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  1. Out of curiosity I had to find out why all this cardio stuff was showing up on alt.tinnitus. Yow !
    This place is as trippy as ast is/was/will be ? Anyway, since I'm here, I take Cardizem, any
    thoughts on that med ?

    Sonny

    "I am done with great things and big plans, great institutions and big success. I am for those tiny,
    invisible loving human forces that work from individual to individual, creeping through the crannies
    of the world like so many rootlets, or like the capillary oozing of water, which, if given time,
    will rend the hardest monuments of pride." - William James

  2. (Sonny) said:

    Out of curiosity I had to find out why all this cardio stuff was showing up on alt.tinnitus. Yow !
    This place is as trippy as ast is/was/will be ? Anyway, since I'm here, I take Cardizem, any
    thoughts on that med ?

    Sonny

    "I am done with great things and big plans, great institutions and big success. I am for those
    tiny, invisible loving human forces that work from individual to individual, creeping through the
    crannies of the world like so many rootlets, or like the capillary oozing of water, which, if given
    time, will rend the hardest monuments of pride." - William James

    You can do a search on Cardiazem and find out all you want to know about this drug. I'm on Verapamil
    and I know when I asked about Cardiazem the consultant said a definite No. I believe they are both
    Calcium Channel blockers so there must be differences in their action/side effects. Diana

  3. (Sonny) said:

    Out of curiosity I had to find out why all this cardio stuff was showing up on alt.tinnitus. Yow !
    This place is as trippy as ast is/was/will be ? Anyway, since I'm here, I take Cardizem, any
    thoughts on that med ?

    Sonny

    Calcium channel blockers like Cardizem (diltiazem) and Isoptin (verapamil) are not my first choice
    for treatment of hypertension unless there is a cardiac rhythm disturbance like atrial fibrillation
    associated with the hypertension.

    There are better choices, and often much less expensive that address the main concern associated
    with hypertension, namely atherosclerosis and the treatment of it.

    --
    Patrick Blanchard, M.D. Board Certified in Family Medicine

    SonoScore Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

  4. Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:30:53 GMT in article
    <[email hidden]> "Patrick Blanchard M.D."

    [email protected] said:
    (Sonny) said:

    Out of curiosity I had to find out why all this cardio stuff was showing up on alt.tinnitus. Yow
    ! This place is as trippy as ast is/was/will be ? Anyway, since I'm here, I take Cardizem, any
    thoughts on that med ?

    Sonny

    Calcium channel blockers like Cardizem (diltiazem) and Isoptin (verapamil) are not my first choice
    for treatment of hypertension unless there is a cardiac rhythm disturbance like atrial fibrillation
    associated with the hypertension.

    There are better choices, and often much less expensive that address the main concern associated
    with hypertension, namely atherosclerosis and the treatment of it.

    That's also my observation. However, many doctors still against recommendations prescribe new,
    considerably more expensive antihypertensive medications, perhaps because physicians may have been
    influenced by drug company advertising. There is new study about this topic:

    Ubel PA, Jepson C, Asch DA. Misperceptions About beta-Blockers and Diuretics. J Gen Intern Med. 2003
    Dec;18(12):977-83. PMID: 14687255 [PubMed - in process] <URL:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/que-
    ry.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=14687255&dopt=Abstract>

    "... CONCLUSIONS: Despite numerous clinical trials showing no difference in the effectiveness or
    side-effect profiles of these 4 classes of drugs, most physicians believed that diuretics were
    less effective and beta-blockers were less tolerated than other medications. Moreover, their
    prescription practices were associated with their provision of free samples provided by
    pharmaceutical representatives, even after adjusting for other demographic characteristics.
    Efforts to increase physicians' prescribing of beta-blockers and diuretics may need to be
    directed at overcoming misunderstandings about the effectiveness and tolerability of these
    medicines.

    Comments in

    Doctors More Likely to Prescribe Pricey New Blood Pressure Drugs Despite Standards
    <URL:http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/502414/>

    "Even though research has shown inexpensive treatments for high blood pressure are just as
    effective as pricey new drugs, doctors perceive the new drugs as more effective and think they
    carry fewer side effects, according to a new study by a University of Michigan Health System
    physician.

    [...]

    “These new, more expensive medications are being more heavily promoted by the drug companies,
    and one way or another that information influences how people perceive the drug’s
    effectiveness,” says study author Peter A. Ubel, M.D., associate professor of internal medicine
    at the U-M Medical School and director of the U-M Health System’s Program for Improving Health
    Care Decisions.

    [...]

    “The industry influence is pervasive,” says Ubel, who is also a research investigator at the
    Ann Arbor Veterans Administration Health Center. “I think a lot of physicians do rely on sales
    representatives to tell them about the latest medications out there. How else do you find this
    out? It is very hard to keep up on the medical literature. Doctors feel it’s an educational
    visit, but the sales reps hand out samples.”"

    This matter doesn't seem to have changed much in five years. In September 1998 The Lancet
    published the study

    Malcolm Maclure, Colin Dormuth, Terryn Naumann, James McCormack, Robert Rangno, Carl Whiteside,
    James M Wright. Influences of educational interventions and adverse news about calcium-channel
    blockers on first-line prescribing of antihypertensive drugs to elderly people in British Columbia.
    The Lancet Volume 352, Number 9132, 19 September 1998, pp. 943-948.
    <URL:http://www.thelancet.com/journal/vol352/iss9132/full/llan.352.9132.original_research.6005.1>

    from which one can conclude that new widely reported scientific observations only very slowly affect
    the doctor's prescribing behavior. The above study has been commented in the article

    Prescribing habits often slow to change
    dailynews.yahoo.comstory.html
    thriveonline.com740.html

    The links are now obsolete, but I happen to have saved the following citation:

    "Many Canadian doctors continued to prescribe certain drugs for patients with high blood
    pressure even after an avalanche of media coverage on the possible health risks of these drugs,
    and against recommendations published in professional guidelines, according to a new study.

    The study findings ``are consistent with other research showing that physicians are cautious
    about changing their prescribing practices,'' the research team writes this week in The Lancet.

    Dr. James Wright of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver and colleagues looked at
    over 4,400 physicians in British Columbia who prescribed a diuretic, a beta-blocker, an angiotensin-
    converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitor drug or a calcium channel blocker for the first time for a
    total of 36,507 hypertensive patients between 1993 and 1996.

    The researchers report that about 22% of these patients were prescribed calcium channel blockers
    as first-line therapy in 1994 although professional guidelines suggested that beta blockers or
    diuretics were more appropriate as a first choice.

    And prescribing practices did not change in early 1995 after a study reported that patients
    taking some calcium channel blockers might be at higher risk of heart attack than those taking
    other drugs.

    But the team did find that small shifts in prescribing in July 1995 and in early 1996, after the
    release of more reports on the risks of these drugs in some patients.

    ``Our main finding was that, despite many news reports, a warning letter and two issues of a
    regular newsletter, physicians continued to prescribe... (calcium channel blockers) as first-
    line therapy to at least 33% of patients, contrary to guidelines,'' the authors write.

    ``We conclude that, for new evidence to have an immediate impact on prescribing, innovative
    forms of continuing medical education and new ways of warning physicians must be developed
    and evaluated,'' they conclude. ``In the meantime, prescribing can be expected to improve
    only gradually in response to multiple messages delivered by multiple methods, including the
    lay media.''

    SOURCE: The Lancet 1998;352:943-948."

    More about this topic in the abstract of the study

    Manolio TA, Cutler JA, Furberg CD, Psaty BM, Whelton PK, Applegate WB. Trends in pharmacologic
    management of hypertension in the United States. Arch Intern Med. 1995 Apr 24;155(8):829-37.
    Review. <URL:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=771779-
    1&dopt=Abstract>

    A citation:

    "CONCLUSIONS: Use of calcium antagonists and angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors in
    hypertension has increased dramatically in the past 10 years. Without convincing evidence of the
    advantages of these agents, it is difficult to explain the continued decline in the use of less
    expensive agents, such as diuretics and beta-blockers, which are the only antihypertensive agents
    proved to reduce stroke and coronary disease in hypertensive patients."

    Comments in the articles

    Study: Calcium Antagonists and ACE Inhibitors Overused in Hypertension
    pharminfo.comccbace ovr.html (link no longer worksi)

    "Manolio et al. explored possible reasons for the shift to newer types of drugs. These included
    improved efficacy in preventing cardiovascular morbidity and mortality, rising incidence of
    concomitant illnesses necessitating the use of newer drugs, improved blood- pressure-lowering
    effects, improved side effect profiles, lower cost, and increased marketing pressure and
    attractiveness of newer drugs.

    The investigation showed that changes in drug use could not be explained by any of the first
    five reasons."

    [...]

    "The investigators concluded, "Although there may be legitimate reasons, such as coexisting
    angina or congestive failure, to choose newer agents in selected patients, this does not appear
    to justify their use as routine therapy in uncomplicated hypertension. No data are currently
    available to demonstrate the superiority of calcium antagonists and ACE inhibitors in reducing
    cardiovascular morbidity and mortality from hypertension, but there is ample evidence of their
    greater cost. While health costs are under sharp attack, it seems irrational to divert
    substantial resources by substituting unproven and more expensive remedies for tried and tested
    drugs. Since the vast majority of hypertensive patients can be treated with relatively
    inexpensive, proved agents, the trend toward increased use of costly, unproved agents in routine
    management of hypertension requires careful reconsideration." "

    and

    Doctors Not Prescribing Recommended Drugs to Treat Hypertension
    heartinfo.comhbpdrg12497.htm (link no longer works)

    "There are enormous cost implications of prescribing calcium channel blockers instead of
    diuretics, according to the study. Since calcium channel blockers cost close to 60 times the
    price of diuretics, prescribing diuretics could save hundreds of millions of dollars. Possible
    reasons for doctors' prescribing habits mentioned by the authors are that not enough doctors
    were informed of the treatment guidelines, and that physicians may have been influenced by drug
    company advertising."

    --
    Matti Narkia

  5. On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:30:53 GMT, "Patrick Blanchard M.D."

    [email protected] said:
    (Sonny) said:

    Out of curiosity I had to find out why all this cardio stuff was showing up on alt.tinnitus. Yow
    ! This place is as trippy as ast is/was/will be ? Anyway, since I'm here, I take Cardizem, any
    thoughts on that med ?

    Sonny

    Calcium channel blockers like Cardizem (diltiazem) and Isoptin (verapamil) are not my first choice
    for treatment of hypertension unless there is a cardiac rhythm disturbance like atrial fibrillation
    associated with the hypertension.

    There are better choices, and often much less expensive that address the main concern associated
    with hypertension, namely atherosclerosis and the treatment of it.

    --
    Patrick Blanchard, M.D. Board Certified in Family Medicine

    To clarify. I take Verapamil because I still suffer paroxysmal AF and flutter. I have a new MV and
    now a dual chamber PM. rgds Diana

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