Is your doctor also your mortician ?

My word! You are suffering an attack of common sense... take 2 aspirin and see a professional health
care specialist as soon as possible.

But joking aside, AMA Allopaths are a monopoly that should be broken apart.

I think the biggest hurdle is the "license to practice medicine" that permits manslaughter without
criminal consequences. There was a sound reason to hold a physician immune from "deliberate injury"
claims, because the very ill or terminal patients would be ignored, for fear of liability.

But the bureaucratic practice of medicine, rigidly controlled and confined, creates the protective
umbrella for the medicrats to perform walletectomies and remove pursitis.

Possible reforms: [] Eliminate licensing, and have patients sign waivers, not unlike hospitals
(which are not licensed, but duck criminal culpability just the same). [] Establish state or
national exams, for bestowing credentials, ending monopoly of medical schools. [] Eliminate the
"controlled substance" laws, and have people sign waivers of liability to purchase harmful or
narcotic substances for themselves. [] End abusive medical education and internships. [] Abolish
"practicing medicine without license" laws. [] Open medical / health care education to everyone.

Universal health care is a reality when anyone can provide care for his neighbor, without fear.

No doctor/physician ever cures a patient... people cure themselves, with or without assistance.

Raymond said:

Long ago, doctors may have had a noble purpose, but in the past fifty years they have become mere
prostitutes, accepting money and performing as requested. Since the patient so seldom pays, the
prostitutes do the bidding of the people with the money, the insurance companies and the diabolic
HMOs (Horrendous Medical Organizations).

Doctors have come a long way since the early days. Then they were our heros. Today, they are
more often our villians than our heros and it is the general practioner who is the villian
closest to sending you to your grave. Today, people suffer from the madness of doctors in the
privacy of their funeral homes , while doctors try to escape their sins by spending more time
with their accountants and bankers.

Long ago they realized they had no help to offer. Your doctor may want to help but he has been
brought into a corrupt system that forces him to dance to the tune of the government and
insurance company rules for payment.

And when the doctor loses a profitable patient, he tells the family that he did all he could. To
his peers and to the employees in his office ( that probably knew more about the patient and his
or her medical condition than our doctor ) that the patient died for lack of patient compliance.
"The patient didn't folllow the doctor's orders."

Then, to overcome his grief, he has his office secretary call the Medical/Dental Bureau and
request another ailing body (with insurance) to fill his already overbooked calendar..

Have you noticed? When you visit your GP, or in the case of HMOs, your Primary Care Physician
(PCP), he has no idea what ails you and may have no intention, within you carefully controled
twenty-mintues, to do anything other than to review your blood pressure result and your
temperature, which the nurse was responsible for providing. If you have a temperature, he
assures you that it is the result of "something that is going around." If you have a pain, he
will either prescribe a pain medication , or have blood taken if the pain deceives him and
appears internal rather than muscular. Then, he has you return to his office, no matter how bad
you are feeling, to hear the results of the blood analysis. Then, if scary, you will be sent to
someone who can really treat your condition properly; the specialist, who may or may not know
his specialty as well as he knows his stock portfolio.

If you appear depressed, our GP will either prescribe medications that deal with depression or
send you to a psychiatrist who may have more depression and personal problems than any of his
patients. (Psychiatrists, more than any other profession commit suicide). The family physician
now prescribes more antihypertensive drugs and anytidepressent drugs than psychiatrists. These
drugs are to hide symptoms, or help us to cope without addressing the cause.

And after you are under the ground, who can prove, that the person you trusted the most when you
were ill, that his observations were wrong as well as his treatment.

See GANGSTERS IN MEDICINE rense.comgang.htmOpen ↗ HIPAA and the Criminalization
of American Medicine cato.orgcj22n1 9.pdfOpen ↗

news:<[email hidden]>...

Have a healthy life Bluerhymer

*********************

[email hidden] (Raymond) wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

(Psychiatrists, more than any other profession commit suicide). The family physician now
prescribes more antihypertensive drugs and anytidepressent drugs than psychiatrists. These drugs
are to hide symptoms, or help us to cope without addressing the cause.

WOW! You mean to say that INTERNISTS actually prescribe more BLOOD PRESSURE drugs than
PSYCHIATRISTS? Psychiatry would be a far more profitable specialty if hypertension were considered a
psychiatric diagnosis...

[email hidden] (Raymond) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Long ago, doctors may have had a noble purpose, but in the past fifty years they have become mere
prostitutes, accepting money and performing as requested. Since the patient so seldom pays, the
prostitutes do the bidding of the people with the money, the insurance companies and the diabolic
HMOs (Horrendous Medical Organizations).

Doctors have come a long way since the early days. Then they were our heros. Today, they are
more often our villians than our heros and it is the general practioner who is the villian
closest to sending you to your grave. Today, people suffer from the madness of doctors in the
privacy of their funeral homes , while doctors try to escape their sins by spending more time
with their accountants and bankers.

Long ago they realized they had no help to offer. Your doctor may want to help but he has been
brought into a corrupt system that forces him to dance to the tune of the government and
insurance company rules for payment.

And when the doctor loses a profitable patient, he tells the family that he did all he could. To
his peers and to the employees in his office ( that probably knew more about the patient and his
or her medical condition than our doctor ) that the patient died for lack of patient compliance.
"The patient didn't folllow the doctor's orders."

Then, to overcome his grief, he has his office secretary call the Medical/Dental Bureau and
request another ailing body (with insurance) to fill his already overbooked calendar..

Have you noticed? When you visit your GP, or in the case of HMOs, your Primary Care Physician
(PCP), he has no idea what ails you and may have no intention, within you carefully controled
twenty-mintues, to do anything other than to review your blood pressure result and your
temperature, which the nurse was responsible for providing. If you have a temperature, he
assures you that it is the result of "something that is going around." If you have a pain, he
will either prescribe a pain medication , or have blood taken if the pain deceives him and
appears internal rather than muscular. Then, he has you return to his office, no matter how bad
you are feeling, to hear the results of the blood analysis. Then, if scary, you will be sent to
someone who can really treat your condition properly; the specialist, who may or may not know
his specialty as well as he knows his stock portfolio.

If you appear depressed, our GP will either prescribe medications that deal with depression or
send you to a psychiatrist who may have more depression and personal problems than any of his
patients. (Psychiatrists, more than any other profession commit suicide). The family physician
now prescribes more antihypertensive drugs and anytidepressent drugs than psychiatrists. These
drugs are to hide symptoms, or help us to cope without addressing the cause.

And after you are under the ground, who can prove, that the person you trusted the most when you
were ill, that his observations were wrong as well as his treatment. <snip>

If this worries you - just don't go to doctors. And just maybe don't get fat and idle. Still
little old ladies seem to live a long time and go to doctors - or is it owning a poodle that keeps
them alive.

Is your doctor also your murderer? Could be.

There's a saying: "Trust but verify."

However, when dealing with doctors (many of whom seem to be trying to grab your wallet with both
hands, as they're kicking you into your grave), ... it's important to be a whole lot more careful
than that.

Don't trust, & keep asking a lot of questions.

Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

"jetgraphics" <jetgraphics@no_spamcharter.net> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

My word! You are suffering an attack of common sense... take 2 aspirin and see a professional
health care specialist as soon as possible.

But joking aside, AMA Allopaths are a monopoly that should be broken

apart.

Quoted message said:

I think the biggest hurdle is the "license to practice medicine" that permits manslaughter without
criminal consequences. There was a sound reason to hold a physician immune from "deliberate
injury" claims, because the very ill or terminal patients would be ignored, for fear of liability.

But the bureaucratic practice of medicine, rigidly controlled and

confined,

Quoted message said:

creates the protective umbrella for the medicrats to perform

walletectomies

Quoted message said:

and remove pursitis.

Possible reforms: [] Eliminate licensing, and have patients sign waivers, not unlike

hospitals

Quoted message said:

(which are not licensed, but duck criminal culpability just the same). [] Establish state or
national exams, for bestowing credentials, ending monopoly of medical schools. [] Eliminate the
"controlled substance" laws, and have people sign waivers of liability to purchase harmful or
narcotic substances for themselves. [] End abusive medical education and internships. [] Abolish
"practicing medicine without license" laws. [] Open medical / health care education to everyone.

And just how will this improve medical care? What would medicine look like without any ethical,
professional, scientific or educational standards, and if in addition, any fear of litigation was
removed? (Which, incidentally, the signing of waivers doesn't.)

Or is this a joke --- you are sending the previous correspondent up?

Peter Moran

"Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4001dad2$0$822$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com .au...

Quoted message said:

"jetgraphics" <jetgraphics@no_spamcharter.net> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

My word! You are suffering an attack of common sense... take 2 aspirin

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

see a professional health care specialist as soon as possible.

But joking aside, AMA Allopaths are a monopoly that should be broken

apart.

Quoted message said:

I think the biggest hurdle is the "license to practice medicine" that permits manslaughter
without criminal consequences. There was a sound reason to hold a physician immune from
"deliberate injury" claims,

because

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the very ill or terminal patients would be ignored, for fear of

liability.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But the bureaucratic practice of medicine, rigidly controlled and

confined,

Quoted message said:

creates the protective umbrella for the medicrats to perform

walletectomies

Quoted message said:

and remove pursitis.

Possible reforms: [] Eliminate licensing, and have patients sign waivers, not unlike

hospitals

Quoted message said:

(which are not licensed, but duck criminal culpability just the same). [] Establish state or
national exams, for bestowing credentials, ending monopoly of medical schools. [] Eliminate the
"controlled substance" laws, and have people sign

waivers

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of liability to purchase harmful or narcotic substances for themselves. [] End abusive medical
education and internships. [] Abolish "practicing medicine without license" laws. [] Open
medical / health care education to everyone.

And just how will this improve medical care? What would medicine look like without any ethical,
professional, scientific or educational

standards,

Quoted message said:

and if in addition, any fear of litigation was removed? (Which, incidentally, the signing of
waivers doesn't.)

Or is this a joke --- you are sending the previous correspondent up?

Peter Moran

Doctor Miller, the small-town physician,

Could cure almost any condition.

And not only that,

With a change of his hat,

He was also the small-town mortician.

--Rich ;o)

[email hidden] (cramer) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (Raymond) wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Long ago, doctors may have had a noble purpose, but in the past fifty years they have become
mere prostitutes, accepting money and performing as requested. Since the patient so seldom pays,
the prostitutes do the bidding of the people with the money, the insurance companies and the
diabolic HMOs (Horrendous Medical Organizations).

Doctors have come a long way since the early days. Then they were our heros. Today, they are
more often our villians than our heros and it is the general practioner who is the villian
closest to sending you to your grave. Today, people suffer from the madness of doctors in the
privacy of their funeral homes , while doctors try to escape their sins by spending more time
with their accountants and bankers.

Long ago they realized they had no help to offer. Your doctor may want to help but he has been
brought into a corrupt system that forces him to dance to the tune of the government and
insurance company rules for payment.

And when the doctor loses a profitable patient, he tells the family that he did all he could.
To his peers and to the employees in his office ( that probably knew more about the patient
and his or her medical condition than our doctor ) that the patient died for lack of patient
compliance. "The patient didn't folllow the doctor's orders."

Then, to overcome his grief, he has his office secretary call the Medical/Dental Bureau and
request another ailing body (with insurance) to fill his already overbooked calendar..

Have you noticed? When you visit your GP, or in the case of HMOs, your Primary Care Physician
(PCP), he has no idea what ails you and may have no intention, within you carefully controled
twenty-mintues, to do anything other than to review your blood pressure result and your
temperature, which the nurse was responsible for providing. If you have a temperature, he
assures you that it is the result of "something that is going around." If you have a pain, he
will either prescribe a pain medication , or have blood taken if the pain deceives him and
appears internal rather than muscular. Then, he has you return to his office, no matter how
bad you are feeling, to hear the results of the blood analysis. Then, if scary, you will be
sent to someone who can really treat your condition properly; the specialist, who may or may
not know his specialty as well as he knows his stock portfolio.

If you appear depressed, our GP will either prescribe medications that deal with depression or
send you to a psychiatrist who may have more depression and personal problems than any of his
patients. (Psychiatrists, more than any other profession commit suicide). The family physician
now prescribes more antihypertensive drugs and anytidepressent drugs than psychiatrists. These
drugs are to hide symptoms, or help us to cope without addressing the cause.

And after you are under the ground, who can prove, that the person you trusted the most when
you were ill, that his observations were wrong as well as his treatment. <snip>

If this worries you - just don't go to doctors. And just maybe don't get fat and idle. Still
little old ladies seem to live a long time and go to doctors - or is it owning a poodle that
keeps them alive.

************

Dear Cramer:

Maybe you should stick with TV situation comedy where professional comedy writers provide the
dialogue. Please say "Hello" to Jerry Seinfeld next time you see him. And, will the two of you
be working together again soon?

Although I am not an old lady, I will look into the evidence that owning a poodle will
extend my life.

Thank you. Shalom Bluerhymer

**************

Patricia <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Raymond said:

And after you are under the ground, who can prove, that the person you trusted the most when
you were ill, that his observations were wrong as well as his treatment.

See GANGSTERS IN MEDICINE

rense.comgang.htmOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

--------

I think you need a new doctor, Raymond. There may be many who fit your description but so far I
haven't met one.

************

Dear "Lucky" Patricia,

Indeed you are lucky. I pray that your good fortune continues. And if you read my post
thoroughly you should have noticed that I did not discuss any of my own personal experiences
with doctors, although I could have. You obviously have not been the fatal victim of a drunken
driver either, yet over 15,000 persons each year die as a result of their reckless behavior. (
16,652 in 2001 with 513,000 injured as the result of drinking ). And yet, this number is far
lower than similar deaths of patients who succumbed to the reckless behavior of doctors. And of
course, all drivers do not drive drunk just as all physicians do not make medical errors that
result in the death of patients. I suspect that you are very wealthy and have never been without
good health care insurance, nor been the victim of the greedy HMO executive.

"If you've ever grumbled about how the press plays up one of tragedy while ignoring millions of
successes, you won't enjoy reading this. But you should. There's a lesson here about managed
care's failure to tell its story effectively."

See: A News Reporter Explains His 'Horror Stories'. by Wm. Sherman, a Pulitzer Prize winning
journalist and Emmy and Peabody award-winning television news correspondent and producer. He won
the Pulitzer for an 18 part series on abuses of the national medicalprogram by providers who were
delivering substandard care.

managedcaremag.com0709.reporterview.shtmlOpen ↗

More reading; Incriminating Documents; Nurses vs. HMOs anticorp.comhmo.htmOpen ↗

boschs.orger horror.shtmlOpen ↗

Bluerhymer

**************

Quoted message said:

Neither my father (then) or my daughter (now) resemble the kind of physician you describe.

My primary care doctor knows my name, my concerns and IF I do need some kind of test it's arranged
and he or his PA will call with the results.

If the news is good..no problem if it isn't ... I have an appointment that day or the next to
discuss the matter with him and make an informed decision on what to do about it.

Lucky in Florida... Patricia

jetgraphics <jetgraphics@no_spamcharter.net> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

My word! You are suffering an attack of common sense... take 2 aspirin and see a professional
health care specialist as soon as possible.

But joking aside, AMA Allopaths are a monopoly that should be broken apart.

I think the biggest hurdle is the "license to practice medicine" that permits manslaughter without
criminal consequences. There was a sound reason to hold a physician immune from "deliberate
injury" claims, because the very ill or terminal patients would be ignored, for fear of liability.

But the bureaucratic practice of medicine, rigidly controlled and confined, creates the protective
umbrella for the medicrats to perform walletectomies and remove pursitis.

****************

All very true. Much of the problem comes from the protection the medical community receives from
the President and the prostitutes in the Congress. An estimated 40 percent of the 17,800 lobbyists
registered in Washington promote health care agendas. ( $1.56 billion last year was spent to sway
Congress and the Executive branch.) There are 13 health care lobbyists for each of the 535 members
of Congress. How many lobbyists are there to protect you from this pathetically destructive
community of murderers and thieves? Ask your "HO" in Congress how much he/she takes to keep the
issue one-sided, then vote him/her out of office. Clean house and start over. And both parties are
guilty, so don't pick on one of the parasite political groups.

See: Lobbyists That The founders Just Never Dreamed Of "The 'right'... to petition the
government has come a long way in over 200 years, and health care organizations are not shy in
excercising it."

managedcaremag.com0208.lobbying.htmlOpen ↗

Check: physicianreports.comphysicianreports.comOpen ↗ healthcaremag.comhealthcaremag.comOpen ↗

Thank you Bluerhymer
*****************

Quoted message said:

Possible reforms: [] Eliminate licensing, and have patients sign waivers, not unlike hospitals
(which are not licensed, but duck criminal culpability just the same). [] Establish state or
national exams, for bestowing credentials, ending monopoly of medical schools. [] Eliminate the
"controlled substance" laws, and have people sign waivers of liability to purchase harmful or
narcotic substances for themselves. [] End abusive medical education and internships. [] Abolish
"practicing medicine without license" laws. [] Open medical / health care education to everyone.

Universal health care is a reality when anyone can provide care for his neighbor, without fear.

No doctor/physician ever cures a patient... people cure themselves, with or without assistance.

Raymond said:

Long ago, doctors may have had a noble purpose, but in the past fifty years they have become
mere prostitutes, accepting money and performing as requested. Since the patient so seldom pays,
the prostitutes do the bidding of the people with the money, the insurance companies and the
diabolic HMOs (Horrendous Medical Organizations).

Doctors have come a long way since the early days. Then they were our heros. Today, they are
more often our villians than our heros and it is the general practioner who is the villian
closest to sending you to your grave. Today, people suffer from the madness of doctors in the
privacy of their funeral homes , while doctors try to escape their sins by spending more time
with their accountants and bankers.

Long ago they realized they had no help to offer. Your doctor may want to help but he has been
brought into a corrupt system that forces him to dance to the tune of the government and
insurance company rules for payment.

And when the doctor loses a profitable patient, he tells the family that he did all he could.
To his peers and to the employees in his office ( that probably knew more about the patient
and his or her medical condition than our doctor ) that the patient died for lack of patient
compliance. "The patient didn't folllow the doctor's orders."

Then, to overcome his grief, he has his office secretary call the Medical/Dental Bureau and
request another ailing body (with insurance) to fill his already overbooked calendar..

Have you noticed? When you visit your GP, or in the case of HMOs, your Primary Care Physician
(PCP), he has no idea what ails you and may have no intention, within you carefully controled
twenty-mintues, to do anything other than to review your blood pressure result and your
temperature, which the nurse was responsible for providing. If you have a temperature, he
assures you that it is the result of "something that is going around." If you have a pain, he
will either prescribe a pain medication , or have blood taken if the pain deceives him and
appears internal rather than muscular. Then, he has you return to his office, no matter how
bad you are feeling, to hear the results of the blood analysis. Then, if scary, you will be
sent to someone who can really treat your condition properly; the specialist, who may or may
not know his specialty as well as he knows his stock portfolio.

If you appear depressed, our GP will either prescribe medications that deal with depression or
send you to a psychiatrist who may have more depression and personal problems than any of his
patients. (Psychiatrists, more than any other profession commit suicide). The family physician
now prescribes more antihypertensive drugs and anytidepressent drugs than psychiatrists. These
drugs are to hide symptoms, or help us to cope without addressing the cause.

And after you are under the ground, who can prove, that the person you trusted the most when
you were ill, that his observations were wrong as well as his treatment.

See GANGSTERS IN MEDICINE rense.comgang.htmOpen ↗ HIPAA and the Criminalization
of American Medicine cato.orgcj22n1 9.pdfOpen ↗

news:<[email hidden]>...

Have a healthy life Bluerhymer

*********************

[email hidden] (Olly Mensch) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Eric - good reply to a ridiculous post. I, too, have had several negative experiences, over the
many years, with doctors who"goofed' one way or another. That does not mean the majority are sub-
standard. The fact that the writer is confused about hypertensive medicines and/or anti-
depressants tells you something about his inabiity to arrive at a fair judgment. Olly

***************
Dear Eric: Olly Mensch is within his prerogative to be critical since in Yiddish "Mensch" or
"Mensh" means a person having admirable characteristics, such as fortitude and firmness of
purpose. However, he may be interseted in knowing that it is not I who am confused about the
named drugs. He should therefore contact Mr.Stan Montgomery author of: The Downward Spiral of
Medical Corruption, who wrote in his article: "The psychs have now reached their influence into
all medical practices since more antihypersensative drugs and antidepressent drugs are prescribed
by family physicians than psychiatrists."

See: flash.netcorrupt.htmOpen ↗

Best wishes and Shalom The Tenth Man Bluerhymer

************

[email hidden] (Raymond) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Patricia <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Raymond said:

And after you are under the ground, who can prove, that the person you trusted the most when
you were ill, that his observations were wrong as well as his treatment.

See GANGSTERS IN MEDICINE

rense.comgang.htmOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

--------

I think you need a new doctor, Raymond. There may be many who fit your description but so far I
haven't met one.

************

Dear "Lucky" Patricia,

Indeed you are lucky. I pray that your good fortune continues. And if you read my post
thoroughly you should have noticed that I did not discuss any of my own personal experiences
with doctors, although I could have. You obviously have not been the fatal victim of a drunken
driver either, yet over 15,000 persons each year die as a result of their reckless behavior. (
16,652 in 2001 with 513,000 injured as the result of drinking ). And yet, this number is far
lower than similar deaths of patients who succumbed to the reckless behavior of doctors. And
of course, all drivers do not drive drunk just as all physicians do not make medical errors
that result in the death of patients. I suspect that you are very wealthy and have never been
without good health care insurance, nor been the victim of the greedy HMO executive.

"If you've ever grumbled about how the press plays up one of tragedy while ignoring millions of
successes, you won't enjoy reading this. But you should. There's a lesson here about managed
care's failure to tell its story effectively."

See: A News Reporter Explains His 'Horror Stories'. by Wm. Sherman, a Pulitzer Prize winning
journalist and Emmy and Peabody award-winning television news correspondent and producer. He won
the Pulitzer for an 18 part series on abuses of the national medicalprogram by providers who
were delivering substandard care.

See CORRECTION BELOW

Quoted message said:

managedcaremag.com9709.reporterview.shtmlOpen ↗

More reading; Incriminating Documents; Nurses vs. HMOs anticorp.comhmo.htmOpen ↗

boschs.orger horror.shtmlOpen ↗

Bluerhymer

**************

Quoted message said:

Neither my father (then) or my daughter (now) resemble the kind of physician you describe.

My primary care doctor knows my name, my concerns and IF I do need some kind of test it's
arranged and he or his PA will call with the results.

If the news is good..no problem if it isn't ... I have an appointment that day or the next to
discuss the matter with him and make an informed decision on what to do about it.

Lucky in Florida... Patricia

(My mothers doctor was a rather successful mortician) Anth

"Raymond" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Patricia <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Raymond said:

And after you are under the ground, who can prove, that the person you trusted the most when
you were ill, that his observations were wrong as well as his treatment.

See GANGSTERS IN MEDICINE

rense.comgang.htmOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

--------

I think you need a new doctor, Raymond. There may be many who fit your description but so far I
haven't met one.

************

Dear "Lucky" Patricia,

Indeed you are lucky. I pray that your good fortune continues. And if you read my post
thoroughly you should have noticed that I did not discuss any of my own personal experiences
with doctors, although I could have. You obviously have not been the fatal victim of a drunken
driver either, yet over 15,000 persons each year die as a result of their reckless behavior. (
16,652 in 2001 with 513,000 injured as the result of drinking ). And yet, this number is far
lower than similar deaths of patients who succumbed to the reckless behavior of doctors. And
of course, all drivers do not drive drunk just as all physicians do not make medical errors
that result in the death of patients. I suspect that you are very wealthy and have never been
without good health care insurance, nor been the victim of the greedy HMO executive.

"If you've ever grumbled about how the press plays up one of tragedy while ignoring millions of
successes, you won't enjoy reading this. But you should. There's a lesson here about managed
care's failure to tell its story effectively."

See: A News Reporter Explains His 'Horror Stories'. by Wm. Sherman, a Pulitzer Prize winning
journalist and Emmy and Peabody award-winning television news correspondent and producer. He won
the Pulitzer for an 18 part series on abuses of the national medicalprogram by providers who
were delivering substandard care.

managedcaremag.com0709.reporterview.shtmlOpen ↗

More reading; Incriminating Documents; Nurses vs. HMOs anticorp.comhmo.htmOpen ↗

boschs.orger horror.shtmlOpen ↗

Bluerhymer

**************

Quoted message said:

Neither my father (then) or my daughter (now) resemble the kind of physician you describe.

My primary care doctor knows my name, my concerns and IF I do need some kind of test it's
arranged and he or his PA will call with the results.

If the news is good..no problem if it isn't ... I have an appointment that day or the next to
discuss the matter with him and make an informed decision on what to do about it.

Lucky in Florida... Patricia

[email hidden] (Raymond) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Patricia <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Raymond said:

And after you are under the ground, who can prove, that the person you trusted the most when
you were ill, that his observations were wrong as well as his treatment.

See GANGSTERS IN MEDICINE

rense.comgang.htmOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

--------

I think you need a new doctor, Raymond. There may be many who fit your description but so far I
haven't met one.

************

Dear "Lucky" Patricia,

Indeed you are lucky. I pray that your good fortune continues. And if you read my post
thoroughly you should have noticed that I did not discuss any of my own personal experiences
with doctors, although I could have. You obviously have not been the fatal victim of a drunken
driver either, yet over 15,000 persons each year die as a result of their reckless behavior. (
16,652 in 2001 with 513,000 injured as the result of drinking ).

And far more drivers reach their destinations alive & well.

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And yet, this number is far lower than similar deaths of patients who succumbed to the reckless
behavior of doctors. And of course, all drivers do not drive drunk just as all physicians do not
make medical errors that result in the death of patients.

Just as there are people in EVERY profession (many of whom could potentially be a danger to others)
who don't know what the heck they're doing or who don't give a rat's behind about their work. Cops,
airline pilots, soldiers, truck drivers -- the list goes on & on -- include such people among their
ranks. Fortunately, just as in the case of MD's, these are the minority. There are incompetent
doctors. They are not the majority of those practicing medicine -- they are simply the ones we read
the horrifying stories about. In addition, we must remember that -- unlike victims killed by drivers
under the influence -- people going to MD's often arrive at the office with a problem to begin with
(indeed a problem that may be quite serious) that may make their treatment an uphill battle no
matter what is done.

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I suspect that you are very wealthy and have never been without good health care insurance, nor
been the victim of the greedy HMO executive.

Many of us have had periods without health insurance at all. I went 9 years without any coverage --
even though I always worked, paid my bills & taxes, & fell into the category of middle-class
homeowner. During that time, I never had difficulty finding MD's (& a great dentist) who provided me
with competent medical care.

The health insurance industry, a public demanding quick fixes for problems they quite often refuse
to accept any responsibility for preventing or mitigating, the pros & cons of how we administer
medical care, & our wishful thinking that every patient's story should have a happy ending can make
the provision of health care difficult sometimes. An idea like specialization is a double-edged
sword that can provide the best possible diagnosis & treatment of a disorder -- or it can overly
narrow a doctor's scope of expertise & limit the successful resolution of a problem. Having an HMO
pay for doctors' office visits, diagnostic tests, prescriptions, &/or surgery may be the only way a
patient can access such services -- or it may prevent the patient from getting the treatment(s) that
they desperately need. The problems we complain about aren't cut & dried with simple answers.

It would be nice to be able to accurately place the blame for the problems we have in our health
care system at the feet of a single group, which would let us feel we finally had "the answer" to
solving them. But there isn't any one group that really fits the bill.

Michele I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

jetgraphics <jetgraphics@no_spamcharter.net> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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My word! You are suffering an attack of common sense... take 2 aspirin and see a professional
health care specialist as soon as possible.

But joking aside, AMA Allopaths are a monopoly that should be broken apart.

I think the biggest hurdle is the "license to practice medicine" that permits manslaughter without
criminal consequences. There was a sound reason to hold a physician immune from "deliberate
injury" claims, because the very ill or terminal patients would be ignored, for fear of liability.

But the bureaucratic practice of medicine, rigidly controlled and confined, creates the protective
umbrella for the medicrats to perform walletectomies and remove pursitis.

Possible reforms: [] Eliminate licensing, and have patients sign waivers, not unlike hospitals
(which are not licensed, but duck criminal culpability just the same). [] Establish state or
national exams, for bestowing credentials, ending monopoly of medical schools. [] Eliminate the
"controlled substance" laws, and have people sign waivers of liability to purchase harmful or
narcotic substances for themselves. [] End abusive medical education and internships. [] Abolish
"practicing medicine without license" laws. [] Open medical / health care education to everyone.

Universal health care is a reality when anyone can provide care for his neighbor, without fear.

lets see...floppy aortic valve needs a replacement, lets see what the guy next door has in
his garage.

Tool list: hedge clippers
1/2 inch socket set mitre saw shop vac

good to go...

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No doctor/physician ever cures a patient... people cure themselves, with or without assistance.

See above you moron.

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Raymond said:

Long ago, doctors may have had a noble purpose, but in the past fifty years they have become
mere prostitutes, accepting money and performing as requested. Since the patient so seldom pays,
the prostitutes do the bidding of the people with the money, the insurance companies and the
diabolic HMOs (Horrendous Medical Organizations).

Doctors have come a long way since the early days. Then they were our heros. Today, they are
more often our villians than our heros and it is the general practioner who is the villian
closest to sending you to your grave. Today, people suffer from the madness of doctors in the
privacy of their funeral homes , while doctors try to escape their sins by spending more time
with their accountants and bankers.

Long ago they realized they had no help to offer. Your doctor may want to help but he has been
brought into a corrupt system that forces him to dance to the tune of the government and
insurance company rules for payment.

And when the doctor loses a profitable patient, he tells the family that he did all he could.
To his peers and to the employees in his office ( that probably knew more about the patient
and his or her medical condition than our doctor ) that the patient died for lack of patient
compliance. "The patient didn't folllow the doctor's orders."

Then, to overcome his grief, he has his office secretary call the Medical/Dental Bureau and
request another ailing body (with insurance) to fill his already overbooked calendar..

Have you noticed? When you visit your GP, or in the case of HMOs, your Primary Care Physician
(PCP), he has no idea what ails you and may have no intention, within you carefully controled
twenty-mintues, to do anything other than to review your blood pressure result and your
temperature, which the nurse was responsible for providing. If you have a temperature, he
assures you that it is the result of "something that is going around." If you have a pain, he
will either prescribe a pain medication , or have blood taken if the pain deceives him and
appears internal rather than muscular. Then, he has you return to his office, no matter how
bad you are feeling, to hear the results of the blood analysis. Then, if scary, you will be
sent to someone who can really treat your condition properly; the specialist, who may or may
not know his specialty as well as he knows his stock portfolio.

If you appear depressed, our GP will either prescribe medications that deal with depression or
send you to a psychiatrist who may have more depression and personal problems than any of his
patients. (Psychiatrists, more than any other profession commit suicide). The family physician
now prescribes more antihypertensive drugs and anytidepressent drugs than psychiatrists. These
drugs are to hide symptoms, or help us to cope without addressing the cause.

And after you are under the ground, who can prove, that the person you trusted the most when
you were ill, that his observations were wrong as well as his treatment.

See GANGSTERS IN MEDICINE rense.comgang.htmOpen ↗ HIPAA and the Criminalization
of American Medicine cato.orgcj22n1 9.pdfOpen ↗

news:<[email hidden]>...

Have a healthy life Bluerhymer

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