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  1. November 10, 2003

    Does Race Exist?

    If races are defined as genetically discrete groups, no. But researchers can use some genetic
    information to group individuals into clusters with medical relevance

    By Michael J. Bamshad and Steve E. Olson

    Look around on the streets of any major city, and you will see a sampling of the outward variety of
    humanity: skin tones ranging from milk-white to dark brown; hair textures running the gamut from
    fine and stick-straight to thick and wiry. People often use physical characteristics such as these--
    along with area of geographic origin and shared culture--to group themselves and others into
    "races." But how valid is the concept of race from a biological standpoint? Do physical features
    reliably say anything informative about a person's genetic makeup beyond indicating that the
    individual has genes for blue eyes or curly hair?

    The problem is hard in part because the implicit definition of what makes a person a member of a
    particular race differs from region to region across the globe. Someone classified as "black" in the
    U.S., for instance, might be considered "white" in Brazil and "colored" (a category distinguished
    from both "black" and "white"😉 in South Africa.

    Yet common definitions of race do sometimes work well to divide groups according to genetically
    determined propensities for certain diseases. Sickle cell disease is usually found among people of
    largely African or Mediterranean descent, for instance, whereas cystic fibrosis is far more common
    among those of European ancestry. In addition, although the results have been controversial, a
    handful of studies have suggested that African-Americans are more likely to respond poorly to some
    drugs for cardiac disease than are members of other groups.

    Over the past few years, scientists have collected data about the genetic constitution of
    populations around the world in an effort to probe the link between ancestry and patterns of
    disease. These data are now providing answers to several highly emotional and contentious questions:
    Can genetic information be used to distinguish human groups having a common heritage and to assign
    individuals to particular ones? Do such groups correspond well to predefined descriptions now widely
    used to specify race? And, more practically, does dividing people by familiar racial definitions or
    by genetic similarities say anything useful about how members of those groups experience disease or
    respond to drug treatment?

    In general, we would answer the first question yes, the second no, and offer a qualified yes to the
    third. Our answers rest on several generalizations about race and genetics. Some groups do differ
    genetically from others, but how groups are divided depends on which genes are examined;
    simplistically put, you might fit into one group based on your skin-color genes but another based on
    a different characteristic. Many studies have demonstrated that roughly 90 percent of human genetic
    variation occurs within a population living on a given continent, whereas about 10 percent of the
    variation distinguishes continental populations. In other words, individuals from different
    populations are, on average, just slightly more different from one another than are individuals from
    the same population. Human populations are very similar, but they often can be distinguished.

    Classifying Humans As a first step to identifying links between social definitions of race and
    genetic heritage, scientists need a way to divide groups reliably according to their ancestry. Over
    the past 100,000 years or so, anatomically modern humans have migrated from Africa to other parts of
    the world, and members of our species have increased dramatically in number. This spread has left a
    distinct signature in our DNA.

    To determine the degree of relatedness among groups, geneticists rely on tiny variations, or
    polymorphisms, in the DNA--specifically in the sequence of base pairs, the building blocks of DNA.
    Most of these polymorphisms do not occur within genes, the stretches of DNA that encode the
    information for making proteins (the molecules that constitute much of our bodies and carry out the
    chemical reactions of life). Accordingly, these common variations are neutral, in that they do not
    directly affect a particular trait. Some polymorphisms do occur in genes, however; these can
    contribute to individual variation in traits and to genetic diseases.

    As scientists have sequenced the human genome (the full set of nuclear DNA), they have also
    identified millions of polymorphisms. The distribution of these polymorphisms across populations
    reflects the history of those populations and the effects of natural selection. To distinguish among
    groups, the ideal genetic polymorphism would be one that is present in all the members of one group
    and absent in the members of all other groups. But the major human groups have separated from one
    another too recently and have mixed too much for such differences to exist.

    Read the rest at Scientific American tinyurl.comugnk

    Kind Regards, Robert Karl Stonjek.

  2. This is racist drivel Mr. Stonjek. It is well known certain diseases predominate among particular
    ethnic groups. Sickle Cell Anemia with African-Americans, Tay Sachs with Eastern European Jews, etc.
    However, as the article points out there is no ethnic population whose every member possesses a
    polymorphism which is lacking in every other ethnic population. Race is purely a social-cultural
    invention. It has no place in the complex science of genetics.

    Point in case is Bamshad and Company's using the frequency of polymorphisms to place their subjects
    into racial categories. The polymorphism they selected was the Alu which typically has no effect on
    nearby genes. According to Bamshad if two people have the same Alu sequence at the same spot in
    their genome, they must be descended from a common ancestor who gave them that specific segment of
    DNA. Rather than using an identifiable polymorphism such as eye color, hair color, etc. Bamshad
    relies on the Alu sequence insertion to place his subjects into racial categories.

    I read the article and there is no reference to the actual science which led Bamshad and fellows to
    their conclusions. It was merely a brief summary of their findings without any of the science of how
    they reached their conclusions.

    The reason using race applied to genetics is so dangerous is because it is a social construct. The
    result is a politically driven agenda which uses scientists (either unknowingly or intentionally) to
    influence healthcare policy and medicine to the disadvantage of other ethnic groups. That is why the
    utmost wariness should accompany any effort to exclusively link a particular disease or condition to
    an entire ethnic group.

    Michael Ragland

    As scientists have sequenced the human genome (the full set of nuclear DNA), they have also
    identified millions of polymorphisms. The distribution of these polymorphisms across populations
    reflects the history of those populations and the effects of natural selection.

    To distinguish among groups, the ideal genetic polymorphism would be one that is present in all the
    members of one group and absent in the members of all other groups. But the major human groups have
    separated from one another too recently and have mixed too much for such differences to exist.

    Polymorphisms that occur at different frequencies around the world can, however, be used to sort
    people roughly into groups. One useful class of polymorphisms consists of the Alus, short pieces of
    DNA that are similar in sequence to one another. Alus replicate occasionally, and the resulting copy
    splices itself at random into a new position on the original chromosome or on another chromosome,
    usually in a location that has no effect on the functioning of nearby genes. Each insertion is a
    unique event. Once an Alu sequence inserts itself, it can remain in place for eons, getting passed
    from one person to his or her descendants. Therefore, if two people have the same Alu sequence at
    the same spot in their genome, they must be descended from a common ancestor who gave them that
    specific segment of DNA.

    One of us (Bamshad), working with University of Utah scientists Lynn B. Jorde, Stephen Wooding and
    W. Scott Watkins and with Mark A. Batzer of Louisiana State University, examined 100 different Alu
    polymorphisms in 565 people born in sub-Saharan Africa, Asia and Europe. First we determined the
    presence or absence of the 100 Alus in each of the 565 people. Next we removed all the identifying
    labels (such as place of origin and ethnic group) from the data and sorted the people into groups
    using only their genetic information.

  3. Michael Ragland <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

    Quoted message said:

    This is racist drivel Mr. Stonjek. It is well known certain diseases predominate among particular
    ethnic groups. Sickle Cell Anemia with African-Americans, Tay Sachs with Eastern European Jews,
    etc. However, as the article points out there is no ethnic population whose every member possesses
    a polymorphism which is lacking in every other ethnic population. [...]

    Nor is such a thing needed - for any sensible notion of "race".
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  4. ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Michael Ragland" <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: sci.bio.evolution
    Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:43 AM
    Subject: Re: Article] Does Race Exist?

    Quoted message said:

    This is racist drivel Mr. Stonjek. It is well known certain diseases predominate among particular
    ethnic groups. Sickle Cell Anemia with African-Americans, Tay Sachs with Eastern European Jews,
    etc. However, as the article points out there is no ethnic population whose every member possesses
    a polymorphism which is lacking in every other ethnic population. Race is purely a social-cultural
    invention. It has no place in the complex science of genetics.


    RKS: Ok, go ahead, shoot the messenger!! 🙂

    I just relay the articles that are relevant to this group - I try not to filter them according to
    those I agree or disagree with. If I did that then I would be discriminating against those members
    who don't agree with my position on certain issues. I can fly my own flag in debates - I don't have
    to set the foundations with biased reporting.

    Note that I have relayed articles canvassing the possibility of genetic manipulation of future
    generations, on aggression etc, something which I have argued against but which you have argued for.

    I rest my case.

    On race, regional variations, as I have argued before, are far less than we perceive them to be
    because humans are hypersensitive to variations in their own species - far less sensitive to
    variations in, say, mice. So the difference between people hailing from diverse regions is far les
    than we perceive and this has shown up in the DNA.

    But from an evolutionary standpoint, it is handy to be able to identify regional variations
    genetically because such a genetic tool could be used to trace the migration of humans and establish
    where they came from and what the archetypal human's DNA might be like. Using this research for
    political ends is, as Michael points out, racist.

    Kind Regards, Robert Karl Stonjek.

  5. "Robert Karl Stonjek" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:


    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Ragland" <[email hidden]> Newsgroups:
    sci.bio.evolution Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:43 AM Subject: Re: Article] Does Race Exist?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This is racist drivel Mr. Stonjek. It is well known certain diseases predominate among particular
    ethnic groups. Sickle Cell Anemia with African-Americans, Tay Sachs with Eastern European Jews,
    etc. However, as the article points out there is no ethnic population whose every member
    possesses a polymorphism which is lacking in every other ethnic population. Race is purely a social-
    cultural invention. It has no place in the complex science of genetics.


    RKS:

    Quoted message said:

    On race, regional variations, as I have argued before, are far less than we perceive them to be
    because humans are hypersensitive to variations in their own species - far less sensitive to
    variations in, say, mice. So the difference between people hailing from diverse regions is far les
    than we perceive and this has shown up in the DNA.

    Quoted message said:

    But from an evolutionary standpoint, it is handy to be able to identify regional variations
    genetically because such a genetic tool could be used to trace the migration of humans and
    establish where they came from and what the archetypal human's DNA might be like. Using this
    research for political ends is, as Michael points out, racist.

    The state of California recently rejected a proposal to ban recording of race in medical records,
    even though they have previously adopted the elimination of race information on college
    applications. I think the Californians realized that there is some validity to racial variations in
    susceptibility to disease and response to medical treatments. As was made quite clear in the article
    cited in your original post, one of the problems with our current perception of race is not that
    different populations (or races) don't exist - the problem is that the criteria typically used to
    determine race (i.e. primarily skin color in the US) doesn't accurately correspond to real genetic
    subpopulations.

    Yours,

    Bill Morse

  6. Robert Karl Stonjek <[email hidden]> wrote or quoted:

    Quoted message said:

    On race, regional variations, as I have argued before, are far less than we perceive them to be
    because humans are hypersensitive to variations in their own species - far less sensitive to
    variations in, say, mice.

    Within your own race anyway - those asian types all look alike to me ;-)

    In some respects, it is the perceptions that matter to evolution. They are what is involved in
    forming attitudes - and consequently might impact factors such as status and reproductive success.
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