Memory Map and 3D

Dave Moore said:

(Error: 314)' and then goes on to say that I need to install directX. Installing directX doesn't
make the slightest difference!!.

Quoted message said:

Any ideas?.

Which version of DirectX does it tell you to install? Installing an older version is no use. It's up
to 9.1 now.

Paul
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I ordered a free demo CD from Memory Map and it arrived within a week.

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Only problem it comes with 1:50 and 1:25 maps of Swansea. I can't think of anyone here who would
want free 3D map of Swansea, can you!!!

Cheers

Andy

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Hi All, Has anyone got the 'demo version' downloadable from the web to successfully display 3D
images?. When I try I just get a message saying

that

Quoted message said:

'this computer is not able to display the 3D image (Error: 314)' and then goes on to say that I
need to install directX. Installing directX doesn't make the slightest difference!!. The 2D stuff
works fine. The 3D images of Wasdale in the recent walking mags look pretty

impressive.

Quoted message said:

Any ideas?.

Ta, Dave

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Quoted message said:

Has anyone got the 'demo version' downloadable from the web to
successfully display 3D images?. When I try I just get a message saying

that

Quoted message said:

'this computer is not able to display the 3D image (Error: 314)' and then goes on to say that I
need to install directX. Installing directX doesn't make the slightest difference!!. The 2D stuff
works fine. The 3D images of Wasdale in the recent walking mags look pretty

impressive.

Yes, downloaded it a couple of weeks ago and it works OK. Quite interesting seeing a 3D version
of the map.

--
Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still brings
the same excitement'

Probably video card memory shortage, not DirectX. I have one machine - WinXP Pro with 9.0b but only
2meg video memory that will not display 3D images, and one with 32meg that will.

Remember that 2003 maps can be made to work in 2004 (with working 3d) by opening the qct map file
with a hex editor and changing the 2002 or 3 Crown Copyright date to 2004. (remember to backup file
first if you don't have the CD to hand). Memory Map 2004 will work with the 2003 serial codes - it
installs in a new directory so does not overwrite.

"Dave Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi All, Has anyone got the 'demo version' downloadable from the web to successfully display 3D
images?. When I try I just get a message saying

that

Quoted message said:

'this computer is not able to display the 3D image (Error: 314)' and then goes on to say that I
need to install directX. Installing directX doesn't make the slightest difference!!. The 2D stuff
works fine. The 3D images of Wasdale in the recent walking mags look pretty

impressive.

Quoted message said:

Any ideas?.

Ta, Dave

Andy Laycock said:

I ordered a free demo CD from Memory Map and it arrived within a week.

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Only problem it comes with 1:50 and 1:25 maps of Swansea.

What? Am I being targeted or something?

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I can't think of anyone here who would want free 3D map of Swansea, can you!!!

Not sure, I'll ask some of my friends. ;-)

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It actually works okay with DX8.1. DX9 isn't required (though it might be with certain
graphics cards).

Jim

Paul Saunders said:

Dave Moore said:

(Error: 314)' and then goes on to say that I need to install directX. Installing directX doesn't
make the slightest difference!!.

Quoted message said:

Any ideas?.

Which version of DirectX does it tell you to install? Installing an older version is no use. It's
up to 9.1 now.

Paul

Jim Willsher

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I thought the 3d view in MM was a bit limited considering the possibilities. I'm working on the next
release of Trailgauge into which I've incorporporated a 3d game engine to render terrains in
realtime. This allows you to position yourself in the 3d landscape and move about on the surface (or
at a fixed altitude above it) rather like games such as Doom etc. This means that you get to see the
same views as you would in real life and means that you can thoroughly explore an area before even
setting foot in it.

Here's an example: trailgauge.co.ukgoyt.wmvOpen ↗

The quality suffered when recording the movie so isn't that representative of what you see on the
screen, also the speed is a bit slower than normal but it gives you an idea. The data is the freely
available SRTM data (from NASA) - Trailgauge does any conversions and cleaning required on the fly.

I'm hoping to have it completed and ready for release by the end of January and I'm also hoping that
I can reach some agreement with third parties to allow access to UK raster map data for a reasonable
cost. I'll keep you posted.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Has anyone got the 'demo version' downloadable from the web to
successfully display 3D images?. When I try I just get a message saying

that

Quoted message said:

'this computer is not able to display the 3D image (Error: 314)' and

then

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

goes on to say that I need to install directX. Installing directX

doesn't

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

make the slightest difference!!. The 2D stuff works fine. The 3D images of Wasdale in the recent
walking mags look pretty

impressive.

Yes, downloaded it a couple of weeks ago and it works OK. Quite

interesting

Quoted message said:

seeing a 3D version of the map.

--
Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still brings the same excitement'

The last line of text you mean ?? I never knew that - thanks 🙂

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Quoted message said:

Probably video card memory shortage, not DirectX. I have one machine -

WinXP

Quoted message said:

Pro with 9.0b but only 2meg video memory that will not display 3D images, and one with 32meg
that will.

Remember that 2003 maps can be made to work in 2004 (with working 3d) by opening the qct map file
with a hex editor and changing the 2002 or 3

Crown

Quoted message said:

Copyright date to 2004. (remember to backup file first if you don't have the CD to hand).

"Andrew W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I thought the 3d view in MM was a bit limited considering the

possibilities.

Quoted message said:

I'm working on the next release of Trailgauge into which I've incorporporated a 3d game engine to
render terrains in realtime. This

allows

Quoted message said:

you to position yourself in the 3d landscape and move about on the surface (or at a fixed altitude
above it) rather like games such as Doom etc. This means that you get to see the same views as you
would in real life and

means

Quoted message said:

that you can thoroughly explore an area before even setting foot in it.

Here's an example: trailgauge.co.ukgoyt.wmvOpen ↗

The quality suffered when recording the movie so isn't that representative of what you see on the
screen, also the speed is a bit slower than normal but it gives you an idea. The data is the
freely available SRTM data (from NASA) - Trailgauge does any conversions and cleaning required on
the fly.

I'm hoping to have it completed and ready for release by the end of

January

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and I'm also hoping that I can reach some agreement with third parties to allow access to UK
raster map data for a reasonable cost. I'll keep you posted.

Looks very good apart from that unrealistic sky colour :-)

When you say that the data is freely available from NASA, is that the height (or DTED) data?.
Presumably to generate a view like that, you'd need ariel or satellite photograph also?. Having done
a bit of OpenGL programming myself previously, I had a play at overlaying OS maps on 3D terrain
which did look pretty good especially with lighting switched on, although the amount of texture data
required for good map definition was considerable, but not unreasonable given the memory and
hardware acceleration capabilities of the games graphics cards now available.

Dave

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Quoted message said:

I thought the 3d view in MM was a bit limited considering the

possibilities.

Quoted message said:

I'm working on the next release of Trailgauge into which I've incorporporated a 3d game engine to
render terrains in realtime. This

allows

Quoted message said:

you to position yourself in the 3d landscape and move about on the surface (or at a fixed altitude
above it) rather like games such as Doom etc. This means that you get to see the same views as you
would in real life and

means

Quoted message said:

that you can thoroughly explore an area before even setting foot in it.

Here's an example: trailgauge.co.ukgoyt.wmvOpen ↗

The quality suffered when recording the movie so isn't that representative of what you see on the
screen, also the speed is a bit slower than normal but it gives you an idea. The data is the
freely available SRTM data (from NASA) - Trailgauge does any conversions and cleaning required on
the fly.

I'm hoping to have it completed and ready for release by the end of

January

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and I'm also hoping that I can reach some agreement with third parties to allow access to UK
raster map data for a reasonable cost. I'll keep you posted.

"sandy saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:N9iIb.13179$526.88806@newsfep4-
glfd.server.ntli.net...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Has anyone got the 'demo version' downloadable from the web to successfully display 3D
images?. When I try I just get a message

saying

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that

Quoted message said:

'this computer is not able to display the 3D image (Error: 314)' and

then

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

goes on to say that I need to install directX. Installing directX

doesn't

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

make the slightest difference!!. The 2D stuff works fine. The 3D images of Wasdale in the
recent walking mags look pretty

impressive.

Yes, downloaded it a couple of weeks ago and it works OK. Quite

interesting

Quoted message said:

seeing a 3D version of the map.

--
Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still brings the same excitement'

SRTM is raw height data at approx 90m intervals which is perfect for this sort of visualisation
work. It does require a bit of processing so that it is useful i.e. converting into the map's
projection, interpolating for any voids and enriching with known spot heights from your own
waypoints.

OS 1:25,000 maps usually provide enough detail as does the aerial photograph, 1:50,000 are a little
sparse but this can be overcome by alpha blending a tileable ground detail texture into the map
image. I've provided 3 preset 'realistic' textures taken from landscape photographs that can be
blended into to give a semi-realistic end result. It's definately the case that aerial photographs
give the best results though.

You do need a reasonble PC and graphics card to get a fast response, my home PC with 900MHz CPU and
a basic 2MB Intel motherboard graphics card is just about acceptable but certainly not fast. My work
PC is a 2Ghz cpu with an 8MB NVidea GeForce card and that gives excellent results.

"Dave Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

When you say that the data is freely available from NASA, is that the

height

Quoted message said:

(or DTED) data?. Presumably to generate a view like that, you'd need ariel or satellite photograph
also?. Having done a bit of OpenGL programming myself previously, I had a play at overlaying OS
maps on 3D terrain which did look pretty good especially with lighting switched on, although the
amount of texture data required for good map definition was considerable, but not unreasonable
given the memory and hardware acceleration

capabilities

Quoted message said:

of the games graphics cards now available.

Dave

"Andrew W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I thought the 3d view in MM was a bit limited considering the

possibilities.

Quoted message said:

I'm working on the next release of Trailgauge into which I've incorporporated a 3d game engine
to render terrains in realtime. This

allows

Quoted message said:

you to position yourself in the 3d landscape and move about on the

surface

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(or at a fixed altitude above it) rather like games such as Doom etc.

This

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

means that you get to see the same views as you would in real life and

means

Quoted message said:

that you can thoroughly explore an area before even setting foot in it.

Here's an example: trailgauge.co.ukgoyt.wmvOpen ↗

The quality suffered when recording the movie so isn't that

representative

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of what you see on the screen, also the speed is a bit slower than

normal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but it gives you an idea. The data is the freely available SRTM data

(from

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

NASA) - Trailgauge does any conversions and cleaning required on the

fly.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm hoping to have it completed and ready for release by the end of

January

Quoted message said:

and I'm also hoping that I can reach some agreement with third parties

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

allow access to UK raster map data for a reasonable cost. I'll keep you posted.

"sandy saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:N9iIb.13179$526.88806@newsfep4-
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> Has anyone got the 'demo version' downloadable from the web to successfully display 3D
> images?. When I try I just get a message

saying

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that
> 'this computer is not able to display the 3D image (Error: 314)' and

then

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> goes on to say that I need to install directX. Installing directX

doesn't

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> make the slightest difference!!. The 2D stuff works fine. The 3D images of Wasdale in the
> recent walking mags look pretty
impressive.

Yes, downloaded it a couple of weeks ago and it works OK. Quite

interesting

Quoted message said:

seeing a 3D version of the map.

--
Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still brings the same excitement'

Quoted message said:

Looks very good apart from that unrealistic sky colour :-)

I might add a 'skybox' in a later release so you can have realistic looking clouds. Perhaps using it
on a pc in the shower will give the most realistic experience.

"Dave Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi All, Has anyone got the 'demo version' downloadable from the web to successfully display 3D
images?. When I try I just get a message saying

that

Quoted message said:

'this computer is not able to display the 3D image (Error: 314)' and then goes on to say that I
need to install directX. Installing directX doesn't make the slightest difference!!. The 2D stuff
works fine. The 3D images of Wasdale in the recent walking mags look pretty

impressive.

Quoted message said:

Any ideas?.

Ta, Dave

Dave I have had the same problem, According to the help files the 3D image only work in XP not
windows 98. They do not point this out clearly on their website. Regards Robert

Andy Laycock said:

I ordered a free demo CD from Memory Map and it arrived within a week.

memory-map.co.uksales enquiries.htmOpen ↗

Only problem it comes with 1:50 and 1:25 maps of Swansea. I can't think of anyone here who would
want free 3D map of Swansea, can you!!!

Sorry for not replying sooner but thanks for mentioning this.

Paul
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