
rock-fall. Bummer - I was planning to climb it on my next visit just before the bloody rock fall
happened. What about the authorities (or indeed someone without authority!) using explosives
dislodge the loose stuff and make it passable again? Controversial? Opinions please!

Which is the best, or nicest, detour from Scafell Pike to Wasdale Head avoiding Lord's Rake ?

The most interesting is probably towards the Col with Lingmell and then along the 'Corridor Route'
which leads to Sty Head (lots of splendid rock scenery), then down the either the obvious route or
via the old pony track zig-zags, both under the S. face of Great Gable. Of course you could make a
big trip of it and traverse gable & Kirk Fell while you are at it!

The route via Brown Tongue might be faster but is IMHO much less interesting and scenic.

Wainright also shows a thin path alongside Piers Gill - I can't remember if I've been along there,
and if I have it was a *long* time ago! I suspect this is somewhat shorter than the Corridor Route
but you have to diverge (to the left) at the right point, just after crossing the top of Piers Gill.

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Which is the best, or nicest, detour from Scafell Pike to Wasdale Head avoiding Lord's Rake ?

If you want to get to Scafell then Foxes Tarn is about the only choice. (Broad Stand is not really
for walkers.) However, once you've got to Scafell the onward route to Wasdale Head is relatively
uninteresting - down the northwest flank towards Wasdale or Burnmoor; but you can follow the ridge
as far as Slight Side. (Last time I was there I went up by Slight Side, and descended a comfortable
distance to the west of Scafell Crag. I can't remember whether there's any potential problems with
boulder holes.)

The easiest route back to Wasdale Head from Scafell Pikes is probably to go to the Lingmell Col
and then turn left. Another, longer, alternative is to cross the plateau (detouring to Broad Crag,
Ill Crag and Great End to taste) to Esk Hause, and then descending past Sprinkling Tarn and Sty
Hard Tarn.
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:37:16 GMT, [email hidden] (Chris

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(Richard C) said:

I see that reports on Lord's Rake still say that it is too dangerous to climb due to an impending
rock-fall. Bummer - I was planning to climb it on my next visit just before the bloody rock fall
happened. What about the authorities (or indeed someone without authority!) using explosives
dislodge the loose stuff and make it passable again? Controversial? Opinions please!

The trouble is that argument can be extended all the way to handrails and steps up there. A very
slippery slope indeed (pun intended)

Also it's not just one rock - there is a few hundred tons ready to come off the West wall traverse
when I looked last time I was up there. If you are careful then you will *probably* get up there
safely. You might die of course but life would be boring without a few risks....

I seem to recall that when we did the West Wall Traverse on Expedition whateveritwas (2?) the rock
in the bed of the gully looked pretty fresh.

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Which is the best, or nicest, detour from Scafell Pike to Wasdale Head avoiding Lord's Rake ?

Is that what you mean? From Scafell you can only really descend the Green Tongue slopes to the
Corpse Road, easy but rather dull. Other than that its Foxes Tarn and back up (400ft(?)) to
Scafell Pike and on to Wasdale Head by Corridor Route (good) or over Great End to Esk Hause (also
good but longer)
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Jhimmy said:

Someone took a photo of the (almost) entire length of the Rake as we were climbing, but can't
remember who took it or from which web site it was from. Might be interesting to find that
pic again.

This one?

wildsnowdonia.co.uklakes23.htmOpen ↗

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I use the OSmap 1:25000. The exact location of Lord's Rake isn't quite clear on this map. When we
go SW from Scafell Pike for 800 meters, then turn SE for 400m(Broad Stand) and then go W for 600m
to Scafell, will there be any problem on our route ?

On the map, under the letters Lord's Rake, is a line of dashes indicating a path. That I assume to
be the line of Lord's Rake.

The route you describe is that via Foxes Tarn. It was a bit rough last time I travelled it, but I
think it's been improved since. (Last time I was on the top of Scafell I could see a made path
descending in that direction.) You descend W of SW from Scafell Pike until you reach the col at
Mickledore. Forward progress is then prevented by the buttress of Broad Stand, and you turn SE under
the line of crags. You don't turn directly W for Scafell, but first SW for Foxes Tarn (marked on the
map), and then NW to the col between Symonds Knott and the summit of Scafell, and then SW to the
summit. The line of the path is marked on the map, but with all the markings from crags and boulder
fields it's easier to see with a magnifying glass. The marked line of the path from Mickledore
follows the stream, rather than the base of the crags, and initially heads WNW along a tributary for
about 100m, rather than directly SW for Foxes Tarn. I suspect that you might find additional paths
on the ground.

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We are experienced walkers and I am an experienced scrambler with 12 kilo rucksacks.

Assuming no problems with snow cover (which is now rare in the Lake District in April) or the like,
you shouldn't have any trouble with the Foxes Tarn route, assuming no navigation problems leading to
you getting tangled up in the crags (or descending into Eskdale). I don't know how obvious the path
is; as I said it seems to have been improved since I last used it (1972, IIRC).
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Following up to theo

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Which is the best, or nicest, detour from Scafell Pike to Wasdale Head avoiding Lord's Rake ?

Is that what you mean? From Scafell you can only really descend the Green Tongue slopes to the
Corpse Road, easy but rather dull. Other than that its Foxes Tarn and back up (400ft(?)) to
Scafell Pike and on to Wasdale Head by Corridor Route (good) or over Great End to Esk Hause (also
good but longer)
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Hello Mike,

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough. Scafell and Scafell Pike are part of a 6-day tour we are making
in the Lakedistrict in april. Day 5 : Honister Pass-Grey Knotts-Brandreth-Green Gable-Great Gable-
Sty Head-Esk Hause-Great End-Broad Crag-Scafell Pike-Scafell-Green How-Wasdale Head(campsite). I use
the OSmap 1:25000. The exact location of Lord's Rake isn't quite clear on this map. When we go SW
from Scafell Pike for 800 meters, then turn SE for 400m(Broad Stand) and then go W for 600m to
Scafell, will there be any problem on our route ? We are experienced walkers and I am an experienced
scrambler with 12 kilo rucksacks. Thank you for your help.

Bye bye from Theo

theo wrote on Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:01:58 +0100....

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I use the OSmap 1:25000. The exact location of Lord's Rake isn't quite clear on this map.

It's west of Broad Stand, starting at about grid ref 208069. It's marked on my 1:25,000 OS Outdoor
Leisure 6, but rather obscured by crag markings. It's clearer on the Harvey's map of Lakeland West,
which has an enlarged section at 1:12,500 of the summit area of Scafell and Scafell Pike.

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When we go SW from Scafell Pike for 800 meters, then turn SE for 400m(Broad Stand) and then go W
for 600m to Scafell, will there be any problem on our route ?

This sounds like the Foxes Tarn route. It's the easiest route from Scafell to Scafell Pike (probably
the only sensible route nowadays!) and you shouldn't have any problems.

If you follow the main paths marked on the map, it does involve a fair amount of descent and then
reascent between Mickledore and Foxes Tarn. (Mickledore is the col between Scafell Pike and Scafell,
at the foot of Broad Stand, where the mountain rescue kit is marked on the OS map.)

If you can find it, there is a little path which bypasses a fair amount of the descent and reascent.
It's indistinct and a little scrambly, but nothing very serious as long as you are sure-footed. It
traverses under the cliff face from a little way below Broad Stand to just below Foxes Tarn. I've
only ever used it in the opposite direction to the way you're going, so I can't say exactly how to
find it. But try staying close to the Broad Stand cliff face, on your right as you descend south-
west from Mickledore. Then look to your right when the cliffs turn south away from the main path.

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We are experienced walkers and I am an experienced scrambler with 12 kilo rucksacks.

If all of you really are experienced scramblers, there's always Broad Stand itself! However, this is
a serious undertaking; there have been lots of accidents. (There is a reason for the mountain rescue
kit being close at hand!) I've done a fair amount scrambling, but I've never attempted Broad Stand,
and I wouldn't do so unless I had a rope and a leader who was significantly more experienced using
it than me!

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Yup, that's the one, Dave, must have been Chris who took it as he was doing his (leadering duties)
at the very back...cough cough....say no more...let's forget about the experience.

Jhimmy.

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Someone took a photo of the (almost) entire length of the Rake as we

were

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climbing, but can't remember who took it or from which web site it was from. Might be
interesting to find that pic again.

This one?

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theo wrote on Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:01:58 +0100....

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I use the OSmap 1:25000. The exact location of Lord's Rake isn't quite

clear

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on this map.

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If you can find it, there is a little path which bypasses a fair amount of the descent and
reascent. It's indistinct and a little scrambly, but nothing very serious as long as you are sure-
footed. It traverses under the cliff face from a little way below Broad Stand to just below Foxes
Tarn. I've only ever used it in the opposite direction to the way you're going, so I can't say
exactly how to find it. But try staying close to the Broad Stand cliff face, on your right as you
descend south-west from Mickledore. Then look to your right when the cliffs turn south away from
the main path.

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We are experienced walkers and I am an experienced scrambler with 12

kilo

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rucksacks.

If all of you really are experienced scramblers, there's always Broad Stand itself! However, this
is a serious undertaking; there have been lots of accidents. (There is a reason for the mountain
rescue kit being close at hand!) I've done a fair amount scrambling, but I've never attempted
Broad Stand, and I wouldn't do so unless I had a rope and a leader who was significantly more
experienced using it than me!

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Thank you very much for your advise. It will surely help us choosing the right route, especially in
difficult wetherconditions. Normally I scramble in the Highlands. Aonach Eagach, Liathach, Cuillin,
Buachaille Etive Mor(Curved Ridge). Not in winterconditions though and they say you only know the
mountains if you can climb them safely in severe winterconditions.

Thanks again and bye bye from Theo

Tim Jackson wrote on Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:00:17 -0000....

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But try staying close to the Broad Stand cliff face, on your right as you descend south-west from
Mickledore.

That should read "on your right as you descend **south-east** from Mickledore". Sorry.

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Following up to theo

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I use the OSmap 1:25000. The exact location of Lord's Rake isn't quite clear on this map. When we
go SW from Scafell Pike for 800 meters, then turn SE for 400m(Broad Stand) and then go W for 600m
to Scafell, will there be any problem on our route ? We are experienced walkers and I am an
experienced scrambler with 12 kilo rucksacks.

Nobody can say if Broad Stand is OK for you, for most it isnt. Foxes Tarn detour is only a few
hundred more feet and not unpleasant, so I would go that way.
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Following up to theo

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I use the OSmap 1:25000. The exact location of Lord's Rake isn't quite clear on this map. When we
go SW from Scafell Pike for 800 meters, then turn SE for 400m(Broad Stand) and then go W for 600m
to Scafell, will there be any problem on our route ?

Sorry , I misread your question, yes, Broad stand is a problem, turn "left" and down to go via Foxes
Tarn, go "right" and across on iffy ground for Lords Rake, see webpage for picture of the area,
taken from Hollow Stones area
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Following up to theo

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I use the OSmap 1:25000. The exact location of Lord's Rake isn't quite

clear

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on this map. When we go SW from Scafell Pike for 800 meters, then turn SE for 400m(Broad Stand)
and then go W for 600m to Scafell, will there be

any

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problem on our route ?

I should have written : then turn SE for 400m(underneath Broad Stand) and ..... It's easier to talk
face to face with the map in front off you. Modern computer conversations have their disadvantages.
(Imagine someone from Holland coming to the Lakedistrict 30 years ago who only read 5 sentences in a
touristbook!)

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Sorry , I misread your question, yes, Broad stand is a problem, turn "left" and down to go via
Foxes Tarn, go "right" and across on iffy ground for Lords Rake, see webpage for picture of the
area, taken from Hollow Stones area
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The site has been very helpfull, thank you very much !

Theo