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makemyday · 2003-12-29T02:40:22+00:00

Ho hum...happy holidayz: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#lifetime *********************************** exzerpt ********************** Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males. ****************************************************************** Could this be at all due to (gasp!), *GENETICS* ??

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makemyday
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29 December 2003, 02:40 UTC #1

Ho hum...happy holidayz:
ojp.usdoj.govcrimoff.htm *********************************** exzerpt
********************** Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black
males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males
and 5.9% of white males.
******************************************************************
Could this be at all due to (gasp!), *GENETICS* ??

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Alan Lichtenste
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29 December 2003, 02:40 UTC #2

Quoted message said:

Ho hum...happy holidayz:
ojp.usdoj.govcrimoff.htm *********************************** exzerpt
********************** Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black
males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males
and 5.9% of white males.
******************************************************************
Could this be at all due to (gasp!), *GENETICS* ??

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Jj
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29 December 2003, 02:40 UTC #3

about a fifth were sentenced for a drug crime (21%)
The above statistic makes me feel real good. All those thousands of people and billions of dollars
spent to incarcerate pot smokers. It really makes me feel safe knowing we lock up people smoking a
joint or growing a few plants for their personal consumption. Money well spent as we release rapists
and child molesters back on society because of lack of bed space. America should decriminalize soft
drugs and focus law enforcement efforts and money on violent criminals.
Quoted message said:
Ho hum...happy holidayz:
ojp.usdoj.govcrimoff.htm *********************************** exzerpt
********************** Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black
males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males
and 5.9% of white males.
******************************************************************
Could this be at all due to (gasp!), *GENETICS* ??

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Byron Canfield
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29 December 2003, 02:40 UTC #4

"Alan Lichtenstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
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Ho hum...happy holidayz:
ojp.usdoj.govcrimoff.htm *********************************** exzerpt
********************** Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black
males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic
males and 5.9% of white males.
******************************************************************
Could this be at all due to (gasp!), *GENETICS* ??

Only in makemyday's mind -- what there is left of it -- certainly no delaration of that as the cause
on the cited URL.
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"There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary numbers and those
who don't."
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Byron "Barn" Canfield

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Hwhit
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29 December 2003, 02:40 UTC #5

"JJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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about a fifth were sentenced for a drug crime (21%)
The above statistic makes me feel real good. All those thousands of people and billions of dollars
spent to incarcerate pot smokers.
pot smokers are incarcerated extremely rarely.
deal with facts...
the vast majority of drug offenders in prisons and/or jails got there for multiple offenses, hard
drug offenses etc.
pot possession, in small amounts is practically de facto decrim in most jurisdictions.
the people incarcerated for drugs are almost never there for simple mj possession.
that's reality.
It
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really makes me feel safe knowing we lock up people smoking a joint or growing a few plants for
their personal consumption. Money well spent as we release rapists and child molesters back on
society because of lack of bed space. America should decriminalize soft drugs
many jurisdictions HAVE decrim'd mj.
some have done de jure decrim, and many others de facto decrim.
whit
and focus law
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enforcement efforts and money on violent criminals.
Quoted message said:
Ho hum...happy holidayz:
ojp.usdoj.govcrimoff.htm *********************************** exzerpt
********************** Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black
males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic
males and 5.9% of white males.
******************************************************************
Could this be at all due to (gasp!), *GENETICS* ??

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Jj
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29 December 2003, 02:40 UTC #6

You may be correct in some States but Texas and other Southern States will take your car and send
your butt to jail for a joint in the ashtray. The norml (norml.orgnorml.org) site only shows 19
states that have decriminalized pot. Also, the Federal Government still has very severe pot laws on
the books. I am talking a nationwide total decriminalization of any amount less than 1 ounce for
personnel consumption. You are wrong, there are many people incarcerated in Southern and Federal
prisons for just small amounts of marijuana. People taking up bed space while they release child
molesters and rapists back on society.
hwhit said:
"JJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
about a fifth were sentenced for a drug crime (21%)
The above statistic makes me feel real good. All those thousands of people and billions of dollars
spent to incarcerate pot smokers.
pot smokers are incarcerated extremely rarely.
deal with facts...
the vast majority of drug offenders in prisons and/or jails got there for multiple offenses, hard
drug offenses etc.
pot possession, in small amounts is practically de facto decrim in most jurisdictions.
the people incarcerated for drugs are almost never there for simple mj possession.
that's reality.
It
Quoted message said:
really makes me feel safe knowing we lock up people smoking a joint or growing a few plants for
their personal consumption. Money well spent as we release rapists and child molesters back on
society because of lack of bed space. America should decriminalize soft drugs
many jurisdictions HAVE decrim'd mj.
some have done de jure decrim, and many others de facto decrim.
whit
and focus law
Quoted message said:
enforcement efforts and money on violent criminals.
Quoted message said:
Ho hum...happy holidayz:
ojp.usdoj.govcrimoff.htm *********************************** exzerpt
********************** Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black
males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males
and 5.9% of white males.
******************************************************************
Could this be at all due to (gasp!), *GENETICS* ??

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Shea F . Kenny
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29 December 2003, 04:22 UTC #7

JJ said:
The above statistic makes me feel real good. All those thousands of people and billions of dollars
spent to incarcerate pot smokers. It really makes me feel safe knowing we lock up people smoking a
joint or growing a few plants for their personal consumption. Money well spent as we release
rapists and child molesters back on society because of lack of bed space. America should
decriminalize soft drugs and focus law enforcement efforts and money on violent criminals.
I absolutely hate pot addicts. Pot addicts tend to repeat the same "scenario" or phrase,
over and over, and over, and over. Ad infinitum. Regular pot users, tend to repeat the same
theme, over and over, and over and over. Occasional pot users, are prone to seeking some
experience or another, over and over, over and over.
Thus, I think pot has some sort of weird control of the mental faculties, such that the mind
begins an obsession with repetition.
Ah....... The rat and the button, again..........
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And, ABOLISH the poll-itocracy!!!!! Get de-hannitized and de-dittoed!!!

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Thewhit
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29 December 2003, 16:17 UTC #8

JJ <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You may be correct in some States but Texas and other Southern States will take your car and send
your butt to jail for a joint in the ashtray.
they MAY send you to jail for the night until you get released the next morning.
that is a far cry from getting a jail SENTENCE.
The norml (norml.orgnorml.org) site only shows 19 states
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that have decriminalized pot.
and as *i* said, in many states where pot is criminal, it is essentially 'de facto" decrim'd. wa
state is a perfect example.
people caught with personal possession of marijuana are dealt with extremely leniently - almost
always a small fine.
so, it is essentially de facto decrim'd.
Also, the Federal Government still has
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very severe pot laws on the books.
correct. but they only enforce them against major growers or dealers, not those caught with personal
possession of mj
I am talking a nationwide total
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decriminalization of any amount less than 1 ounce for personnel consumption.
why? it's a states rights issue. if any state wants to criminalize MJ,. that should be up to the
state legislature and/or citizen initiatve.
imo, the feds shouldn't deal with MJ possession at all.
but that's my opinion, they certainly CAN.
NV recently tried a citizen initiative to legalize MJ. it failed.
You are wrong, there are many people incarcerated in
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Southern and Federal prisons for just small amounts of marijuana.
show me one that didn't have lots of priors and/;or aggravating circumstances.
for example, somebody who is on parole or probation AND then gets caught with a joint could get jail
time. that is not uncommon. that's called violating parole/probation and is a differnt offense than
mere possession
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People taking up bed space while they release child molesters and rapists back on society.
hey, i'm all for decrim. you are preaching to the choir. but spare me NORML's propaganda. the
reality is that personal possession of mj is dealt with very leniently in the USA. jail time is
almost never sentenced, and if it is, it's something like 2-3 days, commonly. fines are also usually
very light.
it's hardly as draconian and normal claims it is.
whit
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hwhit said:
"JJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
about a fifth were sentenced for a drug crime (21%)
The above statistic makes me feel real good. All those thousands of people and billions of
dollars spent to incarcerate pot smokers.
pot smokers are incarcerated extremely rarely.
deal with facts...
the vast majority of drug offenders in prisons and/or jails got there

for
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
multiple offenses, hard drug offenses etc.
pot possession, in small amounts is practically de facto decrim in most jurisdictions.
the people incarcerated for drugs are almost never there for simple mj possession.
that's reality.
It
Quoted message said:
really makes me feel safe knowing we lock up people smoking a joint or growing a few plants for
their personal consumption. Money well spent as we release rapists and child molesters back on
society because of lack of bed space. America should decriminalize soft drugs
many jurisdictions HAVE decrim'd mj.
some have done de jure decrim, and many others de facto decrim.
whit
and focus law
Quoted message said:
enforcement efforts and money on violent criminals.
[email hidden] wrote:
>Ho hum...happy holidayz:
>
>ojp.usdoj.govcrimoff.htm *********************************** exzerpt
>********************** Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black
>males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic
>males and 5.9% of white males.
>******************************************************************
>
>Could this be at all due to (gasp!), *GENETICS* ??

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