DIET SODAS & DIABETES

"SweetAzzKANDEE" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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actually,this in reference to any Sodas,whether for diabetics or non-diabetics. i was told
that the carbonation in sodas is REALLY bad for the kidneys. i drink Diet soda ALOT. i try to
drink water daily,but soda gets my vote most of the time. i also switch up with Crystal light
sugar free ice tea mixes as well. (they are GOOD). but what about the sodas tho? anyone heard
about it having affect on kidneys? i heard it was just the darker color SODas,like COKE,&
root beer. I LOVE Diet COKE. i hope i'm not ruining my kidneys.

I've never heard such a thing. I have seen articles that say the carbonation can cause loss of
calcium, but have never seen anything about kidneys.

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fwiw department... I was a very avid diet cola drinker. so much as to unknowingly replacing much of
my necessary water intake with the dark beverage.

well... bout 4 years ago I came down with a rather large kidney stone that had to be removed. We
won't go into how the removal process was done but it was rather unpleasant.

My urologist explained to me that if one does not drink enought water the kidneys do not get
flushed. Soda contains considerable calcium... my stone was analyzed after removal and was made up
of primarily calcium.

I made two trips to the emergency room for a demerol IV for pain before I had the stone removed. Do
not want to go through another stone again!

Dennis (aka gaunger)

"SweetAzzKANDEE" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:16724-3F8EA38E-257@storefull-
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actually,this in reference to any Sodas,whether for diabetics or non-diabetics. i was told
that the carbonation in sodas is REALLY bad for the kidneys. i drink Diet soda ALOT. i try to
drink water daily,but soda gets my vote most of the time. i also switch up with Crystal light
sugar free ice tea mixes as well. (they are GOOD). but what about the sodas tho? anyone heard
about it having affect on kidneys? i heard it was just the darker color SODas,like COKE,&
root beer. I LOVE Diet COKE. i hope i'm not ruining my kidneys.

My best friend was on hemodialysis and was advised not to drink dark colored sodas because they
contained high phosphorous, which the kidneys remove, except in someone with end stage renal
disease. Maybe that's what you've heard reference to with respect to the dark colored sodas.

--
Antonio
Age 37, Type 1 for 10 years
On Insulin Pump
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actually,this in reference to any Sodas,whether for diabetics or
non-diabetics. i was told that the carbonation in sodas is REALLY bad
for the kidneys. i drink Diet soda ALOT. i try to drink water daily,but
soda gets my vote most of the time.
i also switch up with Crystal light sugar free ice tea mixes as
well. (they are GOOD).
but what about the sodas tho? anyone heard about it having
affect on kidneys? i heard it was just the darker color SODas,like
COKE,& root beer. I LOVE Diet COKE. i hope i'm not ruining my kidneys.

(SweetAzzKANDEE) said:

actually,this in reference to any Sodas,whether for diabetics or non-diabetics. i was told
that the carbonation in sodas is REALLY bad for the kidneys. i drink Diet soda ALOT. i try to
drink water daily,but soda gets my vote most of the time. i also switch up with Crystal light
sugar free ice tea mixes as well. (they are GOOD). but what about the sodas tho? anyone heard
about it having affect on kidneys? i heard it was just the darker color SODas,like COKE,& root
beer. I LOVE Diet COKE. i hope i'm not ruining my kidneys.

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I like my Diet Colas too - Coke, Pepsi, own brands. Today I took the current 2 litre bottle out of
the fridge, unscrewed the top a bit too near my face and got a blast of discharged gas straight up
my right nostril. Head snapped back, sneezing, coughing, eyes watering, and a recognised odour. I
used to do a lot of home brewing and winemaking. For that you need a non-lingering sterilising agent
which will kill unwanted organisms like wild yeasts etc. so you use sodium metabisulphite in water
solution. To give it a boost add a pinch of crystalline citric acid - then keep your mouth and nose
away or you'll get the same effect and smell as I got today from the Diet Pepsi (whoops, I
inadvertently just gave away the brand). Anyway, the discharged gas is sulphur dioxide and that's
the product of adding acid to metabisulphite. Metabisulphates are extensively used as preservatives,
which is a GOOD THING. The alternative: bacterial, yeast, mould, viral contaminations are NOT GOOD
for humans. Apparently cola drinks have a slight phosphoric acid content and probably citric acid
too, hence a sulphur dioxide addition to the discharged carbon dioxide is highly likely.

Sulphur Dioxide in atmosphere:-

Sulphur dioxide (SO2) is a colourless gas, belonging to the family of gases called sulphur oxides
(SOx). It reacts on the surface of a variety of airborne solid particles, is soluble in water and
can be oxidised within airborne water droplets.

Natural sources of sulphur dioxide include releases from volcanoes, oceans, biological decay and
forest fires. The most important man-made sources of sulphur dioxide are fossil fuel combustion,
smelting, manufacture of sulphuric acid, conversion of wood pulp to paper, incineration of refuse
and production of elemental sulphur. Coal burning is the single largest man-made source of sulphur
dioxide accounting for about 50% of annual global emissions, with oil burning accounting for a
further 25 to 30%.

The major health concerns associated with exposure to high concentrations of sulphur dioxide include
effects on breathing, respiratory illness, alterations in pulmonary defenses, and aggravation of
existing cardiovascular disease. In the atmosphere, sulphur dioxide mixes with water vapour
producing sulphuric acid. This acidic pollution can be transported by wind over many hundreds of
miles, and deposited as acid rain.

Don't worry folks. Turn your head away when you open the Coke and Pepsi!

Soda drink carbonation just vents off. Anything damaging kidneys from carbonated drinks doesn't come
from the gases.

Bill

(SweetAzzKANDEE) said:

actually,this in reference to any Sodas,whether for diabetics or non-diabetics. i was told
that the carbonation in sodas is REALLY bad for the kidneys. i drink Diet soda ALOT. i try to
drink water daily,but soda gets my vote most of the time. i also switch up with Crystal light
sugar free ice tea mixes as well. (they are GOOD). but what about the sodas tho? anyone heard
about it having affect on kidneys? i heard it was just the darker color SODas,like COKE,& root
beer. I LOVE Diet COKE. i hope i'm not ruining my kidneys.

dennis said:

My urologist explained to me that if one does not drink enought water the kidneys do not get
flushed. Soda contains considerable calcium... my stone was analyzed after removal and was made up
of primarily calcium.

Guess I wasn't aware that stones were ever anything but calcium. I also thought that milk contained
much more calcium than diet soda.

BJ

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fwiw department... I was a very avid diet cola drinker. so much as to unknowingly replacing much
of my necessary water intake with the dark beverage.

well... bout 4 years ago I came down with a rather large kidney stone that had to be removed. We
won't go into how the removal process was done but it was rather unpleasant.

My urologist explained to me that if one does not drink enought water the kidneys do not get
flushed. Soda contains considerable calcium...

That sound like a bit of fakelore to me.

I just came back from the supermarket. I checked the label of every diet soda they had. I could not
find any mention of calcium on the labels.

The only soda I could think of that wpuld have calcium would be an ice cream soda or an egg cream.

PJ

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My urologist explained to me that if one does not drink enought water the kidneys do not get
flushed. Soda contains considerable calcium... my

stone

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was analyzed after removal and was made up of primarily calcium.

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This doesn't sound right. I thought sodas were thought to leach calcium from the bones, if consumed
in excess. I remember when they added calcium to Tab back in the '80s. Made it taste bad.

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dennis said:

fwiw department... I was a very avid diet cola drinker. so much as to unknowingly replacing much of
my necessary water intake with the dark beverage.

well... bout 4 years ago I came down with a rather large kidney stone that had to be removed. We
won't go into how the removal process was done but it was rather unpleasant.

My urologist explained to me that if one does not drink enought water the kidneys do not get
flushed. Soda contains considerable calcium...

I've never seen any evidence of this, but if you drink about 20 cans a day, you'll get your RDA for
phosphorous. The main issue I see with sodas, is if you drink colas (the dark kind mainly) and also
eat a lot of nuts, you could end up taking in too much phosphorous - I believe the safe upper limit
for phosphorous intake is about 3000 - 4000 mg per day. I think a soda has something like 50 or 100
mg per can.

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my stone was analyzed after removal and was made up of primarily calcium.

I made two trips to the emergency room for a demerol IV for pain before I had the stone removed. Do
not want to go through another stone again!

Dennis (aka gaunger)

"SweetAzzKANDEE" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:16724-3F8EA38E-257@storefull-
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Quoted message said:

actually,this in reference to any Sodas,whether for diabetics or non-diabetics. i was told
that the carbonation in sodas is REALLY bad for the kidneys. i drink Diet soda ALOT. i try
to drink water daily,but soda gets my vote most of the time. i also switch up with Crystal
light sugar free ice tea mixes as well. (they are GOOD). but what about the sodas tho?
anyone heard about it having affect on kidneys? i heard it was just the darker color
SODas,like COKE,& root beer. I LOVE Diet COKE. i hope i'm not ruining my kidneys.

dennis said:

fwiw department... I was a very avid diet cola drinker. so much as to unknowingly replacing much
of my necessary water intake with the dark beverage.

well... bout 4 years ago I came down with a rather large kidney stone that had to be removed. We
won't go into how the removal process was done but it was rather unpleasant.

My urologist explained to me that if one does not drink enought water the kidneys do not get
flushed. Soda contains considerable calcium... my stone was analyzed after removal and was made up
of primarily calcium.

That's not the carbonatiion, though. The carbonation is just CO2 under pressure, which bubbles when
you open the bottle. You exhale CO2, it's not a problem in the soda.

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I made two trips to the emergency room for a demerol IV for pain before I had the stone removed.
Do not want to go through another stone again!

Ouch. I believe that kidney stones are always or almost always calcium. Are you sure your soda
consumption was a major factor?

Something else in the same line, -- many diet drinks contain caffiene, which is a diuretic. Too much
of that and not enough total water intake could be trouble.

Speaking only for myself,

Joe Durusau

dennis said:

fwiw department... I was a very avid diet cola drinker. so much as to unknowingly replacing much
of my necessary water intake with the dark beverage.

well... bout 4 years ago I came down with a rather large kidney stone that had to be removed. We
won't go into how the removal process was done but it was rather unpleasant.

My urologist explained to me that if one does not drink enought water the kidneys do not get
flushed. Soda contains considerable calcium... my stone was analyzed after removal and was made up
of primarily calcium.

I made two trips to the emergency room for a demerol IV for pain before I had the stone removed.
Do not want to go through another stone again!

Dennis (aka gaunger)

"SweetAzzKANDEE" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:16724-3F8EA38E-257@storefull-
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Quoted message said:

actually,this in reference to any Sodas,whether for diabetics or non-diabetics. i was told
that the carbonation in sodas is REALLY bad for the kidneys. i drink Diet soda ALOT. i try to
drink water daily,but soda gets my vote most of the time. i also switch up with Crystal light
sugar free ice tea mixes as well. (they are GOOD). but what about the sodas tho? anyone heard
about it having affect on kidneys? i heard it was just the darker color SODas,like COKE,&
root beer. I LOVE Diet COKE. i hope i'm not ruining my kidneys.

Guess I misunderstood my urologist... sorry for the misinformation. After what I understood him to
tell me about contents of the diet cola, I read a label and saw some form of calcium in it (in
retrospect probably wasn't a coke or pepsi product). Guess what the dr was trying to tell me is to
stay away from sodas (like diet coke I was drinking at least 72oz/day) and drink more water!

I did copy a snippet from: salon.comindex1.htmlOpen ↗ and
came back with some interesting reading:

But having too much caffeine -- even if it is less than the amount in coffee -- is not the only
drawback to soda. The phosphoric acid used in most dark colas, added for taste and acidity, can double-
cross you.

Here's how, explained NYU's Sharron Dalton: "Phosphorus and calcium are both critical minerals for
bone growth and maintenance. In healthy bones, there's an equilibrium of the two. Get too much
phosphoric acid in the body, and calcium reserves are called in to neutralize the acid and restore
the balance."

But the nefariousness of phosphoric acid doesn't stop there. The kidneys (in my case, probably
already craving water) must bear the brunt of all this work. What's more, some studies have linked
soda drinking, and the surfeit of minerals tumbling through the kidneys, with the formation of
kidney stones.

More than "brittle bones" or "hip fractures," "kidney stones" are two words that terrify me. Having
kidney stones is one of the most painful experiences possible, I hear. They'll bring you to your
knees, victims warn. While there's been sparse research on the precise relationship between kidney
stones and soda, it seems significant to me that the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive
and Kidney Diseases has relegated sodas to its "to be avoided" pantry.

Dennis

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"dennis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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fwiw department... I was a very avid diet cola drinker. so much as to unknowingly

replacing

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Quoted message said:

much of my necessary water intake with the dark beverage.

well... bout 4 years ago I came down with a rather large kidney stone

that

Quoted message said:

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had to be removed. We won't go into how the removal process was done but

it

Quoted message said:

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was rather unpleasant.

My urologist explained to me that if one does not drink enought water

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

kidneys do not get flushed. Soda contains considerable calcium...

That sound like a bit of fakelore to me.

I just came back from the supermarket. I checked the label of every diet

soda they had. I could not

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find any mention of calcium on the labels.

The only soda I could think of that wpuld have calcium would be an ice

cream soda or an egg cream.

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PJ

Dennis, Excellent explaination and correct too. Barry

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Guess I misunderstood my urologist... sorry for the misinformation. After what I understood him to
tell me about contents of the diet cola, I read a label and saw some form of calcium in it (in
retrospect probably wasn't a coke or pepsi product). Guess what the dr was trying to tell me is to

stay

Quoted message said:

away from sodas (like diet coke I was drinking at least 72oz/day) and

drink

Quoted message said:

more water!

I did copy a snippet from: salon.comindex1.htmlOpen ↗
and came back with some interesting reading:

But having too much caffeine -- even if it is less than the amount in coffee -- is not the only
drawback to soda. The phosphoric acid used in

most

Quoted message said:

dark colas, added for taste and acidity, can double-cross you.

Here's how, explained NYU's Sharron Dalton: "Phosphorus and calcium are

both

Quoted message said:

critical minerals for bone growth and maintenance. In healthy bones,

there's

Quoted message said:

an equilibrium of the two. Get too much phosphoric acid in the body, and calcium reserves are
called in to neutralize the acid and restore the balance."

But the nefariousness of phosphoric acid doesn't stop there. The kidneys

(in

Quoted message said:

my case, probably already craving water) must bear the brunt of all this work. What's more, some
studies have linked soda drinking, and the surfeit of minerals tumbling through the kidneys, with
the formation of kidney stones.

More than "brittle bones" or "hip fractures," "kidney stones" are two

words

Quoted message said:

that terrify me. Having kidney stones is one of the most painful

experiences

Quoted message said:

possible, I hear. They'll bring you to your knees, victims warn. While there's been sparse
research on the precise relationship between kidney stones and soda, it seems significant to me
that the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases has relegated sodas
to its "to

be

Quoted message said:

avoided" pantry.

Dennis

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"dennis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

fwiw department... I was a very avid diet cola drinker. so much as to unknowingly

replacing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

much of my necessary water intake with the dark beverage.

well... bout 4 years ago I came down with a rather large kidney stone

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

had to be removed. We won't go into how the removal process was done

but

Quoted message said:

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

was rather unpleasant.

My urologist explained to me that if one does not drink enought water

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

kidneys do not get flushed. Soda contains considerable calcium...

That sound like a bit of fakelore to me.

I just came back from the supermarket. I checked the label of every diet

soda they had. I could not

Quoted message said:

find any mention of calcium on the labels.

The only soda I could think of that wpuld have calcium would be an ice

cream soda or an egg cream.

Quoted message said:

PJ