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  1. I was going to call you privately on this but I getting this subject out on Usenet for archive is a
    better thing to do.

    I have a close friend, an attorney, age 58, 315 lbs at 6"1. On 19 Dec (Fri), he flunked a stress
    treadmill , out of breath and prior to elevation. The details are sketchy.

    On 26 Dec, after a catherization revealed multiple blockages, he had a quad bypass at Crawford
    Long. He returned home last Saturday, called me, no pain, feels better, bed resting, etc. He is
    Type 2 diabetic

    Two questions.

    If he does not improve his health parameters (morbid obesity, alcohol intake, sat fat laden diet, no
    exercise, stressed work), what is his statistical probabilities for length of life, an MI,
    additional blockages and such.

    If he does improve all of the above, what then?

    And in the interim, between now and obtaining a healthy lifestyle, will his risks decrease, increase
    or stay the same?

    I understand these are very general parameters but what would you be telling him, with this
    information and no examination, if he sought your counsel?

    antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap031111.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

  2. Eclipsed M_unlight said:

    I was going to call you privately on this but I getting this subject out on Usenet for archive is
    a better thing to do.

    I have a close friend, an attorney, age 58, 315 lbs at 6"1. On 19 Dec (Fri), he flunked a stress
    treadmill , out of breath and prior to elevation. The details are sketchy.

    On 26 Dec, after a catherization revealed multiple blockages, he had a quad bypass at Crawford
    Long. He returned home last Saturday, called me, no pain, feels better, bed resting, etc. He is
    Type 2 diabetic

    Two questions.

    If he does not improve his health parameters (morbid obesity, alcohol intake, sat fat laden diet,
    no exercise, stressed work), what is his statistical probabilities for length of life, an MI,
    additional blockages and such.

    He may have a 20-30% chance of having a heart attack each year. About a 5-10 percent change of dying
    each year.

    Quoted message said:


    If he does improve all of the above, what then?

    His chance of heart attack should decrease to a more acceptable 0.5 to 1.0
    %

    Quoted message said:


    And in the interim, between now and obtaining a healthy lifestyle, will his risks decrease,
    increase or stay the same?

    Increase.

    Quoted message said:


    I understand these are very general parameters but what would you be telling him, with this
    information and no examination, if he sought your counsel?

    Ask his doctor about a daily aspirin, lipid lowering medication, ACE-inhibitor therapy, and the
    2PD approach:

    heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

  3. On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:54:30 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
    (in message <[email hidden]>😉:

    Quoted message said:

    Eclipsed M_unlight wrote:


    < < Mu sets'em up...>

    Quoted message said:

    Ask his doctor about a daily aspirin, lipid lowering medication, ACE-inhibitor therapy, and the
    2PD approach:

    heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp

    Chung knocks'em over the fence :-)

    Whatta team! You gotta love'em :-) The "Dynamic Duo" :-)

    Like Mu needed to be reminded about the "2PD approach".

    But I'll bet he _would_ appreciate being reminded about the 2FD approach :-)

    I developed the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) as a replacement for Dr. Chung's Amazing Logic Defying
    Two Pound Diet to avoid having to carry a scale around.

    Inspired by Dr. Chung's scientific approach, as described on his website, in 2003, my wife and I
    attended an IMAX film about climbing the Bavarian Alps and learned that despite their exhausting
    regimen, the climbers consumed only 10 packages of wieners per week. That's less than 2 feet of
    wieners per day! Since none of the climbers died from starvation, I think it is safe to assume that
    2 feet of food per day should be more than adequate for us non-climbing folks.

    So I started a little experiment with the agreeable obese friends in my neighborhood. I gave them
    ordinary 6 inch rulers with instructions to measure the length of everything substantial that passed
    into their mouths. The only things exempted were water and sugar-free drinks. What I learned was
    that my obese friends were consuming between 8 to 12 feet of food per day! At the time, I was about
    10 lbs. over my ideal body weight so I decided to find out how much I was eating per day... 3 feet.
    I cut back to less than 2 feet and was at my proper weight in one month.

    My friends have responded similarly except they have taken longer because of having to lose more
    weight. Admittedly, some of my obese friends were especially slow to respond. They also happen to be
    the ones with an unfortunate propensity for accidentally loosing their 6 inch rulers and taking
    weeks to buy replacements.

    So here's the deal: measure all the food you eat, using it's longest dimension, and keep the
    total length to less than two feet per day. That's all there is. No scales, no counting calories
    or carbohydrates. Heck, if you loose your ruler, you can even use the first joint of your thumb
    to measure.

    I am making this diet available as a public service and without compensation.

    If you have any questions, just see Dr. Chung's helpful FAQ and substitute "Two Feet" for "Two
    Pounds" everywhere... what could be simpler?

    "If I have seen farther than others, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of midgets"

    --
    Weeding the Lord's vinyards since 2003

    Steve

  4. Thanks, Andrew. I owe you a lunch.

    I would invite Nagler, again, but he stuck his nose up when I mentioned Blimpie's.

    lol

    Mu

    =============================================

    MD/PhD said:
    Eclipsed M_unlight said:

    I was going to call you privately on this but I getting this subject out on Usenet for archive is
    a better thing to do.

    I have a close friend, an attorney, age 58, 315 lbs at 6"1. On 19 Dec (Fri), he flunked a stress
    treadmill , out of breath and prior to elevation. The details are sketchy.

    On 26 Dec, after a catherization revealed multiple blockages, he had a quad bypass at Crawford
    Long. He returned home last Saturday, called me, no pain, feels better, bed resting, etc. He is
    Type 2 diabetic

    Two questions.

    If he does not improve his health parameters (morbid obesity, alcohol intake, sat fat laden diet,
    no exercise, stressed work), what is his statistical probabilities for length of life, an MI,
    additional blockages and such.

    He may have a 20-30% chance of having a heart attack each year. About a 5-10 percent change of
    dying each year.

    Quoted message said:


    If he does improve all of the above, what then?

    His chance of heart attack should decrease to a more acceptable 0.5 to 1.0
    %

    Quoted message said:


    And in the interim, between now and obtaining a healthy lifestyle, will his risks decrease,
    increase or stay the same?

    Increase.

    Quoted message said:


    I understand these are very general parameters but what would you be telling him, with this
    information and no examination, if he sought your counsel?

    Ask his doctor about a daily aspirin, lipid lowering medication, ACE-inhibitor therapy, and the 2PD
    approach:

    heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap031111.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

  5. On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:32:48 -0500, Eclipsed M_unlight wrote
    (in message <[email hidden]>😉:

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks, Andrew. I owe you a lunch.

    I would invite Nagler, again, but he stuck his nose up when I mentioned Blimpie's.

    Poor Mu... he thinks it was Blimpie's that caused Dr. Nagler's reaction.

    --
    Weeding the Lord's vinyards since 2003

    Steve

  6. Eclipsed M_unlight said:

    Thanks, Andrew. I owe you a lunch.

    I would invite Nagler, again, but he stuck his nose up when I mentioned Blimpie's.

    Blimpies isn't kosher.

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

  7. MD/PhD said:
    Quoted message said:

    I would invite Nagler, again, but he stuck his nose up when I mentioned Blimpie's.

    Blimpies isn't kosher.

    Ooooh, good point. I suppose the Cafe Ritz is.

    allthesky.comlunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

  8. On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:29:45 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
    (in message <[email hidden]>😉:

    Quoted message said:
    Eclipsed M_unlight said:

    Thanks, Andrew. I owe you a lunch.

    I would invite Nagler, again, but he stuck his nose up when I mentioned Blimpie's.

    Blimpies isn't kosher.

    Oh, I get it (snicker, snicker). Good one! (Wink, wink). You sure know how to put "those" people in
    their place.

    --
    Steve

    Weeding the Lord's Vinyards Since 2003

  9. Steve said:

    On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:32:48 -0500, Eclipsed M_unlight wrote (in message
    <[email hidden]>😉:

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks, Andrew. I owe you a lunch.

    I would invite Nagler, again, but he stuck his nose up when I mentioned Blimpie's.

    Poor Mu... he thinks it was Blimpie's that caused Dr. Nagler's reaction.

    Whaddya mean. I had a vision of Blimpie himself, and he told me it was. So there. I got it straight
    from the fatties mouth... well, not exactly, there was this vision thing... anyway it is the
    absolute truth. So there.

    antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap043142.html

    Lift your leg, Eat like a dog, Walk on all fours, Live long and prosper. (Oops, wrong show)

  10. Steve said:

    On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:32:48 -0500, Eclipsed M_unlight wrote (in message
    <[email hidden]>😉:

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks, Andrew. I owe you a lunch.

    I would invite Nagler, again, but he stuck his nose up when I mentioned Blimpie's.

    Poor Mu... he thinks it was Blimpie's that caused Dr. Nagler's reaction.

    He/they have delusions on a regular basis. Nothing new. That replaces reality for fanatics. Matt

  11. Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:
    Eclipsed M_unlight said:

    Thanks, Andrew. I owe you a lunch.

    I would invite Nagler, again, but he stuck his nose up when I mentioned Blimpie's.

    Blimpies isn't kosher.

    First homophobia and now unctuous anti-semitism. How proud his Chinese mother must be of him.

    Pastorio

  12. MD/PhD said:
    Eclipsed M_unlight said:

    Thanks, Andrew. I owe you a lunch.

    I would invite Nagler, again, but he stuck his nose up when I mentioned Blimpie's.

    Blimpies isn't kosher.

    Hey, good one. I was trying to figure a way to get in some kind of insult to Nagler, but it was too
    much for me. That one's good because it gets in a bit of bigotry too. Good work.

    antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap043142.html

    Lift your leg, Eat like a dog, Walk on all fours, Live long and prosper. (Oops, wrong show)

  13. Steve said:

    On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:29:45 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote (in message
    <[email hidden]>😉:

    Quoted message said:
    Eclipsed M_unlight said:

    Thanks, Andrew. I owe you a lunch.

    I would invite Nagler, again, but he stuck his nose up when I mentioned Blimpie's.

    Blimpies isn't kosher.

    Oh, I get it (snicker, snicker). Good one! (Wink, wink). You sure know how to put "those" people
    in their place.

    Maybe they'll want to avoid a BBQ place or a fried chicken joint, too. A different kind of "those"
    hang out there. How utterly Christian their love for others is.

    Pastorio

  14. Totality of Lunar Mu_n Eclipsed said:
    MD/PhD said:
    Quoted message said:

    I would invite Nagler, again, but he stuck his nose up when I mentioned Blimpie's.

    Blimpies isn't kosher.

    Ooooh, good point. I suppose the Cafe Ritz is.

    Good reply, there, Mu. With our one two punch we can get in twice as many insults from each post.
    You were able to work in the bigotry angle too. We should keep up this bigotry line. It will help as
    we work toward the coming Crusades.

    HUMBLY! HUMBLY!!! HUMBLY!!!!!! HUMBLY, damn it (just want to make sure you know I'm Humble)

    Prophet BenWa (I see into people's hearts)

    The Blessed BenWa Chung, PhD/HD/PRD/AD/ADD/PMS (and a few more too) Board-Certified [censored] (Amateur
    Detective #4927467) heartsomethingorother.comheartsomethingorother.com (note the com part)

  15. Dear Mu,

    As you know, I have repented of my previous advocating of a certain diet, now known to be unhealthy,
    and advise he find a good local Dr. at a local teaching hospital. As I advised you, pleas don't
    direct anyone to myself again, as I don't want to add harm to any other people who need real help
    from a real source who is likely to have advice which is best made to provide real results. My
    religious views now prevent me, after having experienced my recent revelation, from advancing this
    line in future.

    Sincerely,

    Dr. Andrew T. Cheung MD/PhD", retired

    Quoted message said:

    I was going to call you privately on this but I getting this subject out on Usenet for archive is a
    better thing to do.

    I have a close friend, an attorney, age 58, 315 lbs at 6"1. On 19 Dec (Fri), he flunked a stress
    treadmill , out of breath and prior to elevation. The details are sketchy.

    On 26 Dec, after a catherization revealed multiple blockages, he had a quad bypass at Crawford
    Long. He returned home last Saturday, called me, no pain, feels better, bed resting, etc. He is
    Type 2 diabetic

    Two questions.

    If he does not improve his health parameters (morbid obesity, alcohol intake, sat fat laden diet,
    no exercise, stressed work), what is his statistical probabilities for length of life, an MI,
    additional blockages and such.

    If he does improve all of the above, what then?

    And in the interim, between now and obtaining a healthy lifestyle, will his risks decrease,
    increase or stay the same?

    I understand these are very general parameters but what would you be telling him, with this
    information and no examination, if he sought your counsel?

    antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap031111.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

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