Ssorry Bob, you are using an ANECDOTES, not research study
WHY do you think that the ADA advises something else than you do. They have lots of studies, and
lots of years of data YOU have an absolutely worthless anecdotal piece on information "I think
it works "
YOU are wrong - but, due to the complexity of the problem, even with all their data and experience,
THEY are not perfect, or have a simple solution. MANY more people get good results on the ADA than
on the ultra low carb - bu many people get results on the low carb - and THEY are hyped by the fad
diet scammers like Bernstein, who sell LOTS of books.
To succeed, we use Hobsin's method - that is, we make small changes in a direction which seems to
work for us. Test often, and try to come up with what works for us as individuals.
That is what makes the doctor who TELLS you what to do so dangerous. If they tell you what and why,
accept that YOU can make small changes, and work with you, telling you WHY you are wrong when you
are. Then you can get fairly good control
Your assumption that there is something like a sim[ple cookie cutter solution not only doesn't work,
but it is a VERY bad idea -
Alan said:Ted Rosenberg said:cc'd by email good try BUT, not correct
You are mixing a number of misconceptions
1) The relationships are by far not linear, in fact they are extremely complex, and without
discrete solutions. As I recall, insulin ALONE is a 3rd order Lorenz function!
2) You are mistaking diet theories with diet facts. Despite the absolute statements of the diet
wars people, NO ONE has anything resembling proof on ANY fro the diet theories. They are
THEORIES, not facts
3) There are a LOT of other relevant factors - exercise, amount of sleep, alcohol, other meds,
metabolic differences.... and probably some we haven't even thought of.
If it was possible to put this all in a computer and come out with a nice little chart WHICH WORKS
CONSISTENTLY - It would have been done a long time ago.
As you go on, you may find these results even harder to judge. For example, I usually have pretty
good control.. Yesterday at about 2:30 I was at a clients, and I started feeling low - so I ate an
ENTIRE candy bar. I went back to being on hold with tech support for an hour - at which time I
went down to 53 !!! after a candy bar!!! I would have expected 253 as more likely - SO I had a
package of c cheese crackers and a cup of black coffee - that brought it back to 98 in an hour - I
stayed between 80 and 98 for the rest of the evening, DESPITE dinner..
Hi Ted
I completely agree about the complexities involved. I also get flummoxed when what is expected is
not what occurs. And I accept that I'm still a newby here who can see only the tip of a very large
iceberg.
On diet theories, I'm stating the facts based on a research study of one (me) and anecdotal
evidence here. I accept that that is a little short of a scientific study.
What I am suggesting, obviously not clearly enough, is that our experience here should be utilised
by those who advise the general population - ADA, DA, NHS etc, instead of ignored or actively
discouraged.
We don't have a cure, but we do have some management methods which may improve the lives of other
diabetics, in some cases quite dramatically. But the inertia of bureacratic policy change
continues to push diets and control methods which IMO are harmful to some if not most of those
using them.
At the very least, a study of the concept of diet modification resulting from post-prandial
testing could be done. We see some recent studies about post-prandial testing assisting in
diagnosis; I can't remember seeing any references here concerning post-prandial and better
control, with or without meds.
Oddly enough, with the money involved in the US in test strips, one would wonder why the strip
manufacturers aren't actively supporting such a study. Hopefully some lurker looking for a
research grant just read that :-)
Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and not enough exercise.
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
