this really ticks me off

I was under the impression that driving with low blood sugar is NOT a defense. Am I wrong about
that? I've heard that in California, if you lose consciousness and a doctor knows about it, it's
reported to DMV and your license is suspended. Again, I could be wrong...

dave

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I mean, the guy has bragged about his fast and reckless driving in the past, has an atrocious
driving record. This is completely a made up excuse!! Besides that, what grown person on insulin
wouldn't eat all day and would then drive?? That is about as irresponsible as it gets-- akin to
running a stop sign AND speeding AND being drunk. And didn't notice his low blood sugar because he
was angry at someone?? Come on, this person probably should not have been behind the wheel-- and
not due to his diabetes! His driving record is that poor.

In some rare cases, insulin could cause a rapid and completely unpredictable low. This is NOT one
of those cases. This *should* cause his complete driving record to come into evidence. I think
only a couple of the tickets can come into evidence now. (However, the whole jury pool knows his
driving record anyway).

"That's what Janklow's defense lawyer is trying to prove -- that Janklow sped through a stop sign
and hit a motorcyclist because of low blood sugar."

BL

"As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of the rock within
the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then there's a reflected wave back."
Ralph Abraham

"I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

BL 1204 said this...

Quoted message said:

kotatv.comstory.aspOpen ↗

I mean, the guy has bragged about his fast and reckless driving in the past, has an atrocious
driving record. This is completely a made up excuse!! Besides that, what grown person on insulin
wouldn't eat all day and would then drive?? That is about as irresponsible as it gets-- akin to
running a stop sign AND speeding AND being drunk. And didn't notice his low blood sugar because he
was angry at someone?? Come on, this person probably should not have been behind the wheel-- and
not due to his diabetes! His driving record is that poor.

In some rare cases, insulin could cause a rapid and completely unpredictable low. This is NOT one
of those cases. This *should* cause his complete driving record to come into evidence. I think
only a couple of the tickets can come into evidence now. (However, the whole jury pool knows his
driving record anyway).

"That's what Janklow's defense lawyer is trying to prove -- that Janklow sped through a stop sign
and hit a motorcyclist because of low blood sugar."

BL

"As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of the rock within
the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then there's a reflected wave back."
Ralph Abraham

"I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

Does the US have the equivalent of the British 3-year rule?

Every 3 years, we have to prove that we are good little stabbers, and pass an optometrist inspection
before we can carry on driving. Bad control and retinopathy? Bye bye licence. Licences are issued
for three years only.

And that is mandatory for insulin users. There is supposedly a mechanism whereby the GP or clinic
can 'grass up' the insulin using diabetic; but most play by the rules from the start.

The upside is that the DVLA pay the cost.

Ratty
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kotatv.comstory.aspOpen ↗

I mean, the guy has bragged about his fast and reckless driving in the

past,

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has an atrocious driving record.

I read about this [censored] in another NG (bike related) and it's REALLY [censored] of the bike guys for
the same reason you've quoted (he's a [censored] driver and PROUD of it)

This is completely a made up excuse!!

Well he IS a politician and they're worse than "dieticians" for making excuses.

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Besides that, what grown person on insulin wouldn't eat all day and would

then

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drive??

A [censored] (or politician with a spin doctor to cover for him)

That is about as irresponsible as it gets-- akin to running a stop

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sign AND speeding AND being drunk. And didn't notice his low blood sugar because he was angry at
someone?? Come on, this person probably should

not

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have been behind the wheel-- and not due to his diabetes! His driving

record

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is that poor.

Indeed it is, and you're right, he SHOULDN'T be behind the wheel, but what's the betting he gets
away with it?

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In some rare cases, insulin could cause a rapid and completely

unpredictable

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low. This is NOT one of those cases. This *should* cause his complete driving record to come into
evidence. I think only a couple of the

tickets can

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come into evidence now. (However, the whole jury pool knows his driving

record

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anyway).

A guy was given a 10 year sentence for killing someone while he driving. He tried desperately to
convice the court and the world (and so did Dave Groves) that he was hypo, but he didn't manage it
(thankfully), so ANY diabetic using diabetes/hypo's as an excuse is hurting not only the person they
hit, but every single diabetic that ever gets behid the wheel of a car

hard time getting licenses.

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"That's what Janklow's defense lawyer is trying to prove -- that Janklow

sped

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through a stop sign and hit a motorcyclist because of low blood sugar."

ambulance chasing lawyers?

Beav

nope, it hasn't come to that...yet!

dave

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Does the US have the equivalent of the British 3-year rule?

Every 3 years, we have to prove that we are good little stabbers, and pass an optometrist
inspection before we can carry on driving. Bad control and retinopathy? Bye bye licence. Licences
are issued for three years only.

And that is mandatory for insulin users. There is supposedly a mechanism whereby the GP or clinic
can 'grass up' the insulin using diabetic; but most play by the rules from the start.

The upside is that the DVLA pay the cost.

Ratty

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I was under the impression that driving with low blood sugar is NOT a defense. Am I wrong about
that? I've heard that in California, if you lose consciousness and a doctor knows about it, it's
reported to DMV and your license is suspended. Again, I could be wrong...

dave

He's trying to blame unawareness of low blood sugar on his heart medication.

manslaughter in my book, if not murder. The guy had a serious speeding record already.

My DC license is good for 4 years. At renewal I have to provide forms from both treating physician
and opthalmologist that I'm ok to drive. These have to be from exams within (I think) 90 days of
applying for the license, and I have to go to a special clearance office as well. I get an extra
card (says "diabetes"😉 with my license that I also have to carry.

This is for any diagnosed diabetic, regardless of treatment (d&e, orals, insulin, whatever). Once
you check that "have you ever been diagnosed with...." box on the application you're under
different rules.

But at least the clerks in the special office are a bit nicer than the ones in the general area! bj

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nope, it hasn't come to that...yet!

dave

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Does the US have the equivalent of the British 3-year rule?

Every 3 years, we have to prove that we are good little stabbers, and pass an optometrist
inspection before we can carry on driving. Bad control and retinopathy? Bye bye licence.
Licences are issued for three years only.

well in case you missed the news on TV he was going into court with a NOT so DIET cola in his hand.

case

the case, minus a few cans!

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well in case you missed the news on TV he was going into court with a NOT so DIET cola in
his hand.

Which only a diabetic would've noticed. And it's a solid 100:1 bet that no-one on the jury will be
diabetic. If *I* was on the jury, he'd get NO sympathy.

Beav