running problems

"the dork knight" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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I have just started out training in all 3 disciplines. I have been running on and off for
about a year.

Heres the problem: no matter what I do I cannot seem to have enough air to go quicker. I find
myself breathing shallow and in my chest through my mouth. I know I should breathe from my lower
body but all I seem to do is push my stomach out instead of actually breathing to make it move.

Any suggestions I really want to do my first tri in April (sprint) and follow that with an olympic
in June.

Thanks to all.

Brian

A few questions, then some advice:

1) Are you breathing out underwater, in above, or do you try to exhale and inhale while your head is
out of the water?

2) How many strokes do you take between breaths?

3) Describe what you mean by "go quicker."

Don't try to get faster just by turning your arms over quicker. Try to get faster by grabbing more
water an going further/faster with each stroke. Also, your breathing should be a long slow
underwater exhale followed by an inhale about every 3rd stroke (alternating sides). Use pull sets
and count your strokes/length to increase your stroke efficiency. If at all possible, hook up with a
masters group in your area and get some coaching on your technique.

Enjoy! There's stil plenty of time between now and April.

On 1/2/04 8:35 AM, in article, "Tom Henderson" <[email hidden]>

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"the dork knight" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:Tt6Jb.911229$9l5.898550@pd7tw2no:

Quoted message said:

I have just started out training in all 3 disciplines. I have been running on and off for about
a year.

Heres the problem: no matter what I do I cannot seem to have enough air to go quicker. I find
myself breathing shallow and in my chest through my mouth. I know I should breathe from my lower
body but all I seem to do is push my stomach out instead of actually breathing to make it move.

Any suggestions I really want to do my first tri in April (sprint) and follow that with an
olympic in June.

Thanks to all.

Brian

A few questions, then some advice:

1) Are you breathing out underwater, in above, or do you try to exhale and inhale while your head
is out of the water?

2) How many strokes do you take between breaths?

3) Describe what you mean by "go quicker."

Don't try to get faster just by turning your arms over quicker. Try to get faster by grabbing more
water an going further/faster with each stroke. Also, your breathing should be a long slow
underwater exhale followed by an inhale about every 3rd stroke (alternating sides). Use pull sets
and count your strokes/length to increase your stroke efficiency. If at all possible, hook up with
a masters group in your area and get some coaching on your technique.

Enjoy! There's stil plenty of time between now and April.

Uh, Tom. I think he was asking about running.

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Tom Henderson said:

"the dork knight" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:Tt6Jb.911229$9l5.898550@pd7tw2no:

Quoted message said:

I have just started out training in all 3 disciplines. I have been running on and off for about
a year.

Heres the problem: no matter what I do I cannot seem to have enough air to go quicker. I find
myself breathing shallow and in my chest through my mouth. I know I should breathe from my lower
body but all I seem to do is push my stomach out instead of actually breathing to make it move.

Any suggestions I really want to do my first tri in April (sprint) and follow that with an
olympic in June.

Thanks to all.

Brian

A few questions, then some advice:

1) Are you breathing out underwater, in above, or do you try to exhale and inhale while your head
is out of the water?

2) How many strokes do you take between breaths?

3) Describe what you mean by "go quicker."

Don't try to get faster just by turning your arms over quicker. Try to get faster by grabbing
more water an going further/faster with each stroke. Also, your breathing should be a long slow
underwater exhale followed by an inhale about every 3rd stroke (alternating sides). Use pull sets
and count your strokes/length to increase your stroke efficiency. If at all possible, hook up
with a masters group in your area and get some coaching on your technique.

Enjoy! There's stil plenty of time between now and April.

Uh, Tom. I think he was asking about running.

So you're saying that's not good advice for running?

DOH! Perhaps next time I'll read the subject line. Looks like I even missed it in the body of the
message. My only explanation/excuse is that I'm turning 40 next month.

Tom Henderson said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A few questions, then some advice:

1) Are you breathing out underwater, in above, or do you try to exhale and inhale while your
head is out of the water?

2) How many strokes do you take between breaths?

3) Describe what you mean by "go quicker."

Don't try to get faster just by turning your arms over quicker. Try to get faster by grabbing
more water an going further/faster with each stroke. Also, your breathing should be a long slow
underwater exhale followed by an inhale about every 3rd stroke (alternating sides). Use pull
sets and count your strokes/length to increase your stroke efficiency. If at all possible, hook
up with a masters group in your area and get some coaching on your technique.

Enjoy! There's stil plenty of time between now and April.

Uh, Tom. I think he was asking about running.

So you're saying that's not good advice for running?

Hey, if it works for you, who am I to judge?

Quoted message said:

I have just started out training in all 3 disciplines. I have been running on and off for
about a year.

Heres the problem: no matter what I do I cannot seem to have enough air to go quicker. I find
myself breathing shallow and in my chest through my mouth. I know I should breathe from my lower
body but all I seem to do is push my stomach out instead of actually breathing to make it move.

Any suggestions I really want to do my first tri in April (sprint) and follow that with an olympic
in June.

Ask any yoga instructor to demonstrate diaphragmatic breathing. Then incorporate it into the
three sports.

"the dork knight" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I have just started out training in all 3 disciplines. I have been running on and off for
about a year.

Heres the problem: no matter what I do I cannot seem to have enough air to go quicker. I find
myself breathing shallow and in my chest through my mouth. I know I should breathe from my lower
body but all I seem to do is push my stomach out instead of actually breathing to make it move.

Any suggestions I really want to do my first tri in April (sprint) and follow that with an olympic
in June.

Thanks to all.

Brian

Do not understand the problem fully, or, have not experienced anything similar.

However, to train in diaphragmatic breathing (from the belly as well as the chest), the hatha yoga
instructors can show you a number of drills they use to try and achieve enlightenment.

One such drill: lie supine in Savasana (corpse pose), relax. Place hands over the navel. Inhale to
make the hands rise as far as possible. Exhale to make them descend as far as possible. Make an
extra effort to exhale more than usual, then the chest reacts by taking a fuller breath on the next
cycle. Then gradually incorporate this method into your running, cycling and swimming, trying to
avoid the tensions that might interfere.

You can use diaphragmatic pumping while running, cycling or swimming, to give you an edge, and maybe
just to relax when not exceeding the LT/AT.

the dork knight said:

I have just started out training in all 3 disciplines. I have been running on and off for
about a year.

Heres the problem: no matter what I do I cannot seem to have enough air to go quicker. I find
myself breathing shallow and in my chest through my mouth.

I'm assuming that this happens only as you try and speed up, as your normal resting breathing is not
this way, correct? If this is the case it sound like your simply trying to go to fast to soon.

In my experinace this is a common problem for new runners. Running looks so easy when others do it,
it just seems that you should be able to go fast right off.

Try running REALLY REALLY slowly. Even do the run walk thing if you have to. Try running at a
pace were you can hold a conversation with another runner, imaginary if need be. depending on
your fitness before starting to run, your age, natural abilities etc it is quite possible this
pace is not much faster than walking. I know several people that when the first started this pace
was walking.

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I know I should breathe from my lower body but all I seem to do is
push my stomach out instead of actually breathing to make it move.

Breathing from the stomache, diaphragm breathing, is a good thing, however difficult to
master if your not used to it. I would start off just doing whatever comes naturally and
move into diaphragm breathing later. Concentrate more on your running form, pace, and how
you feel first.

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Any suggestions I really want to do my first tri in April (sprint) and follow that with an
olympic in June.

Only you can answer whether or not you'll be ready to do the the races or not. If your a beginner
alot of improvements can be made in 4-6 months. If you goal is just doing the race that shouldn't be
a problem, you can always walk, coast, or float.

~Matt

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Thanks to all.

Brian

the dork knight said:

I have just started out training in all 3 disciplines. I have been running on and off for
about a year.

Heres the problem: no matter what I do I cannot seem to have enough air to go quicker. I find
myself breathing shallow and in my chest through my mouth. I know I should breathe from my lower
body but all I seem to do is push my stomach out instead of actually breathing to make it move.

Any suggestions I really want to do my first tri in April (sprint) and follow that with an olympic
in June.

Thanks to all.

Brian

Running, (like damn near every other form of racing or training) is all about pacing. It sounds to
me like you're running at a faster pace than you are physiologically capable of maintaining. At this
point breathing becomes uncontrollably fast and you start to slow down because your body can't
supply oxygen to the muscles. SLOW DOWN FROM THE START! Start with a slow pace and increase it every
few minutes until get near, but not up to the point of no return. Measure your training course and
buy a watch. Vary your training pace from day to day to see what you can maintain and for how long.
It takes years to fully develop as a runner but not very long to work yourself up to be able to
finish a 10K. It just may not be fast. Finally, ignore all the garbage you'll read about belly
breathing, running form, etc. You can worry about that after you can run a comfortable 10 miles
without stopping.

JJ

thanks everyone for your advice.

Tom, I still appreciate the advice even if it was for swimming.

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Quoted message said:

I have just started out training in all 3 disciplines. I have been

running

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on and off for about a year.

Heres the problem: no matter what I do I cannot seem to have enough air

to

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go quicker. I find myself breathing shallow and in my chest through my mouth. I know I should
breathe from my lower body but all I seem to do

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

push my stomach out instead of actually breathing to make it move.

Any suggestions I really want to do my first tri in April (sprint) and follow that with an
olympic in June.

Ask any yoga instructor to demonstrate diaphragmatic breathing. Then incorporate it into the
three sports.