I broke ANTOHER derailur....

TJ Poseno said:

Well i have went through two derailers in the last 4 days, how in the hell do you people get them
to last so long. both times it happened from me riding in the woods and the front wheel going over
a stick and kicking it up in to my derailer then it gets pushed into the spokes, and as you may
now, it gets destroyed after that. So why dont more people have this happen?

We don't live next door to M*k* V*nd*m*nn.

Tom Sherman – Close to 41½? N, 90½ W

TJ Poseno said:

Well i have went through two derailers in the last 4 days, how in the hell do you people get them
to last so long. both times it happened from me riding in the woods and the front wheel going over
a stick and kicking it up in to my derailer then it gets pushed into the spokes, and as you may
now, it gets destroyed after that. So why dont more people have this happen?

This is one of those things that only happens in three's. You'll be fine after your current
derailleur gets destroyed.

John

(TJ Poseno) said:

Well i have went through two derailers in the last 4 days, how in the hell do you people get them
to last so long. both times it happened from me riding in the woods and the front wheel going over
a stick and kicking it up in to my derailer then it gets pushed into the spokes, and as you may
now, it gets destroyed after that. So why dont more people have this happen?

I don't know; the stick always goes in between the idlers on mine.

I can't imagine how sticks have such uncanny ability to aim for that little spot.

The derailer I broke died going up a shallow grade on a rocky fire road; I was cranking a lot of
torque through it, and the cage snapped.
--
Rick Onanian

<< From: [email hidden] (TJ Poseno) >>

<< Well i have went through two derailers in the last 4 days, how in the hell do you people get them
to last so long. both times it happened from me riding in the woods and the front wheel going over a
stick and kicking it up in to my derailer then it gets pushed into the spokes, and as you may now,
it gets destroyed after that. So why dont more people have this happen? >>

In time you will learn not to ride over sticks that might kick up into your spokes. Shouldn't take
too much longer now...

Robert be real careful with those sticks, actually, they can ruin wheels and cause endos in addition
to the derailleur thing.

(TJ Poseno) said:

Well i have went through two derailers in the last 4 days, how in the hell do you people get them
to last so long. both times it happened from me riding in the woods and the front wheel going over
a stick and kicking it up in to my derailer then it gets pushed into the spokes, and as you may
now, it gets destroyed after that. So why dont more people have this happen?

People do. It does of course depend a lot on the territory you're riding through, and most people
who regularly post to this group are roadies rather than off-road cyclists. The problems of exposed
transmission are much more severe off road.

Two in four days, though, is very unlucky. Try to avoid going fast on tracks with lots of loose bits
of stick, or change your bike for a Nicolai Nucleon, which doesn't have exposed transmission and is
thus immune to this problem.

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On 27 Dec 2003 13:18:11 -0800, [email hidden] (TJ Poseno) may have

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Well i have went through two derailers in the last 4 days, how in the hell do you people get them
to last so long. both times it happened from me riding in the woods and the front wheel going over
a stick and kicking it up in to my derailer then it gets pushed into the spokes, and as you may
now, it gets destroyed after that. So why dont more people have this happen?

This is a woodland hazard that is present wherever trails are poorly maintained, or the rider
doesn't stick to the trails. In defense of our own hides and hardware, some of us stay on the
established and maintained trails. In my case, it also helps a great deal that those get kept clear
fairly reliably where I'm most often riding.

For what it's worth, I learned a long time ago to avoid sticks laying on the ground. One flipped
into my front spokes and put me into an instant endo many years back. Since then, my explorations of
unfamiliar trails have been less frantic...and less damaging.

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Well i have went through two derailers in the last 4 days, how in the hell do you people get them
to last so long. both times it happened from me riding in the woods and the front wheel going over
a stick and kicking it up in to my derailer then it gets pushed into the spokes, and as you may
now, it gets destroyed after that. So why dont more people have this happen?

Well in my case, I don't ride in the woods <GGG>.

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I used to look for the steepest uphills possible on bridle trails on a 27" 10-speed, but the horses
kept the trail pretty clear of sticks. The hardware hazard there was stripping the (freewheel)
threads on the rear hub.
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Quoted message said:

Well i have went through two derailers in the last 4 days, how in the hell do you people get
them to last so long. both times it happened from me riding in the woods and the front wheel
going over a stick and kicking it up in to my derailer then it gets pushed into the spokes, and
as you may now, it gets destroyed after that. So why dont more people have this happen?

Well in my case, I don't ride in the woods <GGG>.

Dear David,

Bicycling through a forest today, I ran over a broken derailleur and fell into a pile of what looked
like bear droppings.

While I was picking myself up, a bear emerged from the trees and laughed at me.

When I angrily blamed the bear for my foul predicament, he denied responsibility so convincingly
that I began to wonder if I was mistaken.

"So this isn't your fault?" I asked the bear as I wiped the awful stuff off my clothes.

"Hey," said the bear, pointing at the broken derailleur, "does David Kerber ride in the woods?"

The bear waddled off, chuckling to himself.

I thought that you ought to know.

Carl Fogel

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(TJ Poseno) may have said:

Well i have went through two derailers in the last 4 days, how in the hell do you people get them
to last so long. both times it happened from me riding in the woods and the front wheel going
over a stick and kicking it up in to my derailer then it gets pushed into the spokes, and as you
may now, it gets destroyed after that. So why dont more people have this happen?

I have seen people ride with bent hangers, bent enough so that the d. cage was actually brushing the
spokes. It doesn't take much to nudge it into the spokes then.

Quoted message said:

This is a woodland hazard that is present wherever trails are poorly maintained, or the rider
doesn't stick to the trails. In defense of our own hides and hardware, some of us stay on the
established and maintained trails. In my case, it also helps a great deal that those get kept
clear fairly reliably where I'm most often riding.

This isn't a common problem where I ride, and the trails aren't "maintained" at all. Actually, I
thought the whole point of MTB'ing was to ride anywhere. I don't think it helps to insinuate that
anyone who trashes a derailer is off-trail, either.

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For what it's worth, I learned a long time ago to avoid sticks laying on the ground. One flipped
into my front spokes and put me into an instant endo many years back. Since then, my explorations
of unfamiliar trails have been less frantic...and less damaging.

I think it's very hard to pick up a stick in your front wheel, unless you have a very bad tread
pattern. What's much more common is gettting a stick thrown up by a rider in front. This can be a
pretty serious road hazard.

TJ Poseno said:

Well i have went through two derailers in the last 4 days, how in the hell do you people get them
to last so long. both times it happened from me riding in the woods and the front wheel going over
a stick and kicking it up in to my derailer then it gets pushed into the spokes, and as you may
now, it gets destroyed after that. So why dont more people have this happen?

Have you tried a short cage road mech? If you're experienced you'll never shift into big-big or small-
small gear combinations - just ensure it will handle your largest sprocket - most will do a 28.

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Well i have went through two derailers in the last 4 days, how in the hell do you people get them
to last so long. both times it happened from me riding in the woods and the front wheel going over
a stick and kicking it up in to my derailer then it gets pushed into the spokes, and as you may
now, it gets destroyed after that. So why dont more people have this happen?

Sh!t happens. Many folks just don't complain about it. Mostly I break the replaceable hanger on my
bike. But occasionally the derailleur takes a hit. Like other posters have suggested you learn to
look out for sticks. You use your ears to listen for errant sticks and hit the brakes before they
can do damage. To other posters who suggest trails with derailleur busting sticks on them are poorly
maintained, all I can say is you have way more time than I do to clean up every stick.

Mike

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:16:07 GMT, "Peter Cole"

may have said:

I think it's very hard to pick up a stick in your front wheel, unless you have a very bad tread
pattern. What's much more common is gettting a stick thrown up by a rider in front. This can be a
pretty serious road hazard.

Hard, yes, but not impossible, and the tread is irrelevant in my direct experience.

When it happened to me, I was on a bike with near-smooth 26 x 1 3/8 tires on EA3 rims, riding
through fairly deep southern lawn-type grass on a vacant lot with a large stand of pine trees. The
tread didn't pick up the stick, instead the stick fractured as it was ridden over, and the end was
flung into the spokes by the surrounding material. I've seen the same thing happen to others a
couple of times over the years since my own endo. It has always taken place off the trail; that's
lhardly surprising, since on the beaten path, there's less chance for the described and previously
observed conditions to exist. I've more frequently seen endoes *on* a path due to *other* causes,
but the scenario I describe has always been played out in the weeds or on unmaintained (read:
deer) trails.

I've also seen quite a few sticks broken (rarely bending or breaking a spoke) in the same way.
Sometimes the riders were completely unaware of the event.

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"Hey," said the bear, pointing at the broken derailleur, "does David Kerber ride in the woods?"

The bear waddled off, chuckling to himself.

I thought that you ought to know.

Nicely done!

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Carl Fogel

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(R15757) said:

be real careful with those sticks, actually, they can ruin wheels and cause endos in addition to
the derailleur thing.

...or destroy spokes, if they don't cause that endo. That was an educational experience.
--
Rick Onanian

Ron Hardin said:

I used to look for the steepest uphills possible on bridle trails on a 27" 10-speed, but the horses
kept the trail pretty clear of sticks. The hardware hazard there was stripping the (freewheel)
threads on the rear hub.

No sticks, but I bet those horses leave their own hazard for you.
--
Rick Onanian

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Originally posted by Rick Onanian

BOn 27 Dec 2003 22:38:41 GMT said:

be real careful with those sticks, actually, they can ruin wheels and cause endos in addition to
the derailleur thing.

...or destroy spokes, if they don't cause that endo. That was an educational experience.
--
Rick Onanian [/B]

Yah, I've had an endo and destroyed spokes from sticks, no ders destroyed that way.

I did destroy a road bike rear der that got pulled between my frame and rear wheel when I broke a rear axle.

Maybe you need a derailleur fairing.

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Originally posted by Tj Poseno
Well i have went through two derailers in the last 4 days, how in the hell do you people get them to
last so long. both times it happened from me riding in the woods and the front wheel going over a
stick and kicking it up in to my derailer then it gets pushed into the spokes, and as you may now,
it gets destroyed after that. So why dont more people have this happen?

How about you build a long cage for your derailuer 😄
(how come nobeody else didn't beat me to the punch line)
and place it around the deraileur to protect it.