I want a MENU ????

"PHIL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I have been to Dieticians (4) and only wanted a MENU for me!!

All I get is watch the Carbs, and Protein etc,

I can adapt to any menu , but I can't make one up for myself !!

HELP!! THANX to ALL !!

What exactly did the dieticians tell you to do? Did they say to eat a certain amount of carbs per
meal? Per day? And is this working for you? By that, I mean how are your numbers after eating?

It would be difficult for anyone here to devise a menu for you because you haven't told us the
specifics of what you eat, or what you like to eat. A menu that includes foods that you hate would
be useless.

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Phil, I think the way to make a menu is to test after eating foods from different food groups to see
which ones are user friendly to you. After you get a handle on which foods work for you and which
ones don't, you'll be able to easily adapt the menu to suit yourself with foods you like. Good luck.

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I have been to Dieticians (4) and only wanted a MENU for me!!

All I get is watch the Carbs, and Protein etc,

I can adapt to any menu , but I can't make one up for myself !!

HELP!! THANX to ALL !!

Let's reverse this: Why don't YOU give us a blow by blow of your daily foods. I'd be happy to offer
some suggestions, but without knowing what you might be partial to, it would be tough. You might
want to post to alt.support.diet.lo-carb also.
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"PHIL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I have been to Dieticians (4) and only wanted a MENU for me!!

All I get is watch the Carbs, and Protein etc,

I can adapt to any menu , but I can't make one up for myself !!

HELP!! THANX to ALL !!

A standard diet based on the total calories, derived from the carbohydrates, Proteins, & Fats that a
person of your height & weight requires,is exactly what your dietitian should give to you. This
should include printed sheets of exchange lists, with the amounts equal to one serving of each item.
Only by knowing the amounts that you can have with each meal, and which items can be substituted for
other items, will you be able to follow a diet. Ask your dietitian for such a diet, with exchange
lists. If you only count carbs, you will have a much more difficult time. You cannot exchange a
fruit serving for a meat serving even if you figure out a correct carb swap. The fats and proteins
are not the same for meat and fruit.

For meat, you can exchange fish, chicken, turkey, other fowl, cheese or eggs.

Bread is an exchange for rice, potatoes, pasta, etc.

Vegetables are categorized into different groups based on serving size.

You need to find out what size servings to have with each meal for the different classifications.
You do not need to figure it out by yourself. It has already been established with lists that your
dietitian can supply to you. Some individual tweaking for your specific needs may need to be done.
This would certainly be the case if you are trying to lose weight. A Type 2 diabetic of normal
weight does not need to adhere to an extremely low carb diet to maintain a proper BG level. Such a
person can eat a "normal" well-balanced diet. If they get a high BG from such a diet, then they need
appropriate medication to control the blood sugar levels. Some Type 2's who are producing some of
their own insulin, prefer to exercise to extreme levels to avoid the need for pills. If you want to
exercise and are able to make it work for you, by all means, go ahead and do it. But, for an adult
to try to live on an 800 to 1200 calorie per day diet, when they are not fat, is in the extreme
category. Most doctors would not recommend it. Some people may be satisfied with it. But first,
learn the requirements for a basic diet and see how you do with that.

Phil...

Set menus can only take you so far. The problem is, life gets in the way. If you take some time
and learn how food and YOUR body get along, you'll be able to handle any food situation life
throws at you.

The best way to do that is to TEST TEST TEST.

Here's the advice I give all newbies:

There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into anything. Begin by using your best weapon
in this war, your meter. You won't keel over today, you have time to experiment, test, learn, test
and figure out just how your body and this disease are getting along. The most important thing you
can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test.

The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is:

What do I eat?

Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing.

What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics can get great results on wildly different
food plans. Some of us here achieve great blood glucose control eating a high complex carbohydrate
diet. Others find that anything over 75 - 100g of carbs a day is too much. Still others are
somewhere in between.

At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to be handed THE way to eat, to ensure our
continued health. But we all learned that there is no one way. Each of us had to find our own path,
using the experience of those that went before, but still having to discover for ourselves how OUR
bodies and this disease were coexisting.

Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our own what works best for us. You can use
our experiences as jumping off points, but eventually you'll work up a successful plan that is
yours alone.

What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As I'm sure you've read,
carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice... the things our Grandmas called "starches"😉 raise blood sugars
the most rapidly. Protein and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly... so if
you're a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the rise.

You might want to try some experiments.

First: Eat whatever you've been currently eating... but write it all down. Test yourself at the
following times:

Upon waking (fasting) 1 hour after each meal 2 hours after each meal At bedtime

That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is how long after a meal your highest
reading comes... and how fast you return to "normal". Also, you may see that a meal that included
bread, fruit or other carbs gives you a higher reading.

Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs. Eliminate breads, cereals, rices, beans, any
wheat products, potato, corn, fruit... get all your carbs from veggies. Test at the same
schedule above.

If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good readings. It's worth a few days
to discover.

Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see them affecting your meter.

The thing about this disease... though we share much in common and we need to follow certain
guidelines... in the end, each of our bodies dictate our treatment and our success.

The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of avoiding horrible
complications. The key here is AIM... I know that everyone is at a different point in their
disease... and it is progressive. But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, we give
ourselves the best shot at heath we've got. That's all we can do.

Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic numbers.

FBG under 110 One hour after meals under 140 Two hours after meals under 120

or for those in the mmol parts of the world:

Fasting Under 6 One hour after meals Under 8 Two hours after meals Under 6.5

Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your "after meal" numbers. They
may be the most indicative of future complications, especially heart problems.

Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic care team. While his /her advice is
learned, it is not absolute. You will end up knowing much more about your body and how it's handling
diabetes than your doctor will. Your meter is your best weapon.

Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with anyone but ourselves... Play around with
your food plan... TEST TEST TEST. Learn what foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings... Use
your body as a science experiment.

You'll read about a lot of different ways people use to control their diabetes... Many are
diametrically opposed. After awhile you'll learn that there is no one size fits all around here.
Take some time to experiment and you'll soon discover the plan that works for you.

Best of luck!

Jennifer

PHIL said:

I have been to Dieticians (4) and only wanted a MENU for me!!

All I get is watch the Carbs, and Protein etc,

I can adapt to any menu , but I can't make one up for myself !!

HELP!! THANX to ALL !!

I am not entirely sure I know what you mean but I gathered you want someone to make meal planning
simpler. You want to remove some of the variables by eating reasonable portions of ballanced meals,
without having to have a pantry full of fresh vegetables, meats, dairy and starches. You may also
think that someone has written down just such a diet.

You should have gotten more than just "watch the Carbs, and Protein etc,". You should have been
asked what you typically eat and then been told how to modify the portions and what foods to add or
subtract. In other words you should not have to change your diet much and if you do you should have
been told what to change and by how much.

Sometimes meal planning for me takes longer than actually preparing and eating the food. I talked
about this to with my endocrinologist and asked about frozen meals. He said okay but they are high
in sodium. I figured that they are basically balanced and I know what's in them by reading the
labels and easy to prepare. Sometimes I have frozen meals and take insulin based on my past
experience with that meal and carb counting ratios I use.

A trip to the bookstore or library may also provide you with some books on meal planning if you can
not get that from your dietician.

"PHIL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I have been to Dieticians (4) and only wanted a MENU for me!!

All I get is watch the Carbs, and Protein etc,

I can adapt to any menu , but I can't make one up for myself !!

HELP!! THANX to ALL !!

PHIL said:

I have been to Dieticians (4) and only wanted a MENU for me!!

All I get is watch the Carbs, and Protein etc,

I can adapt to any menu , but I can't make one up for myself !!

HELP!! THANX to ALL !!

Phil, why can't you make one up for yourself? Is there some special reason?

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and not enough exercise.
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Subject: I want a MENU ????
From: PHIL [email hidden]
Date: 11/4/2003 5:24 PM Mountain Standard Time
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I have been to Dieticians (4) and only wanted a MENU for me!!

All I get is watch the Carbs, and Protein etc,

I can adapt to any menu , but I can't make one up for myself !!

HELP!! THANX to ALL !!

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Phil,

With diabetes you have to do a lot of homework - in getting to know as much as you can about your
disease as well as exactly what to eat. You could be led horribly astray if you put your trust in
any ready made plan or menu without analyzing it yourself - and measuring and testing the effect.

Henry

"PHIL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I have been to Dieticians (4) and only wanted a MENU for me!!

All I get is watch the Carbs, and Protein etc,

I can adapt to any menu , but I can't make one up for myself !!

HELP!! THANX to ALL !!

I think the most important thing is to have a well-stocked refrigerator and pantry so that making
simple, healthy meals is always possible. If you can plan your meals weekly, and shop accordingly,
you'll always have the necessary ingredients on hand. Another tip is when shopping for groceries,
try to make the bulk of your purchase from the periphery of the grocery store--buys lots of fresh
fruits, vegetables, and lean meats. Don't do too much shopping in the aisles because that's mostly
processed, high sugar, high sodium, packaged foods.

Shirin

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All I get is watch the Carbs, and Protein etc,

I can adapt to any menu , but I can't make one up for myself !!

I think the most important thing is to have a well-stocked refrigerator

and pantry so that making simple, healthy meals is always possible. If you can plan your meals
weekly, and shop accordingly, you'll always have the necessary ingredients on hand.

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I think the problem may be that he isn't used to actually "planning" what to eat. He wants someplace
to start from. bj