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  1. Just how normal is normal? 18 November 2003 16:00 GMT by Helen Dell

    Studying the variation between so-called normal lab animals could help explain how seemingly minor
    differences between people can produce major differences in how they respond to their environment,
    suggests systems biologist Joe Nadeau. "There is an enormous amount of genetic variation among
    humans," said Nadeau, chairman of the Department of Genetics at Case Western Reserve University in
    Cleveland, Ohio, speaking at the autumn meeting of the British Genetics Society in London.

    "We focus on disease genes and think about the genetic heterogeneity in disease, and we treat
    everybody else as 'normal'," he said, "as though there is one homogenous mass of people who
    are healthy."

    But things are undoubtedly more complex than that; for example, individuals might have a disease
    gene, but also carry a protective gene, and so they appear healthy. "We aren't a collection of
    30,000 genes that act independently of each other; they work together in elaborate ways that we
    don't understand very well," he said.

    Traditionally, researchers have studied gene mutations with severe effects to try to work out the
    networks underlying a disease - for instance by knocking the gene out in a transgenic mouse. "That's
    like trying to figure how your computer works by ripping out one part at a time and asking how does
    this computer work when this part is missing," said Nadeau.

    His approach is to study more subtle changes, by using 'normal' genetic variation. "We can use the
    genetic variation between strains of laboratory mice to get at the biology and genetics of complex
    systems," he said.

    To show the utility of the approach, he and his team are studying the well-characterized folate and
    homocysteine metabolism system. Folate deficiency and elevated homocysteine are interdependent risk
    factors for neural tube defects in embryo development, vascular disease, cancers such as colon
    cancer, and neurodegenerative disorders.

    The basic biochemistry of the system is already well known, making it ideal to study as a proof-of-
    concept, says Nadeau. "At least, there's some starting ground to nucleate the bigger study," he
    said. "But even though biochemists said everything is known, everything is understood, they still
    couldn't explain why anomalies in this pathway are associated or perhaps even causally related to
    common diseases."

    Nadeau's team began by looking at folate homeostasis in two different strains of mice - A/J and B6.
    Both are standard inbred laboratory strains; they are healthy and considered essentially normal.

    The mice were fed a standard diet for seven days, then a folate-deficient diet for seven days, and
    then returned to the standard diet. The researchers measured circulating folate and homocysteine
    levels in these test mice and compared them with folate and homocystein levels in mice fed a
    standard diet throughout

    Removing folate from the diet of the A/J mice initially decreased internal folate levels, while
    homocysteine levels remained unchanged. Gradually, homocysteine levels also dropped and, once the
    folate was added back to the diet, both levels gradually returned to roughly the starting point.

    In the B6 mice, however, removing folate in the diet initially caused a decrease in circulating
    homocysteine levels, while folate levels remained about the same. Circulating folate gradually
    dropped and, with the return of folate to the diet, both homocysteine and folate begin to increase.
    But neither folate nor homocysteine levels reached the starting point in the experiment period.

    Gene expression patterns vary between the strains too. When folate is removed from the diet, the A/J
    mice show a few genes that are different at time zero, which then return to base level. When the
    folate is added back, a lot of genes expression patterns change, and then they return to the base
    line. In the B6 mice, however, there seem to be accumulating changes during the study, with the
    expression patterns of many more genes being affected than in the A/J mice.

    The two strains seem to be following different pathways to achieve folate homeostasis, concludes
    Nadeau. They start off in different directions, and only the A/J mice manage to reset their levels
    within the experiment period. For the B6 mice, there are two possible outcomes: B6 mice either
    follow a longer and more roundabout way to get back to the start, or they never get back.

    "If it does get back, the longer more circuitous route might make them susceptible to secondary
    perturbations that might not bother [A/J mice]," he said. "Or if it doesn't get back, then maybe
    it's sitting in a place where there is a problem, maybe those mice will deteriorate and get sick."

    Nadeau plans to extend the time period of his experiments to distinguish between the possibilities,
    and also to see how the mouse strains differ in their responses to repeated perturbations.

    The results could have interesting implications for how genetic variations interact with
    environmental insults to cause disease in some people but not others, says Margit Burmeister,
    associate research professor of psychiatry at the University of Michigan, who studies human and
    mouse behavioral genetics.

    "It's a nice example of gene-environment interaction, where you won't see a difference between the
    basic folate levels or basic homocysteine levels, but the difference shows up when you perturb it,"
    she said. "I think this is exactly where complex genetics is heading."

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  2. Robert Karl Stonjek said:

    Just how normal is normal? 18 November 2003 16:00 GMT by Helen Dell

    Studying the variation between so-called normal lab animals could help explain how seemingly minor
    differences between people can produce major differences in how they respond to their environment,
    suggests systems biologist Joe Nadeau. "There is an enormous amount of genetic variation among
    humans," said Nadeau, chairman of the Department of Genetics at Case Western Reserve University in
    Cleveland, Ohio, speaking at the autumn meeting of the British Genetics Society in London.

    "We focus on disease genes and think about the genetic heterogeneity in disease, and we treat
    everybody else as 'normal'," he said, "as though there is one homogenous mass of people who are
    healthy."


    Next they'll be suggesting that this genetic variation might lead to differences in survival.
    Indeed (although this sounds far-fetched), it might be one reason why there are a lot of species in
    the world.

    Bob

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    Robert Karl Stonjek said:

    Just how normal is normal? 18 November 2003 16:00 GMT by Helen Dell

    Studying the variation between so-called normal lab animals could help explain how seemingly
    minor differences between people can produce major differences in how they respond to their
    environment, suggests systems biologist Joe Nadeau. "There is an enormous amount of genetic
    variation among humans," said Nadeau, chairman of the Department of Genetics at Case Western
    Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio, speaking at the autumn meeting of the British Genetics
    Society in London.

    "We focus on disease genes and think about the genetic heterogeneity in disease, and we treat
    everybody else as 'normal'," he said, "as though there is one homogenous mass of people who are
    healthy."


    Next they'll be suggesting that this genetic variation might lead to differences in survival.
    Indeed (although this sounds far-fetched), it might be one reason why there are a lot of species
    in the world.

    Bob

    --
    Bob O'Hara

    RKS: That raises an interesting question on the consequences of many species verses only a few.

    If we look at the broad picture, energy from the sun and, to a lesser degree, from the centre of the
    planet itself, is utilised. That's life!

    But if there was only one species of life on a uniform planet (wet mud ball), say a kind of plant,
    then there can be no cycles. Whatever the plant does in the process of utilising heat or light must
    be undone by some other mechanism, say an animal or a different kind of plant. Otherwise the plant
    will eventually cause the environment to become toxic and unlivable (for that plant).

    With the extra life form we now have a cycle with two living entities - the original plant and the
    other living thing. Surely this cycle is alive - a living thing with two nodes. We can identify this
    thing as living because there is a non-living state against which it can be contrasted: it can die.

    Diversity is required for feedback cycles to occur, and these feedback cycles are essential to life.
    I don't see how one can separate the cycle from the animal - both must be alive as both can die.

    Kind Regards, Robert Karl Stonjek.

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