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  1. My cats know when someone is going to feed them. They know who is friend and who is foe.

    Dogs, ditto. One imagines dolphins and whales and monkeys (and other primates) are the same.

    My question: What is the lowest-level animal that can distinguish between friendly and hostile
    persons? For instance, a goldfush can't tell, and doesn't care, if the person feeding it is hoping
    the fish live their lives to the fullest, or is a sicko who wants to injure/maim/kill them. A cat or
    dog can, after a few encounters, recognize the difference.

    What is the most primiitive animal that can contemplate the difference between a friendly and a
    hostile human being?

    I've heard of squirrels being able to make these type of judgements. How about mice? Rats? Birds?
    Iguanas? Snakes? Etc.???

  2. in article [email hidden], Mark the Marker at
    [email hidden] wrote on 10/16/03 8:33 AM:

    Quoted message said:

    My cats know when someone is going to feed them. They know who is friend and who is foe.

    Dogs, ditto. One imagines dolphins and whales and monkeys (and other primates) are the same.

    My question: What is the lowest-level animal that can distinguish between friendly and hostile
    persons? For instance, a goldfush can't tell, and doesn't care, if the person feeding it is hoping
    the fish live their lives to the fullest, or is a sicko who wants to injure/maim/kill them. A cat
    or dog can, after a few encounters, recognize the difference.

    Your premise seems pretty flimsy to me. Do you really think that dogs and cats would learn to react
    negatively to someone who doesn't like them but who feeds and cares for them regularly? Similarly,
    do you really think that fish can't learn to distinguish between those (individuals or species) who
    pose a threat as compared with those that don't? I think there is plenty of evidence to the
    contrary on both points. Can you point me to evidence in support of your premise, or is it just a
    gut feeling of yours?

    My gut feeling is that there is no discrete boundary separating kinds of species that can learn to
    identify "friends from foes."

    Quoted message said:

    What is the most primiitive animal that can contemplate the difference between a friendly and a
    hostile human being?

    I am sure that the answer to this question, which is a bit different from the one you described
    above, is the same as the answer to the question "what is the most primiitive animal that can
    contemplate."

    Guy

  3. "Guy Hoelzer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    My gut feeling is that there is no discrete boundary separating kinds of species that can learn to
    identify "friends from foes."


    The first thing to do would be to test which animals can distinguish one human being from another.
    Dogs and cats obviously can. Goldfish I would guess probably can't. Some animals might be able to
    distinguish say, children from adults, but not two similar people from each other.

    Generally you would conduct the test by associating two humans with something of significance to the
    aminal, such as food.

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