derailleur lubrucation?

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Originally posted by G.Daniels
winter is here. and the season's grease is turning to a less than fresh lube. dirt, cold thickening
with evap of the carrier over the year, built in obsolesence: in this instance a new year old
deore.The grease looks terrific-so green and bright- but yagotta cleanit sometime right? Some of the
deore's factory greasing is deep inside the unit. almost inaccessible?

Question: how to effectively grease the deore deray as part of the cold season relube, new bearings,
check it out process?

How does the pro do it? Or better does the pro do it on his bike? I am considering loosening a
synthetic bike grease with solvent and dunking the cleaned unit then evaporating in a solar dryer
following with a wipe down of non-essential surfaces.

After wiping off dirt, lubricate the following points with a single drop of oil:
1. Edge of each pulley-wheel dust cap
2. Both ends of all four parallelogram pivots
3. Mounting-bolt threads (best done with derailer removed)
4. Adjusting-barrel threads
5. Pinch mechanism threads. (cable attachment bolt)
If there is significant dirt on the derailer, take time to remove it from the frame and clean the areas around the hanger and mounting areas.

Wipe off all excess lubricants with a clean cloth.

The spring is the only area where Shimano applies the green grease I think you are referring to. Leave that area alone.
If all this makes sense, go ahead.
Most pros let their mechanic care for these details.

Excess lubricant attracts dirt.

thanks dave!! any idea what lube shimano uses on the pivots and all other points of wear? there's
nothing in there that's unseen or trick?? as in holds dirt and resists lubrication application then
fails apart outsida Kamloops?

g.daniels said:

winter is here. and the season's grease is turning to a less than fresh lube. dirt, cold
thickening with evap of the carrier over the year, built in obsolesence: in this instance a new
year old deore.The grease looks terrific-so green and bright- but yagotta cleanit sometime right?
Some of the deore's factory greasing is deep inside the unit. almost inaccessible?

Question: how to effectively grease the deore deray as part of the cold season relube, new
bearings, check it out process?

How does the pro do it? Or better does the pro do it on his bike? I am considering loosening a
synthetic bike grease with solvent and dunking the cleaned unit then evaporating in a solar dryer
following with a wipe down of non-essential surfaces.

Hose it off, de-clag the jockey wheels and spray it with WD-40 or GT85. At least that's what we do
in countries where we have wet nasty winters with salt on the roads.

when the time came to clean the deore deray there was no time to remove and dunk. Used a toothbrush
with paint thinner on the pivots. Tilted the bike up 90 degrees againts a wall then upside down
saddle off. Wet brush. gently and accurately pour the thinner dribble. the spring pivot could use a
testube bottle brush. that back pivot area takes some eyeballing and contortion dribbling to flush.
the unit is remarkable compared to the Sutours topline from the '80's. the pivots are tight in
there. amazing. $20. used CC Finish line on it after drying then CHO on the body(too remove excess
CCFL) where I laid strips of electrical tape 90 degrees to the body on the body then out to the
wheel side to cover the deray's inboard side. Then a strip horizontally across the body where the
name (cover ur nipples) gets covered covering both joints. finished withn one more inbound strip
near the back joint to form a cup up against the hanger. less dirt. less maintainence. less wear.
leslesles!! now for the ultrasonic bath and evaporator oven!!

[email hidden] (g.daniels) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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when the time came to clean the deore deray

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used CC Finish line on it after drying then CHO on the body(too remove excess CCFL) where I laid
strips of electrical tape 90 degrees to the body on the body ... less dirt. less maintainence.
less wear. leslesles!! now for the ultrasonic bath and evaporator oven!!

An internal gear hub such as a Sachs or Sturmey Archer eliminates many of the issues that g. daniels
notes. I quickly tired of frozen deraillers, high maintenance, and expensive component replacement
resulting from riding a derailler equipped bike in the winter. I now have 30,000 miles on a 5 speed
Sturmey Archer hub after 12 years of daily commuting. Maintenance has consisted of a little oil to
the hub once every couple weeks, a new inexpensive chain each spring, and a couple cables.

Bill Putnam

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used CC Finish line on it after drying then CHO on the body(too remove excess CCFL) where I laid
strips of electrical tape 90 degrees to the body on the body then out to the wheel side to cover
the deray's inboard side. Then a strip horizontally across the body where the name (cover ur
nipples) gets covered covering both joints. finished withn

As usual, you bring incoherent babble to the NG 😉

What's CC Finish? CHO? CCFL? Use only one prepositional phrase at a time. Finish your sentences
after about 15 words, then start a new one. It'll help us all because I'm sure you have some
excellent stuff to say.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

Be careful...this one was nearly coherent! You wouldn't want that now, would you?

(g.daniels) said:

when the time came to clean the deore deray there was no time to remove and dunk. Used a toothbrush
with paint thinner on the pivots.

I'd be so afraid to get paint thinner near the painted frame. Why not use WD-40 to remove the crud?

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that back pivot area takes some eyeballing and contortion dribbling to flush.

What's "contortion dribbling"?

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used CC Finish line on it after drying then CHO on the body(too remove excess CCFL) where I laid
strips of electrical tape 90 degrees to the body on the body then out to the wheel side to cover
the deray's inboard side. Then a strip horizontally across the body where the name (cover ur
nipples) gets covered covering both joints. finished withn one more inbound strip near the back
joint to form a cup up against the hanger.

Ah, there's some incoherency. That's nearly what I expect from you. However, the words and sentences
are constructed of coherent components; you ought to stop using real words again.

And,

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(cover ur nipples)

Believe me, if I ever see you come around, I'm covering my nipples. You've said some pretty scary
stuff concerning nipples.

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less dirt. less maintainence. less wear. leslesles!!

Dirt? I figured you live in a fastidiously clean mental health institution.

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now for the ultrasonic bath and evaporator oven!!

That's fine, but when do I get my supersonic bike?
--
Rick Onanian

Phil said:

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used CC Finish line on it after drying then CHO on the body(too remove excess CCFL) where I laid
strips of electrical tape 90 degrees to the body on the body then out to the wheel side to cover
the deray's inboard side. Then a strip horizontally across the body where the name (cover ur
nipples) gets covered covering both joints. finished withn

As usual, you bring incoherent babble to the NG 😉

What's CC Finish? CHO? CCFL? Use only one prepositional phrase at a time.

'CC Finish' and 'CCFL' are probably both 'Cross Country Finish Line', a proprietary chain lubricant.
'CHO' I can't help you with.

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Phil said:

Quoted message said:

used CC Finish line on it after drying then CHO on the body(too remove excess CCFL) where I
laid strips of electrical tape 90 degrees to the body on the body then out to the wheel side
to cover the deray's inboard side. Then a strip horizontally across the body where the name
(cover ur nipples) gets covered covering both joints. finished withn

As usual, you bring incoherent babble to the NG 😉

What's CC Finish? CHO? CCFL? Use only one prepositional phrase at a time.

'CC Finish' and 'CCFL' are probably both 'Cross Country Finish Line', a proprietary chain
lubricant. 'CHO' I can't help you with.

Dear Simon,

Possibly CHO is a deep cleansing cream for those troubled by oily parts? Or a moisturizer for
derailleurs afflicted by dry skin? Perhaps even a cologne?

The electrical tape appears to have been intended to remove unsightly hairs growing from the drive
train's exposed parts.

Carl Fogel

the Oracle of Gene Daniels declared:

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used CC Finish line on it after drying then CHO on the

body(too remove

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excess CCFL) where I laid strips of electrical tape 90 degrees to the body on the body then out
to the wheel side to cover the deray's inboard side. Then a strip horizontally across the body
where the name (cover ur nipples) gets covered covering both joints. finished withn

(?)>>As usual, you bring incoherent babble to the NG 😉

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Phil said:

What's CC Finish? CHO? CCFL? Use only one prepositional phrase at a time.

Simon Brooke said:

'CC Finish' and 'CCFL' are probably both 'Cross Country Finish Line', a proprietary chain
lubricant. 'CHO' I can't help you with.

Gee, you'd think Gene's missives were pronouncements from Alan Greenspan, the way everyone tries to
parse snippets of meaning from them. Mr Daniels and Mr Greenspan each have uniquely opaque writing
styles. In both cases to a purpose that isn't at all clear to me. Maybe they choose their styles
_because_ I'm not supposed to understand them.

--
Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:15:59 -0600, A Muzi <[email hidden]>

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Mr Daniels and Mr Greenspan each have uniquely opaque writing styles. In both cases to a purpose
that isn't at all clear to me. Maybe they choose their styles _because_ I'm not supposed to
understand them.

One has cautioned about "irrational exuberance" regarding stock market investments. The other has
provided a strategy for dealing with irrationally exuberant applications of lubricants. One's
writing is frequently about conservation of capital; the other's writing is noted for its marked
conservation of capital letters.
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A Muzi said:

the Oracle of Gene Daniels declared:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>used CC Finish line on it after drying then CHO on the

body(too remove

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>excess CCFL) where I laid strips of electrical tape 90 degrees to the body on the body then out
>to the wheel side to cover the deray's inboard side. Then a strip horizontally across the body
>where the name (cover ur nipples) gets covered covering both joints. finished withn

(?)>>As usual, you bring incoherent babble to the NG 😉

Quoted message said:

Phil said:

What's CC Finish? CHO? CCFL? Use only one prepositional phrase at a time.

Simon Brooke said:

'CC Finish' and 'CCFL' are probably both 'Cross Country Finish Line', a proprietary chain
lubricant. 'CHO' I can't help you with.

Gee, you'd think Gene's missives were pronouncements from Alan Greenspan, the way everyone tries
to parse snippets of meaning from them. Mr Daniels and Mr Greenspan each have uniquely opaque
writing styles. In both cases to a purpose that isn't at all clear to me. Maybe they choose their
styles _because_ I'm not supposed to understand them.

You have hit on something, Andy. Without comment on Mr. Greenspan, I can say that Gene Daniels'
postings continue to entertain, amaze and baffle me, and others here too. I figure that since I am
at least partly a rationalist, there has got to be a few flakes of pepper amongst all that flyshit.

On the other hand, I slow down to gawk at car wrecks too.

--
Ted Bennett Portland OR

John Dacey said:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:15:59 -0600, A Muzi <[email hidden]>

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Mr Daniels and Mr Greenspan each have

One has cautioned about "irrational exuberance" regarding stock market investments. The other has
provided a strategy for dealing with irrationally exuberant applications of lubricants. One's
writing is frequently about conservation of capital; the other's writing is noted for its marked
conservation of capital letters.

Gentleman, we have a conspiracy theory.

Now, for our musical portion tonight: And the race is on and here comes "puppet" in the backstretch
"same guy" is moving to the inside, conspiracy's holding back trying not to fall individuals out of
the running true words scratched for another's sake The race is on and it looks like "he's fake",
and the winner loses all

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John Dacey

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Rick Onanian

ohyeah-work the deray body back and forth when brushing and dribbling and tooth brushing. those back
lower pivots are easilee ignored, no? gotta benmd in there and use the imagination! how long since
yawl bent over and looked at the backyard thru ur legs? baby how long? gonna clean and lube the
pulley wheels? try boat trailer bearing grease from pennzoil or lubramatic available at walmort. a
sign of winter here in datropics is the sight of a cabin cruiser trailer burning rubber from a
broken bearing and locked trailer wheel towed by an EvilOne obliviuos or seeking a selfhealing cure
curtesy Bearings International from the onward ho!! butbutbubtu that's immersion in salt water not
cruising thru a mild fresh water downpour. I began using the new deore deray by topping the factopry
pivot lube with fresh wax mit teflon from FL then toothbrushing the layer of dirt of the wax and
replacing the wax topcoat seems to have lubed to spec as the unit shows nota sign of wear after
6thou miles. duedue duedue!

(g.daniels) said:

ohyeah-work the deray body back and forth when brushing and dribbling and tooth brushing. those
back lower pivots are easilee ignored, no? gotta benmd in there and use the imagination! how long
since yawl bent over and looked at the backyard thru ur legs? baby how long?

That was the dirtiest stuff you've ever written. Work the body back and forth when dribbling...back
lower easily ignored...bend in there and use imagination...bent over through your legs...oh yeah
baby! Work it!

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gonna clean and lube the pulley wheels? try boat trailer bearing grease from pennzoil or lubramatic
available at walmort.

Coherence! Arrrghh...it burns!

It's because of you that I've stopped thinking of Wal-Mart as "Walrus Mart" and instead now think of
it as "Wool mort".

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a sign of winter here in datropics is the sight of a cabin cruiser trailer burning rubber from a
broken bearing and locked trailer wheel towed by an EvilOne obliviuos or seeking a selfhealing cure
curtesy Bearings International from the onward ho!!

Ah, there's the incoherence that we know and love.

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butbutbubtu that's immersion in salt water not cruising thru a mild fresh water downpour. I began
using the new deore deray by topping the factopry pivot lube with fresh wax mit teflon from FL then
toothbrushing the layer of dirt of the wax and replacing the wax topcoat seems to have lubed to
spec as the unit shows nota sign of wear after 6thou miles. duedue duedue!

I'm disappointed. There was way too much stuff in there that I actually understood.
--
Rick Onanian

one of the goals is reaching the thought's end and arriving at the to be universally applied
conclusion rather than fall short failing to communicate what's actually happening at the intended
level of thought but NOT continueing onward to cognitive areas that are in most relatively unused,
unuseable, innaccesible or non-existannt on an evolutionary,oar dietary level of being. My point not
driven home was that jiggling creates lube flow in the remote vastnesses and soon to be wastelands
of the deray pivots iffen the jiggle flow doesn't carry the accumulated dung out into the. CHO is
off course alchohol. The CHO wiped twice onto the deray body-clean rag each time-shud get the
surface clean ennuf to accept the electape. The tape idea on both deray's works so so so
gooooooooooooooood(as does the datakoll 'chain guard $2'😉 that riders not using these advanced
thought techniques denote to neanderthallian cognition. ahem. whatsa NG?

I'm a bit sick, and reading this has made me sicker.

(g.daniels) said:

one of the goals is reaching the thought's end and arriving at the to be universally applied
conclusion rather than fall short failing to communicate what's actually happening at the intended
level of thought

Errr....well...you certainly aren't falling short of failing to communicate.

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but NOT continueing onward to cognitive areas that are in most relatively unused, unuseable,
innaccesible or non-existannt on an evolutionary,oar dietary level of being.

I believe your cognitive areas are unused, unusable, inaccessible, or non-existant, at least on any
level of being detectable by me.

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My point not driven home was that jiggling creates lube flow in the remote vastnesses and soon to
be wastelands of the deray pivots iffen the jiggle flow doesn't carry the accumulated dung out
into the.

How would jiggle flow carry a folder full of g.daniels messages out into anywhere?

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CHO is off course alchohol. The CHO wiped twice onto the deray

Well, then send the alcohol back on course!

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body-clean rag each time-shud get the surface clean ennuf to accept the electape. The tape idea on
both deray's works so so so gooooooooooooooood(as does the datakoll 'chain guard $2'😉 that riders
not using these advanced thought techniques denote to neanderthallian cognition. ahem.

As opposed to posters with your message composing technique, who appear to have pre-neanderthallian
cognition?

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whatsa NG?

Newsfroup.
--
Rick Onanian

deray lube the short cut lube leaving the deray on the hanger gets the job done. more or less.
but the bushing on the deray/hanger bolt keeps quietly nagging everytime a glance goes its way.
grease the bushing once a year? is that enough? I was reminded that holding arag under the unit
and protecting the tire is essential. and the trick is to cultivate the local air compressor
owner and wheel the wet deray over there and blow the paint thinner out then lube. unless your in
Michigan, right?

Then a strip horizontally across the body where the name

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(cover ur nipples) gets covered covering both joints. finished withn one more inbound strip near
the back joint to form a cup up against the hanger. less dirt. less maintainence. less wear.
leslesles!! now for the ultrasonic bath and evaporator oven!!

This guy is a frightening genius. Sounds a little like the Prez.