Go Phil Bixby

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The man himself is probably too modest to boast, but I saw this
on the BBC website today:

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Full marks there.

Arthur

Seems great! Could do with more constructive thinking and vision of that man!

Cheers, helen s

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Arthur Clune said:

The man himself is probably too modest to boast, but I saw this on the BBC website today:

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Full marks there.

The cycle store will end up full of junk (like most people's garages) and there will be a car on the
kerb outside. Cars are far too cheap these days.

Nice idea though.

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The cycle store will end up full of junk (like most people's garages) and there will be a car on
the kerb outside. Cars are far too cheap these days.

Nice idea though.

At least the facility is there for a bike to be stored - and you never know - from small acorns...
at least the initial encouragement is given - all to the positive IMO

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Yikes! My cover's blown!

Much credit for the scheme should go to York Housing Association, and the invlovement of development
manager John Gilham - a keen cyclist and member of a car-free household. YHA co-hosted a one-day
conference a while back called "More Homes - Fewer Cars" which raised all sorts of interesting
issues about designing our cities to encourage lower car use. Well done that man.

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The cycle store will end up full of junk (like most people's garages) and there will be a car on
the kerb outside. Cars are far too cheap these days.

Nice idea though.

Well.. ..YHA *are* marketing the scheme in ways to attract non-car-dependent tenants, and we did
design it in ways to encourage this. There's no formal hardstanding anywhere; the front garden lawn
is on "Grassway" (recycled plastic mesh which can be parked on but grass grows well through) so
occupants have a choice of a front garden or a car. The road is informal, block paved, traffic
calmed and designed to encourage kids play, so cars parked on it will hopefully be used as
goalposts.

Cars may be cheap but car use is still (I'm told) pretty expensive. York is the sort of city which
offers real opportunities to live car-free if you want to - it's pretty hard to think of a rush-hour
journey within the ring road that can be done quicker by car than by bike, most days. As an
architect you can't (and probably shouldn't try to) make anybody live in any particular way - but
you can at least remove as many obstacles as possible to them having choices beyond the obvious, and
you can drop hints about priorities other than those of the allegedly oppressed motorist.

The south-facing sunspace, btw, has a quarry-tiled floor and makes a very lovely bike workshop....

Phil B (Going!) York, UK

Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote:

: The cycle store will end up full of junk (like most people's garages) and there will be a car on
: the kerb outside. Cars are far too cheap these days.

A little overly cynical methinks. It's easy to live without a car in York (small city, high-density)
and there is a very high percentage of cyclists already. It's not like trying to build bike-friendly
housing in Slough...

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Yikes! My cover's blown!

Excellent, Bill. Well done indeed!

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Arthur Clune said:

Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote:

: The cycle store will end up full of junk (like most people's garages) and there will be a car on
: the kerb outside. Cars are far too cheap these days.

A little overly cynical methinks. It's easy to live without a car in York (small city, high-
density) and there is a very high percentage of cyclists already. It's not like trying to build bike-
friendly housing in Slough...

I know i promised i was leaving but [a] residential bike parking is something i know a bit about and
[b] my visit to hospital was a bit of a downer - i aint getting better after all will be continueing
to talk about cycling rather than doing it for quite some time.

All planning authorities should by now have adopted a set of parking standards for all new
developments [inc residential]. Among other things these specify a *max* number of car parking
spaces [1.5 on average] in place of the previous *minimum* of two per dwelling. The degree of grief
this cultural change is causing is such that the govt. is getting cold feet and there are rumours of
a pending u-turn.

The parking standards include a *minimum* level of bike parking. The Hants requirement is pretty
impressive and demands long term parking [ie a garage, shed or locker] in addition to short term
parking [ie a sheffield stand or secure point nr the front door to lock to when visiting].

If you want more info but don't want to read PPG3, read:

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in particular, here:

odpm.gov.ukodpm plan 605962.pdfOpen ↗

and

odpm.gov.ukodpm plan 605958.pdfOpen ↗

Domestic bike parking is the foundation on which higher levels of cycling can be built. Unless
people have somewhere to store a bike at home, they will never even have the opportunity to
choose to cycle.

I'm fairly certain that unless there are bike-aware cllrs on the planning committe that these
requirements aer widely ignored. You also need someone who'll make sure it's usable parking that is
proposed rather than an innaccessible 'wheelbender'. I was vice chairman of planning until i was car-
mashed last month[1] so i'd like to thibk that most of the new houses, shops and workplaces round
here are usable by people on bikes.

Once prompted, developers and officers have been fairly amenable to incorporating bike parking.
Implementing reduced car parking has been interestung - even*i* think it might have gone a bit far
in som,e cases.

Arthur Clune said:

It's not like trying to build bike-friendly housing in Slough...

Pointless anyway, there, since it's no longer fit for humans either
(c) J Betjemen

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On 6 Jan 2004 09:22:52 GMT, "Arthur Clune" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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It's not like trying to build bike-friendly housing in Slough...

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Pointless anyway, there, since it's no longer fit for humans either
(c) J Betjemen

but their wives frizz out peroxide hair and dry it in synthetic air and paint their nails

It's not their fault they do not know the birdsong from the radio it's not their fault they often go
to Maidenhead

and talk of sport and makes of cars in various bogus Tudor bars....

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but their wives frizz out peroxide hair and dry it in synthetic air and paint their nails

It's not their fault they do not know the birdsong from the radio it's not their fault they often
go to Maidenhead

and talk of sport and makes of cars in various bogus Tudor bars....

No change there, then.

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Pointless anyway, there, since it's no longer fit for humans either
(c) J Betjemen

This is the poem Slough, by Sir John Betjeman, probably never been here in his life.

Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough, It isn't fit for humans now.

Right, I don't think you solve town planning problems by dropping bombs all over the place, he's
embarrassed himself there. Next,

In labour-saving homes, with care Their wives frizz out peroxide hair And dry it in synthetic
air And paint their nails.

They wanna look nice. What's the matter, doesn't he like girls?

And talk of sport and makes of cars In various bogus-Tudor bars And daren't look up and see the
stars But belch instead.

What's he on about? What, has he never burped?

Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough To get it ready for the plough. The cabbages are coming
now; The earth exhales.

He's the only cabbage round here. And they made him a night of the realm. Overrated.

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and talk of sport and makes of cars in various bogus Tudor bars....

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No change there, then.

Nope! It makes me giggle thinking that Betjeman wrote this in the 1930s and in some ways so little
has changed.

The Earth exhales

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The Earth exhales

Gravity is bunk - Earth sucks!

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David Brent

What would he know about culcha? He was born in Reading... ;-)

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Helen Deborah Vecht <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Pointless anyway, there, since it's no longer fit for humans either
(c) J Betjemen

This is the poem Slough, by Sir John Betjeman, probably never been here in his life.

Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough, It isn't fit for humans now.

Right, I don't think you solve town planning problems by dropping bombs all over the place, he's
embarrassed himself there. Next,

In labour-saving homes, with care Their wives frizz out peroxide hair And dry it in synthetic
air And paint their nails.

They wanna look nice. What's the matter, doesn't he like girls?

H'mmmm... Hoist, I think, with your own petard.

Simon, quite sure men from Slough like girls with dyed hair and painted nails.

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[email hidden] (Dave Kahn) writes:

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They wanna look nice. What's the matter, doesn't he like girls?

H'mmmm... Hoist, I think, with your own petard.

?????

It was a quote from "The Office" in case you hadn't realised. David Brent's literary criticism. :-)

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Dave Kahn said:

It was a quote from "The Office" in case you hadn't realised. David Brent's literary
criticism. :-)

That would explain why it wasn't funny...

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Dave Kahn said:

It was a quote from "The Office" in case you hadn't realised. David Brent's literary
criticism. :-)

That would explain why it wasn't funny...

It seemed funny when Ricky Gervais did it. Maybe it's the way I type.

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Dave Kahn said:

It seemed funny when Ricky Gervais did it. Maybe it's the way I type.

Nah, 's just I appear to be one of six people in the country who find that "The Office" is
everything a comedy should be except funny. It's "Spinal Tap" without the jokes, IMHO.

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