BG and exercise

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I am a mild type 2 on diet alone. Usually after meals my BG is somewhere between 7-8 mmol/L. I had
just spent one whole week at about 3-4 hours per day trying to remove old glue from an outdoor
porch which had carpeting on it for years. This was very very labor intensive for me using both a
glue stripper and extensive sanding. I am 57 years old. Anyway I noticed right from the first day
that my BG's were higher after meals 11-12 mmol/L and also snacks too. I did not change anything in
my diet, the only thing that changed was this heavy duty labor for the week and at the end of the
week when the job was done they came right back down again. I always thought exercise brought BG's
down not up. Anyone have any ideas? Incidently a couple of days ago I read an article on the web
somewhere where someone was linking increased BG's to strong chemical odors! And this I read right
while I was using the strong smelling stripper although it was a water based product. I just about
passed out at that one. Thanks.

margo

Hi Margo

I'm puzzled too; the only logical answer is that what you suspect is correct and there is some
correlation between "glue-sniffing" and high BGs.

As a seperate aspect, I don't want to alarm you but I have to disagree that you are a "mild" type 2
if you can reach 11-12 (200-215) with the glue and 7-8 (125-145) consistently. What is your HbA1c?

Put it this way; my post-prandial figures are usually a little better than that; I accept that I am
"fully" T2 and I am not happy with my figures and I continually try to improve them. Not that I
always succeed :-)

It might be time to go back to full testing as Jennifer recommends for a little while and tune up
the diet a little. Just my opinion.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and not enough exercise.
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I doubt a strong chemical odor would affect bg levels unless you had an allergic response (such as
multiple chemical sensitivity).

I would suspect a hypo followed by overcorrection (going hyper) was the culprit. Did you test before
meals? I'll guess you were high before the meals and snacks. In the future you probably should test
extra when doing a 3-4 hour intense activity. Then adjust your meal plan as needed - with a new case
of trial and error.

Cindy Wells (yes it's rare for a type 2 to go hypo when on diet and exercise alone but it is
possible.)

Margo, If you are using a lot of muscle, then perhaps you are experiencing a release of lactic acid
from your muscles. When you lift weights, small tears occur in the muscles. These small tears
release lactic acid into the bloodstream, which in turns raises your sugars for (I think, not sure)
about an hour. Of course the benefits of the exercise outweigh the short lived rise in the sugars.
If your sugars return to more normal numbers after a relatively short period of time, then perhaps
this is what is happening. Steph

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I am a mild type 2 on diet alone. Usually after meals my BG is somewhere between 7-8 mmol/L. I had
just spent one whole week at about 3-4 hours per day trying to remove old glue from an outdoor
porch which had carpeting on it for years. This was very very labor intensive for me using both a
glue stripper and extensive sanding. I am 57 years old. Anyway I noticed right from the first day
that my BG's were higher after meals 11-12 mmol/L and also snacks too. I did not change anything
in my diet, the only thing that changed was this heavy duty labor for the week and at the end of
the week when the job was done they came right back down again. I always thought exercise brought
BG's down not up. Anyone have any ideas? Incidently a couple of days ago I read an article on the
web somewhere where someone was linking increased BG's to strong chemical odors! And this I read
right while I was using the strong smelling stripper although it was a water based product. I just
about passed out at that one. Thanks.

margo

Cecelia: There have been several occasions when I did heavy work for a period of time that exceeded
what I usually do quite a bit. The outcome is sometimes like yours with a higher BG readings than
usual. I think what happens is the the glycogen stores in the muscles gets depleted from the labor
and then the glycogen stores in the liver get released to raise the glucose in the blood. After
these situations it can take me several days to get my BGs somewhat regulated again. More moderate
exercise that I do often does not effect me that way. If I do 20 minutes of walking after each meal,
it will usually bring my BG level down to near what it was before I ate. I find that evening
exercise is the most effective.

Frank

Quoted message said:

I am a mild type 2 on diet alone. Usually after meals my BG is somewhere between 7-8 mmol/L. I had
just spent one whole week at about 3-4 hours per day trying to remove old glue from an outdoor
porch which had carpeting on it for years. This was very very labor intensive for me using both a
glue stripper and extensive sanding. I am 57 years old. Anyway I noticed right from the first day
that my BG's were higher after meals 11-12 mmol/L and also snacks too. I did not change anything
in my diet, the only thing that changed was this heavy duty labor for the week and at the end of
the week when the job was done they came right back down again. I always thought exercise brought
BG's down not up. Anyone have any ideas? Incidently a couple of days ago I read an article on the
web somewhere where someone was linking increased BG's to strong chemical odors! And this I read
right while I was using the strong smelling stripper although it was a water based product. I just
about passed out at that one. Thanks.

margo

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I am a mild type 2 on diet alone.

What is a mild type 2?

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Usually after meals my BG is somewhere between 7-8 mmol/L. I had just

spent one whole week at about 3-4 hours

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per day trying to remove old glue from an outdoor porch which had carpeting on it for years.
This was very very labor intensive for me using both a glue stripper and extensive sanding. I am
57 years old. Anyway I noticed right from the first day that my BG's were higher after meals 11-
12 mmol/L and also snacks too. I did not change anything in my diet, the only thing that changed
was this heavy duty labor for the week and at the end of the week when the job was done they
came right back down again. I always thought exercise brought BG's down not up. Anyone have any
ideas? Incidently a couple of days ago I read an article on the web somewhere where someone was
linking increased BG's to strong chemical odors! And this I read right while I was using the
strong smelling stripper although it was a water based product. I just about passed out at that
one. Thanks.

Exercise *can* raise BG in some people, at least temporarily. And it could also be that you were
not eating enough carbs to sustain you during the exercise. If I exercise a lot more than normal,
I have to compensate for it with extra carbs. Unless of course, I am exercising simply to bring
high BG down.

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This was very very labor intensive for me using both a glue stripper and extensive sanding. I am
57 years old. Anyway I noticed right from the first day that my BG's were higher after meals 11-
12 mmol/L and also snacks too.

Interesting. Did you test before meals or during your work?

This is my best guess. It was a liver dump.

You said the stripping was very very labor intensive for you. The work probably lowered your
bgs at first, but you missed this because you didn't test. When a person does heavy
exercise, the body does a calculation. It assumes you will continue that level of effort for
a while, and estimates how much glucose you need in your blood stream to keep up the effort.
Anyone doing strenuous exercise goes through this.

When your bgs dropped below the critical-calculated level, then your liver "dumped" stored
glucose. This was intended to give you enough fuel in your blood stream to continue working.
So while you were working, your BGs went up, but you probably didn't test here either, so
you missed it.

But later you ate. You went into the meal with elevated BGs, and the meal raised them a bit
more. After the meal, you tested and discovered the high readings, and naturally assumed the
meal was at fault.

This liver dump thing is normal for diabetics and non-diabetics alike. It's just that
diabetics don't have a good insulin response, so we can't deal with it as well.

The best way to deal with a liver dump is to anticipate it. If you eat a snack BEFORE your
exercise, then this keeps your BGs above the calculated dump level. This prevents the dump,
and your bgs stay low.

E

I'new here...bear with me!

Anybody know what's going on when the fastin Bg reading is low, then 3 hours later the reading rises
- with out breaking the fast(nothing eaten)?

This has happened to me several times as I was going to an exam after being told to fast the night
before. I usually manage a 10 hr fast before such events. Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Stew T2 diag 1988 Glyburide, aspirin and Diet avg morn 100 160-180aft meals

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Quoted message said:

This was very very labor intensive for me using both a glue stripper and extensive sanding. I
am 57 years old. Anyway I noticed right from the first day that my BG's were higher after meals
11-12 mmol/L and also snacks too.

Interesting. Did you test before meals or during your work?

This is my best guess. It was a liver dump.

You said the stripping was very very labor intensive for you. The work probably lowered your bgs
at first, but you missed this because you didn't test. When a person does heavy exercise, the body
does a calculation. It assumes you will continue that level of effort for a while, and estimates
how much glucose you need in your blood stream to keep up the effort. Anyone doing strenuous
exercise goes through this.

When your bgs dropped below the critical-calculated level, then your liver "dumped" stored
glucose. This was intended to give you enough fuel in your blood stream to continue working. So
while you were working, your BGs went up, but you probably didn't test here either, so you
missed it.

But later you ate. You went into the meal with elevated BGs, and the meal raised them a bit more.
After the meal, you tested and discovered the high readings, and naturally assumed the meal was
at fault.

This liver dump thing is normal for diabetics and non-diabetics alike. It's just that diabetics
don't have a good insulin response, so we can't deal with it as well.

The best way to deal with a liver dump is to anticipate it. If you eat a snack BEFORE your
exercise, then this keeps your BGs above the calculated dump level. This prevents the dump, and
your bgs stay low.

E

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Stewart Smith said this...

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Anybody know what's going on when the fastin Bg reading is low, then 3 hours later the reading
rises - with out breaking the fast(nothing eaten)?

your liver is kicking out some energy to keep you going. It's one of the functions it has, apart
from processing beer.

Liver dumps in the night are similar, where your BG goes too low and your liver kicks out some
stored glycogen to raise it again.

Ratty
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Stewart Smith said:

Anybody know what's going on when the fastin Bg reading is low, then 3 hours later the reading
rises - with out breaking the fast(nothing eaten)?

This has happened to me several times as I was going to an exam after being told to fast the night
before. I usually manage a 10 hr fast before such events. Any Ideas?

It's called a liver dump. If your BG goes too low, and your liver doesn't get any signals that
you're eating, it will dump a mess of BG into your Bstream to take care of you. Unfortunately, we
T2s don't have a mess of insulin sitting around waiting to chew up that dump from the liver, so our
BG goes up and up and up.

Priscilla

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I'new here...bear with me!

Anybody know what's going on when the fastin Bg reading is low, then 3

hours

Quoted message said:

later the reading rises - with out breaking the fast(nothing eaten)?

This has happened to me several times as I was going to an exam after

being

Quoted message said:

told to fast the night before. I usually manage a 10 hr fast before such events. Any Ideas?

If your BG is too low and you don't eat, your body will compensate by dumping glucose. You'll then
end up with BG that is too high.

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Thanks for the info Rat...That makes sense - it's like your body lives off its fat in a
crisis, I guess

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Stewart Smith said this...

Quoted message said:

Anybody know what's going on when the fastin Bg reading is low, then 3

hours

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

later the reading rises - with out breaking the fast(nothing eaten)?

your liver is kicking out some energy to keep you going. It's one of the functions it has, apart
from processing beer.

Liver dumps in the night are similar, where your BG goes too low and your liver kicks out some
stored glycogen to raise it again.

Ratty
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Priscilla Ballou said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Stewart Smith"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Anybody know what's going on when the fastin Bg reading is low, then 3 hours later the reading
rises - with out breaking the fast(nothing eaten)?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This has happened to me several times as I was going to an exam after being told to fast the
night before. I usually manage a 10 hr fast before such events. Any Ideas?

Quoted message said:

It's called a liver dump. If your BG goes too low, and your liver doesn't get any signals that
you're eating, it will dump a mess of BG into your Bstream to take care of you. Unfortunately, we
T2s don't have a mess of insulin sitting around waiting to chew up that dump from the liver, so our
BG goes up and up and up. Priscilla

Unfortunately, it can also be caused by having excess insulin in your system [T2 on meds ie:
Glicklazide MR] If there is insufficient glucose then your liver will dump to nullify the insulin
secreted as a result of the med not the enzyme signal given by the presence of glucose.

In this case [mine] my BG does not go up and up and up and up at all. It goes no higer than 142.
Without the med it goes to 182 - these values [taken from my records] are the highest since DX.

If I eat a very small meal at dinner and a snack before bed then I can get 97.

YMMV

Pete

Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
+ Asprin 210lbs at Dx to target 174lbs achieved. Now 171lbs. To mail: aspen3 at freeuk.com

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If I exercise a lot more than normal, I have to compensate for it with extra carbs. Unless of
course, I am exercising simply to bring high BG down.

What kind of exercise do you do? I will be 72 next month and need to do something. Betty.

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If I exercise a lot more than normal, I have to compensate for it with

extra carbs. Unless of course, I am exercising simply to bring high BG down.

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What kind of exercise do you do? I will be 72 next month and need to do

something. Betty.

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What are you able to do? What kind of activity would you enjoy? Are you aiming to exercise-down high
bg or to integrate exercise into your life to, hopefully, help your overall control?

I'm nearly 60, but I'm certainly not the oldest person in the races I've been running. But that
might not be something you either can do or would like to do.

Do you have any medical restrictions? physical ailments? other factors? that might limit what
you're allowed to do? Would you prefer something like classes? gym workouts? solo walks? home
exercise programs?

These are just a few of the things to think about. But try to come up with *something*. And
remember, it doesn't have to be the *same* something every day, and you are allowed to change your
routine over time! Best wishes. bj

Betty, I answered a similar post from you without realising your age. Please keep in mind that you
should not attempt any even moderately intensive excercise regimen without consulting with your
doctor. You will probably find that even if you cannot do intensive excercise such as riding a
bike, there are many other forms of excercise which will be adequate for you. A good quality
excercise bike should be fine - I have afriend of the family - she's 90, non-diabetic and very fit
- who does a round on her excercise bike daily. An active lifestyle may be enough. My next door
neighbour, and 85 year old Type 2, spends a lot of time in his yard doing gardening, for instance.
(If Guy is reading this, he can tell you about all sorts of things he does to keep himself active -
Guy? Speak up!)

Even if a diabetic is much younger, if he/she's never excercised before, it should be discussed with
your doctor before embarking on a routine.

Henry

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If I exercise a lot more than normal, I have to compensate for it
with extra carbs. Unless of course, I am exercising simply to bring high

BG

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down.

What kind of exercise do you do? I will be 72 next month and need to do something. Betty.

BMoss69893 said:

What kind of exercise do you do? I will be 72 next month and need to do something. Betty.

I love to swim. The water provides resistance and also joint support. If you don't know how to swim,
just walking around in the shallow end is a good workout. Aquacise classes are very popular with the
senior crowd around here.

Check with your doc first and always bring a buddy if you're not going to a pool with lifeguards.

What your son calls work is exercise too, don't let him fool you. I personally don't think it's
always necessary to raise your pulse rate to target and hold it there for a period of time just to
call it exercise. You're moving, that's what's important. You could always trade in a motorized lawn
mower for one without a motor, if your lawn isn't too big...

Just make sure to do something you like, that way you'll be more likely to stick with it.

Vicki

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Margo, If you are using a lot of muscle, then perhaps you are experiencing a release of lactic
acid from your muscles. When you lift weights, small tears occur in the muscles. These small tears
release lactic acid into

the

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bloodstream, which in turns raises your sugars for (I think, not sure)

about

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an hour. Of course the benefits of the exercise outweigh the short lived rise in the sugars. If
your sugars return to more normal numbers after a relatively short period of time, then perhaps
this is what is happening. Steph

Stephy i love your explaination about latic acid. i didnt know lactic acid causes blood sugar levels
to rise. hmm i wonder if the blood buffers i used to drink to reduced the pain of lactic acid would
help. i guess that depends on if they reduce lactic acid or just reduce the pain. something to think
about hmmm. Tom

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I am a mild type 2 on diet alone. Usually after meals my BG is

somewhere

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between 7-8 mmol/L. I had just spent one whole week at about 3-4 hours per day trying to remove
old glue from an outdoor porch which had carpeting on it for years. This was very very labor
intensive for me using both a glue stripper and extensive sanding. I am 57 years old. Anyway I
noticed right from the first day that my BG's were higher after meals 11-12 mmol/L and also
snacks too. I did not change anything in

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

diet, the only thing that changed was this heavy duty labor for the week and at the end of the
week when the job was done they came right back

down

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Quoted message said:

again. I always thought exercise brought BG's down not up. Anyone

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

any ideas? Incidently a couple of days ago I read an article on the

web

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

somewhere where someone was linking increased BG's to strong chemical odors! And this I read
right while I was using the strong smelling stripper although it was a water based product. I
just about passed out at that one. Thanks.

margo

Stewart Smith said:

I'new here...bear with me!

Anybody know what's going on when the fastin Bg reading is low, then 3 hours later the reading
rises - with out breaking the fast(nothing eaten)?

This has happened to me several times as I was going to an exam after being told to fast the night
before. I usually manage a 10 hr fast before such events. Any Ideas?

Thanks,

Stew T2 diag 1988 Glyburide, aspirin and Diet avg morn 100 160-180aft meals

avg eve 125

It's an artifact of our ancestor's lifestyle. Everyone gets a wake up call from our hormones that
sends out extra glucose (from the liver) so we can get up and find breakfast (or run from danger).
This process continues until you eat - non-diabetics produce and use insulin properly and keep a
balance with the situation.

A similar response happens when the bg goes below the level your body feels is needed to deal
with life.

Cindy Wells

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I'new here...bear with me!

Anybody know what's going on when the fastin Bg reading is low, then 3

hours

Quoted message said:

later the reading rises - with out breaking the fast(nothing eaten)?

This has happened to me several times as I was going to an exam after

being

Quoted message said:

told to fast the night before. I usually manage a 10 hr fast before such events. Any Ideas?

Stew, as the others said, break your fast - never skip meals especially breakfast. Your post meal
readings are quite high, may need to learn how to tweak the carbs a bit.