Identify this bike?

bentbiker said:

dog gone it, I want one! batcha.dtdns.netDSCN3514.jpgOpen ↗

It looks to be one of the Flevobike variants. These are reportedly quite different to ride, since
the frame has a pivot in front of the seat mount, and the BB moves with the front wheel. Some find
them almost impossible to ride, while others easily ride them no-handed. As always, YMMV.

< ligfiets.netflevofanOpen ↗ > < ai.nobike.htmOpen ↗ >

Tom Sherman – Close to 41½ N, 90½ W

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bentbiker said:

dog gone it, I want one! batcha.dtdns.netDSCN3514.jpgOpen ↗

It looks to be one of the Flevobike variants. These are reportedly quite different to ride, since
the frame has a pivot in front of the seat mount, and the BB moves with the front wheel. Some find
them almost impossible to ride, while others easily ride them no-handed. As always, YMMV.

< ligfiets.netflevofanOpen ↗ > < ai.nobike.htmOpen ↗ >

Tom Sherman =3F Close to 41=3F N, 90=3F W

As usual, Tom is on Target. Here is a better picture:
batcha.dtdns.netDSCN3566.jpgOpen ↗ Perhaps Ken Kobayoshi can guide us
through the Website that appears to be in Japanese.
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- Bellaire, TX USA -

It must have one helluva strong front wheel fork,I would be afraid of it
collapsing with a rider of my weight.
Ben fox
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Cletus D. Lee said:

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bentbiker said:

dog gone it, I want one! batcha.dtdns.netDSCN3514.jpgOpen ↗

It looks to be one of the Flevobike variants. These are reportedly quite different to ride, since
the frame has a pivot in front of the seat mount, and the BB moves with the front wheel. Some find
them almost impossible to ride, while others easily ride them no-handed. As always, YMMV.

< ligfiets.netflevofanOpen ↗ > < ai.nobike.htmOpen ↗ >

Tom Sherman =3F Close to 41=3F N, 90=3F W

As usual, Tom is on Target. Here is a better picture:
batcha.dtdns.netDSCN3566.jpgOpen ↗ Perhaps Ken Kobayoshi can guide us
through the Website that appears to be in Japanese.

The bike may not be a Flevo per say but possibly a homebuilt or other copy using the Flevo concept
and some Flevo parts.

Cletus's newsreader is doing weird things to the extended ISO characters in my signature line.

Tom Sherman – Close to 41½ N, 90½ W

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It must have one helluva strong front wheel fork,I would be afraid of it collapsing with a rider
of my weight.

Flevo's do have one helluva strong fork. Saw a Flevobike racer up close and its certainly not
underengineered. What you should be worried about is the steering. ;-) Although the guy with the
Racer also had a 20/20 which he said was more docile. There are plans for the Racer around. Maybe
also for the 20/20 that the bike in question looks like.

hpv-klub.dkflevoracer billeder.aspOpen ↗

Mikael

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Apparently it doesn't like extended ascii

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Cletus's newsreader is doing weird things to the extended ISO characters in my signature line.

I think Windows 1252 charset is evil 🙂
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Extended ASCII looks fine here both as received text and inside this mail window. Must be happening
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Cletus's newsreader is doing weird things to the extended ISO characters in my signature line.

I think Windows 1252 charset is evil 🙂
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I didn't have this problem until I switched from Netscape 4.76 to Netscape 7.1. The older version
was better in every way except for compatibility problems with certain websites that caused to crash
far too often or to display things improperly.

OT Rant: Has anyone else noticed the generally inverse relationship between the amount of money
spent on a website and its usefulness? As examples, both SRAM and Shimano have terrible web sites if
one is trying to find information about their products, while the Harris Cyclery web site is much
more user friendly.

Tom Sherman – Close to 41½ N, 90½ W

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OT Rant: Has anyone else noticed the generally inverse relationship between the amount of money
spent on a website and its usefulness? As examples, both SRAM and Shimano have terrible web sites
if one is trying to find information about their products, while the Harris Cyclery web site is
much more user friendly.

Tom Sherman ? Close to 41½ N, 90½ W

A web site that is not user friendly can go to hell as far as I am concerned. It all springs from
the inability to think logically about anything. They all ought to be hiring retired librarians to
organize their web sites according to proper subjects. Instead they go off in all directions helter-
skelter and generally make a mess of it. Unfortunately for all the computer nerds in the world,
you only gain an understanding of how subjects are organized by spending many years pursuing a
liberal arts education. There are no shortcuts to this long and tedious process of acquiring an
organized mind.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

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OT Rant: Has anyone else noticed the generally inverse relationship between the amount of money
spent on a website and its usefulness? As examples, both SRAM and Shimano have terrible web sites
if one is trying to find information about their products, while the Harris Cyclery web site is
much more user friendly.

Tom Sherman ? Close to 41½ N, 90½ W

A web site that is not user friendly can go to hell as far as I am concerned. It all springs from
the inability to think logically about anything. They all ought to be hiring retired librarians to
organize their web sites according to proper subjects. Instead they go off in all directions helter-
skelter and generally make a mess of it. Unfortunately for all the computer nerds in the world,
you only gain an understanding of how subjects are organized by spending many years pursuing a
liberal arts education. There are no shortcuts to this long and tedious process of acquiring an
organized mind.

While we are off-topic, it appears somewhere between my sending a message and Mr. Dolan's response
being posted, a hyphen is being converted to a question mark.

I believe that Mr. Dolan is only addressing one part of the issue. Most of the bad web sites belong
to large corporations who likely have budgeted hundreds of thousands of dollars a year for this
activity. Whether it is the people who are responsible for the website wanting something flashy and
complicated to justify their salaries and position, or if they have been sold this concept by web
site developers looking for larger fees is uncertain. What they seem to forget is that they are
trying to sell a product that people are interested in obtaining more information about. A flashy
web site will not increase sales, and may have the opposite effect if it is slow and/or hard to
navigate. Practice of the Keep It Simple Stupid principal is sorely needed.

It is instructive to note that a couple years ago a recumbent dealer announced his new (and
expensive) web site that used "Flash" and was otherwise more complicated than it needed to be. The
response to the web site on a.r.b.r. was almost universally negative. That web site has been
replaced by something simpler.

Tom Sherman – Close to 41½ N, 90½ W

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Edward Dolan said:

Tom Sherman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]-
berlin.de>...

Quoted message said:

OT Rant: Has anyone else noticed the generally inverse relationship between the amount of money
spent on a website and its usefulness? As examples, both SRAM and Shimano have terrible web
sites if one is trying to find information about their products, while the Harris Cyclery web
site is much more user friendly.

Tom Sherman ? Close to 41½ N, 90½ W

A web site that is not user friendly can go to hell as far as I am concerned. It all springs
from the inability to think logically about anything. They all ought to be hiring retired
librarians to organize their web sites according to proper subjects. Instead they go off in all
directions helter-skelter and generally make a mess of it. Unfortunately for all the computer
nerds in the world, you only gain an understanding of how subjects are organized by spending
many years pursuing a liberal arts education. There are no shortcuts to this long and tedious
process of acquiring an organized mind.

Quoted message said:

While we are off-topic, it appears somewhere between my sending a message and Mr. Dolan's response
being posted, a hyphen is being converted to a question mark.

No, I am just agreeing with you for a change. I know that comes as a shock to your system, but when
you are right, you are right!

Quoted message said:

I believe that Mr. Dolan is only addressing one part of the issue. Most of the bad web sites
belong to large corporations who likely have budgeted hundreds of thousands of dollars a year for
this activity. Whether it is the people who are responsible for the website wanting something
flashy and complicated to justify their salaries and position, or if they have been sold this
concept by web site developers looking for larger fees is uncertain. What they seem to forget is
that they are trying to sell a product that people are interested in obtaining more information
about. A flashy web site will not increase sales, and may have the opposite effect if it is slow
and/or hard to navigate. Practice of the Keep It Simple Stupid principal is sorely needed.

It is instructive to note that a couple years ago a recumbent dealer announced his new (and
expensive) web site that used "Flash" and was otherwise more complicated than it needed to be. The
response to the web site on a.r.b.r. was almost universally negative. That web site has been
replaced by something simpler.

Tom Sherman ? Close to 41½ N, 90½ W

Egads, more agreement! I have a friend who comes over to the house with all these motorcycle and
automobile web sites and we spend hours trying to navigate them. What a waste of time! And you get
so little for so much effort. Yes, KISS and double KISS and triple KISS!

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Edward Dolan said:

Tom Sherman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]-
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>OT Rant: Has anyone else noticed the generally inverse relationship between the amount of
>money spent on a website and its usefulness? As examples, both SRAM and Shimano have terrible
>web sites if one is trying to find information about their products, while the Harris Cyclery
>web site is much more user friendly.
>
>Tom Sherman ? Close to 41½ N, 90½ W

A web site that is not user friendly can go to hell as far as I am concerned. It all springs
from the inability to think logically about anything. They all ought to be hiring retired
librarians to organize their web sites according to proper subjects. Instead they go off in
all directions helter-skelter and generally make a mess of it. Unfortunately for all the
computer nerds in the world, you only gain an understanding of how subjects are organized by
spending many years pursuing a liberal arts education. There are no shortcuts to this long and
tedious process of acquiring an organized mind.

Quoted message said:

While we are off-topic, it appears somewhere between my sending a message and Mr. Dolan's
response being posted, a hyphen is being converted to a question mark.

No, I am just agreeing with you for a change. I know that comes as a shock to your system, but
when you are right, you are right!

Quoted message said:

I believe that Mr. Dolan is only addressing one part of the issue. Most of the bad web sites
belong to large corporations who likely have budgeted hundreds of thousands of dollars a year
for this activity. Whether it is the people who are responsible for the website wanting
something flashy and complicated to justify their salaries and position, or if they have been
sold this concept by web site developers looking for larger fees is uncertain. What they seem to
forget is that they are trying to sell a product that people are interested in obtaining more
information about. A flashy web site will not increase sales, and may have the opposite effect
if it is slow and/or hard to navigate. Practice of the Keep It Simple Stupid principal is sorely
needed.

It is instructive to note that a couple years ago a recumbent dealer announced his new (and
expensive) web site that used "Flash" and was otherwise more complicated than it needed to be.
The response to the web site on a.r.b.r. was almost universally negative. That web site has been
replaced by something simpler.

Tom Sherman ? Close to 41½ N, 90½ W

Egads, more agreement! I have a friend who comes over to the house with all these motorcycle and
automobile web sites and we spend hours trying to navigate them. What a waste of time! And you get
so little for so much effort. Yes, KISS and double KISS and triple KISS!

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

There are many useful applications for Flash, but too often people go overboard. "Flash" and
"informative" are often oxymorons; Flash navigation is unorthodox and there are issues with
organizing text and printing pages. On the other hand, you can make stuff look really cool
with Flash.

Usually Flash is better received by the more Internet saavy crowd. The 25 year old who reads Wired,
plays video games and spends hours every day online will adapt better than the 50 year old who reads
Readers Digest and only uses the Internet casually.

One undeniable truth is that web design is still such a young science. Take a look at the Wayback
Machine: archive.orgweb.phpOpen ↗. Look at all the makeovers Yahoo has undergone and then
think: that was only a few years ago! That site looks terrible by today's standards!

Hashim El Amin said:

There are many useful applications for Flash, but too often people go overboard. "Flash" and
"informative" are often oxymorons; Flash navigation is unorthodox and there are issues with
organizing text and printing pages. On the other hand, you can make stuff look really cool with
Flash....

You can also really annoy someone who is looking for information and does not want his/her time
wasted with "cute" effects that slow the site down. I do not know if it uses flash, but the Diadora
web site was so annoying that I gave up on it when I was searching for wide cycling shoes. If they
had a shoe model I would have been interested in, they would have lost the sale to a competitor due
to their aggravating website.

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Tom Sherman – Close to 41½ N, 90½ W

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Usually Flash is better received by the more Internet saavy crowd. The 25 year old who reads
Wired, plays video games and spends hours every day online will adapt better than the 50 year old
who reads Readers Digest and only uses the Internet casually.

I see that Hashim has got me figured out to a T. It took me days before I could even learn how to
turn the damn computer on and then turn it off, let alone how to navigate to anything. I didn't even
know how to work the blooming keyboard. I am still not up to speed after a couple of years because I
am just a really old fashioned kind of guy. But not to worry, I am getting ready to depart this
world one of these years rather soon and so I will not have to learn all this new [censored] after all.
Ah, it is a wonder how death solves all problems in life!

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

I see that Hashim has got me figured out to a T. It took me days before I could even learn how to
turn the damn computer on and then turn it off, let alone how to navigate to anything. I didn't
even know how to work the blooming keyboard. I am still not up to speed after a couple of years
because I am just a really old fashioned kind of guy. But not to worry, I am getting ready to
depart this world one of these years rather soon and so I will not have to learn all this new [censored]
after all. Ah, it is a wonder how death solves all problems in life!

Now we know why Mr. Dolan retired - almost all the career track library jobs with decent pay level
are for people with significant computer systems expertise.

Tom Sherman – Close to 41½ N, 90½ W

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Now we know why Mr. Dolan retired - almost all the career track library jobs with decent pay level
are for people with significant computer systems expertise.

Tom Sherman ? Close to 41½ N, 90½ W

I retired years before computers ever came into libraries. Even so, most librarians are not all
that knowledgeable about computers. But if you ever want to know anything about card catalogs, I
am your man.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Now we know why Mr. Dolan retired - almost all the career track library jobs with decent pay level
are for people with significant computer systems expertise.

Tom Sherman – Close to 41½ N, 90½ W

All too true. My son entered grad school at the U of Illinois back in the mid 90's to get his MLS
(master of library science) By the time he got the degree it was called Master of Information
Services. Now he's on the faculty at Cornell, as an archivist in the Labor Library. BTW, to Bryan
and others who live in the Finger Lakes area: Every time I visit my son in Ithaca, I wish I had my
V2 with me since it looks like biking heaven. Beautiful views of lakes and vales; long grades with
lots of good roads. So, is this really as good a biking area as it looks to me? (thinking of where
to retire to, I am)

rich

Edward Dolan said:

I retired years before computers ever came into libraries. Even so, most librarians are not all
that knowledgeable about computers. But if you ever want to know anything about card catalogs, I
am your man.

Most university libraries abandoned their card catalogs about 15 years ago. I would be surprised to
see a card catalog anywhere but a small town library anymore.

Tom Sherman - Close to 41½ N, 90½ W