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What are your vegan alternatives?

Dh Ld · 2004-01-12T10:38:34+00:00

The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people. These items which contain animal by-products are used in the production of food: _________________________________________________________ Tires, Paints, Paper, Glass, Glue, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer, Antifreeze http://www.aif.org/lvstock.htm ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ _________________________________________________________ Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic, Asphalt, lubricants, high-performance greases, brake fluid http://www.teachfree.com/student/wow_that_cow.htm ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ _________________________________________________________ cleaning and polishing compounds, glues for paper and cardboard cartons, inks, PVC http://www.discover.com/aug_01/featcow.html ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ _________________________________________________________ Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants, Stearic Acid, Biodegradable Detergents, Herbicides, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products, Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape, Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings http://www.sheepusa.org/environment/products.shtml ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ If "farm animals aren't necessary to feed people", then give us examples of your vegan alternatives to these products which contain animal by- products and are used in the production of food.

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Dh Ld
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12 January 2004, 10:38 UTC #1

Fri said:
The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people.
These items which contain animal by-products are used in the production of food:
_________________________________________________________
Tires, Paints, Paper, Glass, Glue, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer, Antifreeze
aif.orglvstock.htm ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic, Asphalt, lubricants, high-performance
greases, brake fluid
teachfree.comwow that cow.htm
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
cleaning and polishing compounds, glues for paper and cardboard cartons, inks, PVC
discover.comfeatcow.html
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants, Stearic Acid, Biodegradable
Detergents, Herbicides, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products, Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and
Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape, Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High Grade
Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
sheepusa.orgproducts.shtml
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ If "farm animals aren't necessary to feed
people", then give us examples of your vegan alternatives to these products which contain animal by-
products and are used in the production of food.

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Jim Webster
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12 January 2004, 10:41 UTC #2

to cut the crossposts moron

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Miller
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12 January 2004, 10:41 UTC #3

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Fri said:
The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people.
These items which contain animal by-products are used in the production of food:
_________________________________________________________
Tires, Paints, Paper, Glass, Glue, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer, Antifreeze
aif.orglvstock.htm ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic, Asphalt, lubricants, high-performance
greases, brake fluid
teachfree.comwow that cow.htm
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
cleaning and polishing compounds, glues for paper and cardboard cartons, inks, PVC
discover.comfeatcow.html
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants, Stearic Acid, Biodegradable
Detergents, Herbicides, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products, Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper
and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape, Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High
Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
sheepusa.orgproducts.shtml
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ If "farm animals aren't necessary to
feed people", then give us examples of your vegan alternatives to these products which contain
animal by-products and are used in the production of food.
After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
Scott

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Jonathan Ball
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12 January 2004, 10:41 UTC #4

Quoted message said:
Fri said:
The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people.
These items which contain animal by-products are used in the production of food:
animal by-products.
Quoted message said:
If "farm animals aren't necessary to feed people",
They aren't.

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Not So Quick
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12 January 2004, 10:41 UTC #5

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Fri said:
The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people.
These items which contain animal by-products are used in the production of food:
_________________________________________________________
Tires, Paints, Paper, Glass, Glue, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer, Antifreeze
aif.orglvstock.htm ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic, Asphalt, lubricants, high-performance
greases, brake fluid
teachfree.comwow that cow.htm
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
cleaning and polishing compounds, glues for paper and cardboard cartons, inks, PVC
discover.comfeatcow.html
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants, Stearic Acid, Biodegradable
Detergents, Herbicides, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products, Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper
and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape, Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High
Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
sheepusa.orgproducts.shtml
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ If "farm animals aren't necessary to
feed people", then give us examples of your vegan alternatives to these products which contain
animal by-products and are used in the production of food.
None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.

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Rick Etter
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12 January 2004, 10:43 UTC #6

"Miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
snippage...
Quoted message said:

After you tell us which of the above things you eat.

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Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
Quoted message said:

Scott

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Jonathan Ball
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12 January 2004, 10:43 UTC #7

Not so quick said:
<[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Fri said:
The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people.
These items which contain animal by-products are used in the production of food:
_________________________________________________________
Tires, Paints, Paper, Glass, Glue, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer, Antifreeze
aif.orglvstock.htm ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic, Asphalt, lubricants, high-performance
greases, brake fluid
teachfree.comwow that cow.htm
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
cleaning and polishing compounds, glues for paper and cardboard cartons, inks, PVC
discover.comfeatcow.html
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
_________________________________________________________
Explosives, Solvents, Industrial Oils, Industrial Lubricants, Stearic Acid, Biodegradable
Detergents, Herbicides, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products, Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper
and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape, Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High
Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings
sheepusa.orgproducts.shtml
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ If "farm animals aren't necessary to
feed people", then give us examples of your vegan alternatives to these products which contain
animal by-products and are used in the production of food.
None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.
You're right! This comes as no big surprise; David

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Drdoody
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12 January 2004, 10:43 UTC #8

"Not so quick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.
No, but the argument is. Veganism isn't just a dietary concern. It's a life choice. A total life
choice and one that, despite what most of you may think, I respect.
Just as long as its praticioners understand that if they live in modern society and enjoy its
luxuries, they can never be truly Vegan. They can reduce their imapct upon the worl'sanimals to a
point, but after that point they must start making serious sacrifices. And I'm not talking about
eating and wearing animals products, either. I'm talking about modern medicines and medical
technology, most if not all of which are tested upon animals. I'm talking about petrochemical
products, which are produced at the expense of animal lives. Every synthetic fiber and piece of
plastic ever used was made with petrochemicals. Do you have any idea how many animals are killed
every year by oil accidents? How many birds every year fly into transmission lines?
No, if you live in this society and enjoy its luxuries, you can never be a true Vegan. You can
choose not to eat animal products.You can choose not to wear animals products. But every time you
fire up your car, turn on a light or don a nylon jacket, you're making use of something that was
created at the expense of animal lives. And you have no right whatsoever to call non-vegans
"murderers" or "animal abusers".
Doc

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Miller
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12 January 2004, 10:44 UTC #9

"rick etter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"Miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
snippage...
Quoted message said:

After you tell us which of the above things you eat.

==============
Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
Well, you see Rick, the thread began with this snip:
"The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people."
Then we have:
"These items which contain animal by-products are used in the production of food:"
followed by a long list of things that presumably use animal by-products. The idea seems to be to
show some sort of prooof that makes the original snippage false. But the author fails, since thge
original point is that farm animals are not necessary to feed people. There is no claim sited
concerning animal by-products used in other non-food products. The list of things that supposedly
have no "vegan alternative" is moot.
Scott

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Jonathan Ball
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12 January 2004, 10:44 UTC #10

drdoody said:
"Not so quick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:BHpKb.101624$pY.31634@fed1read04...
Quoted message said:
None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.
No, but the argument is. Veganism isn't just a dietary concern. It's a life choice. A total life
choice and one that, despite what most of you may think, I respect.
Everything you write following provides the rationale for *not* respecting it. It is a fundamentally
dishonest and hypocritical "lifestyle". I do not respect sanctimonious hypocrites, and that's
exactly what all "vegan" are.
Quoted message said:

Just as long as its praticioners understand that if they live in modern society and enjoy its
luxuries, they can never be truly Vegan. They can reduce their imapct upon the worl'sanimals to a
point, but after that point they must start making serious sacrifices. And I'm not talking about
eating and wearing animals products, either. I'm talking about modern medicines and medical
technology, most if not all of which are tested upon animals. I'm talking about petrochemical
products, which are produced at the expense of animal lives. Every synthetic fiber and piece of
plastic ever used was made with petrochemicals. Do you have any idea how many animals are killed
every year by oil accidents? How many birds every year fly into transmission lines?
No, if you live in this society and enjoy its luxuries, you can never be a true Vegan. You can
choose not to eat animal products.You can choose not to wear animals products. But every time you
fire up your car, turn on a light or don a nylon jacket, you're making use of something that was
created at the expense of animal lives. And you have no right whatsoever to call non-vegans
"murderers" or "animal abusers".
Doc

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Rick Etter
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12 January 2004, 10:45 UTC #11

"Miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"rick etter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"Miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
snippage...
Quoted message said:

After you tell us which of the above things you eat.

==============
Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
Well, you see Rick, the thread began with this snip:
"The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people."
Then we have:
"These items which contain animal by-products are used in the production of food:"
followed by a long list of things that presumably use animal by-products. The idea seems to be to
show some sort of prooof that makes the original snippage false. But the author fails, since thge
original point is that farm animals are not necessary to feed people. There is no claim sited
concerning animal by-products used in other non-food products. The list

of
Quoted message said:
things that supposedly have no "vegan alternative" is moot.

================
Nice tap-dance, but as I stated, veganism is *not* a diet. So, why the concern with only what you
eat? Some need to try and ignore the rest of your bloody footprints?

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Not So Quick
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12 January 2004, 10:45 UTC #12

I'm from Las Vegas and I represent that remark.
"Jonathan Ball" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
drdoody said:
"Not so quick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:BHpKb.101624$pY.31634@fed1read04...
Quoted message said:
None of these url's are valid as far as I can determine.
No, but the argument is. Veganism isn't just a dietary concern. It's a

life
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
choice. A total life choice and one that, despite what most of you may think, I respect.
Everything you write following provides the rationale for *not* respecting it. It is a
fundamentally dishonest and hypocritical "lifestyle". I do not respect sanctimonious hypocrites,
and that's exactly what all "vegan" are.
Quoted message said:

Just as long as its praticioners understand that if they live in modern society and enjoy its
luxuries, they can never be truly Vegan. They can reduce their imapct upon the worl'sanimals to
a point, but after that

point
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
they must start making serious sacrifices. And I'm not talking about

eating
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
and wearing animals products, either. I'm talking about modern medicines

and
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
medical technology, most if not all of which are tested upon animals.

I'm
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
talking about petrochemical products, which are produced at the expense

of
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
animal lives. Every synthetic fiber and piece of plastic ever used was

made
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
with petrochemicals. Do you have any idea how many animals are killed

every
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
year by oil accidents? How many birds every year fly into transmission lines?
No, if you live in this society and enjoy its luxuries, you can never be

a
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
true Vegan. You can choose not to eat animal products.You can choose not

to
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
wear animals products. But every time you fire up your car, turn on a

light
Quoted message said:
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or don a nylon jacket, you're making use of something that was created

at
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
the expense of animal lives. And you have no right whatsoever to call non-vegans "murderers" or
"animal abusers".
Doc

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Miller
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12 January 2004, 10:47 UTC #13

"rick etter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"Miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"rick etter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"Miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
>
snippage...
>
> After you tell us which of the above things you eat.
==============
Why is what you eat your only concern, Veganism isn't a diet.
Well, you see Rick, the thread began with this snip:
"The point is, farm animals aren't necessary to feed people."
Then we have:
"These items which contain animal by-products are used in the production of food:"
followed by a long list of things that presumably use animal

by-products.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
The idea seems to be to show some sort of prooof that makes the original snippage false. But the
author fails, since thge original point is that farm animals are not necessary to feed people.
There is no claim sited concerning animal by-products used in other non-food products. The list

of
Quoted message said:
things that supposedly have no "vegan alternative" is moot.

================
Nice tap-dance, but as I stated, veganism is *not* a diet. So, why the concern with only what you
eat? Some need to try and ignore the rest of your bloody footprints?
Fascinating.
Scott

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