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  1. Greetings!

    I have decided to cycle to my local station & catch the train to work and am having trouble deciding which bike to get. Any suggestions?

    Primarily the bike will be used for a 6-mile ride on B roads with a short, optional, stretch of bridleway. The roads are not in great condition and it’s a farming area so they are usually muddy. There are two hills to climb, not massive but I’ll be chuffed if I can climb them first time. I will also need to be able to carry a 15kg bag. I am also hoping to explore the local area a bit once my fitness level improves. So I need something which isn’t going to wash away on bends, can handle the odd pothole and I’d like to be able to get up to a fair lick.

    I haven’t ridden for a few years and not realised how far cycling had developed, (exactly what can you plug in an accessories port? (Trek)) & I’m hoping a budget of £400 would be enough (this is to include locks, lights, rear carrier and anything else). I could spend more but what would I gain?

    I figure I should get some form of hybrid and like the look of the Gary Fisher Zebrano or maybe Nirvana if the extra money is worth it but I don’t know. Alternates are the Ridgeback Velocity or Claude Butler Urban 300, Dawes Discovery 401 and so on, the more I look into this the more choices I find and I don’t really know what I should be looking at to decide.

    Another thing I need help on is where I should get the final choice from; can anybody recommend a good bike shop in or around Stafford? I don’t mind travelling if necessary to get some good advice & service.

    I appreciate January is the time many people think of doing something like this and I have no illusions that there will be times when an extra 30 minutes in bed and driving to work will be irresistible. So if I can get the right bike, which is unlikely to be cheap, at least I will be taking the shine of my stolen half hour lie in and will feel guilty all day.

    I hope some of you can help me out & I’ll let you know how I get on.

    Cheers
    😄

  2. Fat Lad said:

    Greetings!

    I have decided to cycle to my local station & catch the train to work and am having trouble
    deciding which bike to get. Any suggestions?

    Primarily the bike will be used for a 6-mile ride on B roads with a short, optional, stretch of
    bridleway. The roads are not in great condition and it’s a farming area so they are usually muddy.
    There are two hills to climb, not massive but I’ll be chuffed if I can climb them first time. I
    will also need to be able to carry a 15kg bag. I am also hoping to explore the local area a bit
    once my fitness level improves. So I need something which isn’t going to wash away on bends, can
    handle the odd pothole and I’d like to be able to get up to a fair lick.

    Ask the shop to stick road friendly tyres on with no or very little tread, this won't cost extra.

    Quoted message said:

    I haven’t ridden for a few years and not realised how far cycling had developed, (exactly what can
    you plug in an accessories port? (Trek)) & I’m hoping a budget of £400 would be enough (this is to
    include locks, lights, rear carrier and anything else). I could spend more but what would I gain?

    That should be enough and a good LBS may throw some extras in as well to get your custom. Try
    finding a deal on a 2003 model as well.

    Quoted message said:


    I figure I should get some form of hybrid and like the look of the Gary Fisher Zebrano or maybe
    Nirvana if the extra money is worth it but I don’t know. Alternates are the Ridgeback Velocity or
    Claude Butler Urban 300, Dawes Discovery 401 and so on, the more I look into this the more choices
    I find and I don’t really know what I should be looking at to decide.

    Get the one that fits you the best and test ride them all. There isnt a major difference between
    bikes at a given price point apart from the paint.

    Quoted message said:


    Another thing I need help on is where I should get the final choice from; can anybody recommend a
    good bike shop in or around Stafford? I don’t mind travelling if necessary to get some good advice
    & service.

    I appreciate January is the time many people think of doing something like this and I have no
    illusions that there will be times when an extra 30 minutes in bed and driving to work will be
    irresistible. So if I can get the right bike, which is unlikely to be cheap, at least I will be
    taking the shine of my stolen half hour lie in and will feel guilty all day.

    It's not as hard as it looks.

    Quoted message said:


    I hope some of you can help me out & I’ll let you know how I get on.

    Good luck.

  3. Fat Lad said:

    Greetings!

    I have decided to cycle to my local station & catch the train to work and am having trouble
    deciding which bike to get. Any suggestions?

    How secure is your station? A tatty-looking second hand bike may well be a better solution than a
    shiny new one. Or else a folder you can take with you on the train.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) jasmine.org.uk~simon There's nae Gods, an there's
    precious few heroes but there's plenty on the dole in th Land o th Leal; And it's time now, tae
    sweep the future clear o th lies o a past that we know wis never real.

  4. Fat Lad said:

    Greetings!

    I have decided to cycle to my local station & catch the train to work and am having trouble
    deciding which bike to get. Any suggestions?

    Primarily the bike will be used for a 6-mile ride on B roads with a short, optional, stretch of
    bridleway. The roads are not in great condition and it's a farming area so they are usually muddy.

    That bridleway could affect choice of bike and tyres quite a bit. What is it like? Deeply rutted mud
    or a reasonably level track or what?

    Quoted message said:

    There are two hills to climb, not massive but I'll be chuffed if I can climb them first time.

    Modern low gears on a mountain bike, hybrid or tourer will get you up them no problem.

    Quoted message said:

    I will also need to be able to carry a 15kg bag.

    Best to get a bike that has or can take a rear rack. Panniers would be good if luggage can
    go in them.

    Quoted message said:

    I am also hoping to explore the local area a bit once my fitness level improves. So I need
    something which isn't going to wash away on bends, can handle the odd pothole

    Most bikes will handle that.

    Quoted message said:

    and I'd like to be able to get up to a fair lick.

    A lightweight bike would be nice for the fitness/leisure aspects - because they make it more
    enjoyable and encourage more mileage.

    Quoted message said:

    I haven't ridden for a few years and not realised how far cycling had developed, (exactly what can
    you plug in an accessories port? (Trek)) & I'm hoping a budget of £400 would be enough (this is to
    include locks, lights, rear carrier and anything else). I could spend more but what would I gain?

    It's more what you loose: weight. And also gain reliablity and possibly versatility.

    ~PB

  5. Thanks Vincent, Simon & Pete.

    Logic tells me that the less tread you have the less grip in damp or wet conditions. I will invariably have to ride through some cow dung & mud each day and it is at this point I do not want to fall off. I’ve worked out a strategy to deal with getting sweaty but turning into work with cow pats stuck to my head may cause problems. Last time I rode a bike on wet roads I ended up in a chain link fence after sliding past my turning. As I will need to stop at a blind junction at the bottom of one of the hills I want to be sure the tyres & brakes will perform so spending a bit more at the outset getting a decent cycle seems a good idea.

    The bridleway is deeply rutted and currently flooded. It is not a necessary part of the trip but I think it would be worth the effort and a nice alternative in the summer. It’s only about a mile long so I would have thought taking it easy & knobbly tyres would be enough.
    This coupled with the potholes makes me think a front suspension job may be a good move but what about seat post suspension. Is that worth having as well or instead?

    The idea of a lightweight is attractive as there are plenty of opportunities to increase journey distance. This is what I aspire to for the sake of fitness and I don’t want a cycle that is ultimately limiting.

    With regards luggage, the rear rack seems the best solution but I was really wondering if having an extra 15kg regularly over the back wheel needed factoring in to the bike choice.

    Station security is an issue. It is unmanned and remote but does have purpose built places to lock the bike up. I am going to lurk around and ask any cyclists if they have had any problems. A cheap 2nd hand job is an idea if there is a problem but I am discounting the folding bike because I think they look daft (no offence).

    I will be visiting the local cycle shops this weekend to see what’s what and try to spot if any are worth dealing with. It is the array of bikes on offer that worries me. I don’t think I am in a position to tell good from bad so it would be helpful if anyone could give me some pointers on what to look for. I would rather not have to place my trust in a salesperson (spit).

    Regards

    😄

  6. "Fat Lad" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Logic tells me that the less tread you have the less grip in damp or wet conditions.

    Hmmm. Up to a point. A good road touring tyre is better than a slick, but gnarlies don't help on the
    road IME and actually tend to slide sideways on wet tarmec more than road tyres do, not that you are
    considering gnarlies.

    I ride slicks every day - Schwalbe Stelvios, at 120psi. I ride through mud and leaf litter on the
    roads OK. It gets a bit nasty where the tractors have been, but that's as much down to small wheels
    as anythign I reckon as I never had much of a problem on my tourer with road tyres.

    Quoted message said:

    As I will need to stop at a blind junction at the bottom of one of the hills I want to be sure the
    tyres & brakes will perform so spending a bit more at the outset getting a decent cycle seems a
    good idea.

    For this I use a recumbent with disc brakes :-)

    Quoted message said:

    The bridleway is deeply rutted and currently flooded. It is not a necessary part of the trip but I
    think it would be worth the effort and a nice alternative in the summer. It’s only about a mile
    long so I would have thought taking it easy & knobbly tyres would be enough. This coupled with the
    potholes makes me think a front suspension job may be a good move but what about seat post
    suspension. Is that worth having as well or instead?

    Hmmm. I find suspension seat posts a bit strange. I almost like them, but I do find they tend to
    interfere with the seat-of-the-pants communication between me, bike and ground. I have on on the
    (rigid) MTB but haven't been tempted to fit one on the tourer.

    A good lightweight sus fork with lockout might be good, but watch that you don't end up carrying a
    load of weight which you don't need most of the time or getting a fork which dives under braking. My
    general view on commuter bikes is that simpler is better. Suspension goes against that principle.
    That said, I have a boinger on the back of my everyday bike (but it's a recumbent, which is
    different!).

    I have used a tourer with HP tyres on a hard-packed bridleway. It was - ahem - a bit harsh. I have
    also raced (once!) a rigid MTB in similar conditions without problems on 80PSI Specialized
    Crossroads tyres which weigh a ton but work both as gnarlies and as low resistance road tyres. The
    race downhill was punishing on the arms, but uphill andon the flat I had no problem.

    That's a bit rambling, but hopefully you can see what I'm getting at. If I were choosing one of my
    bikes for your ride I'd have the Claud Butler Ravana rigid aluminium MTB with a moderate tread
    Kevlar road tyre like maybe a Panaracer Pasela Tourguard.

    Quoted message said:

    The idea of a lightweight is attractive as there are plenty of opportunities to increase journey
    distance. This is what I aspire to for the sake of fitness and I don’t want a cycle that is
    ultimately limiting.

    Absolutely. I like Dawes because I always have but I don't think you'd be disappointed with any of
    the bikes discussed in this thread.

    Quoted message said:

    With regards luggage, the rear rack seems the best solution but I was really wondering if having
    an extra 15kg regularly over the back wheel needed factoring in to the bike choice.

    15kg? Seems a lot. I have an Ortlieb Bike-Box (which is waterproof) into which I can fit everything
    I need. A rack is a must for commuting, IMO.

    Quoted message said:

    Station security is an issue. It is unmanned and remote but does have purpose built places to lock
    the bike up.

    Consider a good quality second-hand rigid aluminium mountain bike and paint it with Hammerite using
    a 1" paintbrush :-)

    Insure your bike.

    Consider a Brompton!

    --
    Guy
    ===

    WARNING: may contain traces of irony. Contents may settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

  7. Fat Lad said:

    Logic tells me that the less tread you have the less grip in damp or wet conditions.

    Not true when it comes to liquid on tarmac. See: www.sheldonbrown.com/tyres.html#hydroplaning

    Quoted message said:

    I will invariably have to ride through some cow dung & mud each day and it is at this point I do
    not want to fall off.

    Knobbly or deeply "treaded" tyres may help if the mud and dung is solid or deep and semi-solid.

    Quoted message said:

    I've worked out a strategy to deal with getting sweaty but turning into work with cow pats stuck
    to my head may cause problems. Last time I rode a bike on wet roads I ended up in a chain link
    fence after sliding past my turning.

    You can still easily slide on any tyres if the conditions and situation is bad enough.

    Quoted message said:

    As I will need to stop at a blind junction at the bottom of one of the hills I want to be sure the
    tyres & brakes will perform so spending a bit more at the outset getting a decent cycle seems a
    good idea.

    Indeed, although brakes on all but the very cheapest and nastiest bikes are very good nowdays - a
    real improvement to brakes that were on bikes in bygone decades.

    Quoted message said:

    The bridleway is deeply rutted and currently flooded. It is not a necessary part of the trip but I
    think it would be worth the effort and a nice alternative in the summer.

    That really does make a big difference to choice of bike. You have to decide whether it's worth
    compromising on road performance for that or even to get two bikes.

    Quoted message said:

    It's only about a mile long so I would have thought taking it easy & knobbly tyres would be
    enough. This coupled with the potholes makes me think a front suspension job may be a good move
    but what about seat post suspension. Is that worth having as well or instead?

    I'm not sure - I'll probably be getting a sus post myself soon to find out! Front suspension is not
    necessary for on-road potholes as skillful riding and front tyre can deal with them. It is getting
    difficult to find mountain bikes without it, though. A suspension seatpost can always be bought
    later: they cost from £17 to £50+.

    Quoted message said:

    With regards luggage, the rear rack seems the best solution but I was really wondering if having
    an extra 15kg regularly over the back wheel needed factoring in to the bike choice.

    Any bike frame that is designed to take a back rack will manage that weight no problem. However,
    it's worth making sure the rear wheel is up to the job. If 700c (metric near-equivalent to 27"😉, 36
    spokes as opposed to 32 is best, and it'll be worth getting the wheel checked and possibly
    retensioned by a good mechanic.

    ~PB

  8. Fat Lad said:

    Thanks Vincent, Simon & Pete.

    Logic tells me that the less tread you have the less grip in damp or wet conditions.

    Logic's wrong, in this case. Except in very soft going, more tread means less grip, because less
    rubber is actually in contact the road (the gaps between the knobbles don't do anything). Of course,
    very soft going is where you need most traction, which is why off road cyclists tend to use
    knobblies. On road, slicks (no tread at all) are best.

    Quoted message said:

    I will invariably have to ride through some cow dung & mud each day and it is at this point I do
    not want to fall off.

    How deep is it? If the tyre will be in contact with the pavement below/through the mud then you
    don't need knobblies; if it won't you may do. As you say, that is one place you really need
    your traction!

    Quoted message said:

    worked out a strategy to deal with getting sweaty but turning into work with cow pats stuck to my
    head may cause problems. Last time I rode a bike on wet roads I ended up in a chain link fence
    after sliding past my turning. As I will need to stop at a blind junction at the bottom of one of
    the hills I want to be sure the tyres & brakes will perform so spending a bit more at the outset
    getting a decent cycle seems a good idea.

    Disk brakes are expensive and may give the impression you're a fashion victim but they really do
    work better in wet and muddy conditions.

    Quoted message said:

    The bridleway is deeply rutted and currently flooded. It is not a necessary part of the trip but I
    think it would be worth the effort and a nice alternative in the summer. It’s only about a mile
    long so I would have thought taking it easy & knobbly tyres would be enough. This coupled with the
    potholes makes me think a front suspension job may be a good move but what about seat post
    suspension. Is that worth having as well or instead?

    This is starting to sound more and more like MTB territory. If you're balanced on your bike a
    substantial proportion of your weight - ideally half - will be on the front wheel, and most of that
    weight will be carried by your wrists which don't like too much jarring. So fronts suspension is
    more important than back (which is why you see so many front-suspension-only 'hardtail' MTBs). This
    is not to say a suspension seatpost is not also a good idea. You might also consider full suspension
    - although a full suspension bike is going to be either quite a lot heavier, or quite a lot more
    expensive, than an equivalent hardtail.

    Quoted message said:

    The idea of a lightweight is attractive as there are plenty of opportunities to increase journey
    distance. This is what I aspire to for the sake of fitness and I don’t want a cycle that is
    ultimately limiting.

    With regards luggage, the rear rack seems the best solution but I was really wondering if having
    an extra 15kg regularly over the back wheel needed factoring in to the bike choice.

    To some extent. A lot of 'mountain bike' frames do have eyes for mounting panniers, and
    virtually all hybrids do. 15 kilos is a lot - what do you plan to carry? I personally am a great
    fan of bar bags.

    Quoted message said:

    Station security is an issue. It is unmanned and remote but does have purpose built places to lock
    the bike up. I am going to lurk around and ask any cyclists if they have had any problems. A cheap
    2nd hand job is an idea if there is a problem but I am discounting the folding bike because I
    think they look daft (no offence).

    If the frame looks old and tatty and the components aren't too polished then the bike won't look
    attractive to a thief - but this doesn't in the least stop it being a good bike to ride, if it's all
    well lubricated and well set up. Second hand bikes are also a lot cheaper. There has been occasional
    discussion here and there about actively 'distressing' a new bike to make it look old, tatty and
    uninviting, although I must admit it would hurt me to do that!

    Of course, this doesn't protect you from the casual drunk who just wants something to get him home
    from the pub.

    Quoted message said:

    I will be visiting the local cycle shops this weekend to see what’s what and try to spot if any
    are worth dealing with. It is the array of bikes on offer that worries me. I don’t think I am in a
    position to tell good from bad so it would be helpful if anyone could give me some pointers on
    what to look for. I would rather not have to place my trust in a salesperson (spit).

    Well, weight. Good bikes on the whole weigh less than poor ones, and in the price bracket you're
    talking there's nothing so exotic that you need to worry about its strength (unless you are _very_
    heavy - in the States I'm told that there is a category of bikes sold as 'clydesdales' which are
    designed for the more elephantine rider).

    Beyond that you're into the quality of individual components. 90% of the bikes on offer will have
    Shimano drivetrains and possibly other components. On the whole Shimano are reasonable, but their
    very good stuff is an awful lot better than their bottom of the range stuff. Campagnolo on the whole
    slightly more upmarket although I don't think there's really a lot of difference between the top
    ends of the two ranges. The problem with this is there's no simple relationship between the model
    names and how good they are, so unless you have real trainspotter mentality it's hard to remember
    whether LX is better than Deore, or Centaur than Record. SRAM is easier to deal with - SRAM X.0 is
    top of the range, X.9 next best, then X.7... but although SRAM components are also good you won't
    find that many new bikes with SRAM components. And when you get into handlebars, saddles, cranks,
    even disk brakes, there are a mass of makes, some good, some not so.

    The best thing to do, unless you really trust your LBS (and the best LBS staff are the most
    knowledgeable people of all) is take a knowlegeable friend with you.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) jasmine.org.uk~simon

    'graveyards are full of indispensable people'

  9. Fat Lad said:

    Thanks Vincent, Simon & Pete.

    Logic tells me that the less tread you have the less grip in damp or wet conditions. I will
    invariably have to ride through some cow dung & mud each day and it is at this point I do not want
    to fall off. I’ve worked out a strategy to deal with getting sweaty but turning into work with cow
    pats stuck to my head may cause problems.

    Mud guards? Of course they will ruin the look of your shiny new bike but should keep you're bonce
    dung free. You could always wear a helmet and claim you've found something its useful for?

    Quoted message said:

    Last time I rode a bike on wet roads I ended up in a chain link fence after sliding past my
    turning. As I will need to stop at a blind junction at the bottom of one of the hills I want to be
    sure the tyres & brakes will perform so spending a bit more at the outset getting a decent cycle
    seems a good idea.

    Use your front brakes. The rears are effectively useless. I assume you mean sliding as in a back
    wheel skid rather than being over zealous on a corner. Ive never managed to lock a front in the wet,
    except on diesel spills but thats different.

    Quoted message said:


    The bridleway is deeply rutted and currently flooded. It is not a necessary part of the trip but I
    think it would be worth the effort and a nice alternative in the summer. It’s only about a mile
    long so I would have thought taking it easy & knobbly tyres would be enough. This coupled with the
    potholes makes me think a front suspension job may be a good move but what about seat post
    suspension. Is that worth having as well or instead?

    I wouldn't bother to much with stuff like suspension. A suspension seat post will be fine later if
    you really need it, just stand on the pedals for bumps.

    Quoted message said:

    The idea of a lightweight is attractive as there are plenty of opportunities to increase journey
    distance. This is what I aspire to for the sake of fitness and I don’t want a cycle that is
    ultimately limiting.

    They will all weigh roughly about as much as each other.

    Quoted message said:


    With regards luggage, the rear rack seems the best solution but I was really wondering if having
    an extra 15kg regularly over the back wheel needed factoring in to the bike choice.

    Not with the sort of bike you're considering.

    Quoted message said:

    Station security is an issue. It is unmanned and remote but does have purpose built places to lock
    the bike up. I am going to lurk around and ask any cyclists if they have had any problems. A cheap
    2nd hand job is an idea if there is a problem but I am discounting the folding bike because I
    think they look daft (no offence).

    You'll know you're a real commuter when your locks start costing more than your commuting bikes. Of
    course they cost no where near as much as your fun bikes but you can not have enough bikes.

    Quoted message said:

    I will be visiting the local cycle shops this weekend to see what’s what and try to spot if any
    are worth dealing with. It is the array of bikes on offer that worries me. I don’t think I am in a
    position to tell good from bad so it would be helpful if anyone could give me some pointers on
    what to look for. I would rather not have to place my trust in a salesperson (spit).

    Have a look on a website such as www.evanscycles.com for an idea of what is available. At say 300
    the bikes are pretty much like for like and the components, brakes etc will most likely be
    identical. But at the least you will get an idea of prices and also what the 2003 models look like
    etc. Brands such as Specialized, Trek, Giant, Dawes etc are generally well regarded.

    Quoted message said:


    Regards

    😄

    --

  10. Thanks for the help chaps, you have got me thinking and are a real help.

    I think the moderate tread-touring tyre will probably do and I will go for a rigid frame and leave the option to upgrade open. The brakes are still a worry, (recumbent is not an option) the slide I mentioned in my last post was with both wheels locked on damp tarmac. I got the impression the tyre footprint was just not big enough to provide sufficient grip but maybe I should just try to exercise some self-control when I hurtle down the hill, tricky.

    I am getting a bit too obsessed with the idea of a shiny new bike. The point about a tatty second hand machine has got me thinking so I will look around for a cosmetically challenged model, maybe even with a higher spec.

    BTW. I have spoken to the local train company about bulk buying tickets to save money ( not worth it ) and asked in passing about taking the bike on the train.
    ‘You can reserve a place for £1 Sir.’
    ‘Will that guarantee a place?’
    ‘No’
    Confused Fat lad exits stage left.
    😕

  11. Fat Lad said:

    I have spoken to the local train company about bulk buying tickets to save money ( not worth it )
    and asked in passing about taking the bike on the train. ‘You can reserve a place for £1 Sir.’
    ‘Will that guarantee a place?’ ‘No’ Confused Fat lad exits stage left. 😕

    Now might be a good time to join the CTC, who are lobbying hard for an end to bicycle unfriendly
    trains. Early signs of progress are visible, allegedly.

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.demon.co.ukchapmancentral.demon.co.uk

  12. Greetings!

    One has been out for his first ride!

    I ended up getting a Marin Kentfield. Seems all the scanning of the web and other places to narrow down a choice was almost, but not quite, a waste of time. The final choice was down to what was available in the chosen LBS (Stan Jones & Sons Shrewsbury) and which felt best going round the block. I compared the Marin to a Dawes something of other for £50 less. But the ride was the clear deciding factor.
    If I were to do anything different during this whole episode would be to have a longer test ride on many more bikes, but I'm not complaining I am happy with the Kentfield and hats off to the chaps in the shop - they were patient & not pushy.

    I went out on Sunday for the first time. I figured I'll take it easy and just go to the post box a couple of miles away and not go too mad. I actually did around 16 miles and today I only ache a little. The worst thing being my [censored] but I hope that will improve once I get a few miles in.

    I have decided to get insurance and locks etc and risk the local station. Cycling to the station has got alot going for it as far as I am concerned so I won't be put off by the risk of theft.

    I am not going to be lax on security and this is where I could do with some extra help.

    Lock choice: I have an Abus steel o flex granite winging its way to me as I type. And now I am in two minds about getting another of the same or a good u-lock. My thinking is all removable components -wheels & seat - will need locking up. The cable lock should do one wheel and the seat and frame. I am edging toward the u-lock for the other wheel and secondary frame security. Am I going over the top? Would it be easier just to use the quick release & lock everything up with the single cable lock? What do you think?

    Schools out: Should I risk leaving my bike chained up at the remote station during school holidays? Is this asking for trouble or am I just a miserable old git?

    Another thing -- has anyone got any experience of the Reevu RV DLX helmets? Built in mirrors seem like a good idea to me? Not convinced about helmets yet but a gadget packed high tech melon might persuade me.

    I will let you know how I get on,

    😄

  13. <Fat Lad> wrote:

    I like the name. There's a lot of us about, apparently.

    --
    Keith Willoughby flat222.orgkeith It's the only
    language they understand

  14. Fat Lad said:

    Schools out: Should I risk leaving my bike chained up at
    the remote station during school holidays? Is this asking
    for trouble or am I just a miserable old git?

    No! Don't do it!

    Any part of your bike that isn't welded on will get nicked.
    And if the blighters can't hack through your lock they'll
    take it out on your wheels and/or frame.

    d.

  15. Keith Willoughby said:

    <Fat Lad> wrote:

    I like the name. There's a lot of us about, apparently.

    Maybe we should start a club. :-)
    --
    Matt K Dunedin, NZ

  16. On 8/3/04 8:52 pm, in article [email hidden],

    Whingin' Pom said:

    On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:37:37 +0000, Keith Willoughby
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <Fat Lad> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I like the name. There's a lot of us about, apparently.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe we should start a club. :-)

    Count me in..

    ..d

  17. Fat Lad wondered:

    Quoted message said:

    Another thing -- has anyone got any experience of the
    Reevu RV DLX helmets? Built in mirrors seem like a good
    idea to me? Not convinced about helmets yet but a gadget
    packed high tech melon might persuade
    me.

    I've worn one a couple of times, but have never actually
    ridden in one. A friend bought one to try, didn't get on
    with it, tried to sell it to me, then passed it to a mutual
    friend on a sale or return basis. I believe the original
    owner now has it back.

    It's a great idea. I was pleasantly surprised by the ease
    of looking in the mirror, although you may need to tilt
    your head forward or back quite a bit depending on your
    riding position.

    It's let down IMHO (and in that of my friends who have
    ridden with it) by being relatively heavy and poorly
    ventilated (the mirror means they can't put many vents at
    the front of the helmet).

    Alternatives you could try would be a handlebar, helmet or
    glasses mounted mirror.

    For handlebar mounting, the bar-end mounting Mirrycles are
    supposed to be excellent (though I have no experience of
    these). Otherwise Halfords do a very basic mirror for under
    a tenner that I found worked quite well.

    For glasses mounting, I have found the 3rd Eye to be ideal,
    though YMMV. My first one (sadly retired this evening,
    having been splinted with cocktail sticks for the last
    couple of months) was donated by a regular on this group who
    had found it to be hopeless. OTOH I met a lady last year who
    was keen to know where I got it, as she had used one years
    ago, had liked it and had never seen one since.

    3rd Eye also do a helmet mounting option. Not much use to
    me, as I don't always wear a helmet (actually that pretty
    much rules out the Reevu, too).

    url:http://kinetics.org.uk/ has a good selection of mirrors,
    including the Reevu and the 3rd Eye.

    Having listed a load of mirrors, I can't actually see much
    point on an upright bike. I'd rather look over my shoulder.
    ICBW, I've never actually tried a mirror on a wedgie.

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
    speedy5.freeserve.co.ukdanny
    Why I like OE6 - speedy5.freeserve.co.ukoe6.html
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  18. John Hearns said:

    But having had bikes nicked, I've got to say that a nice
    Marin is attractive to thieves. Get that insurance.

    Depending on how far the station actually is it may be worth
    looking at getting another bike for the station run: nasty
    looking old hack bike is quite adequate for a couple of
    miles. Another option is a folder, which you fold up and
    take with you on the train so you (a) have it to ride at the
    other end and (b) don't have to worry about some oik
    trashing it.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext.
    33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177
    Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden]
    dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

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