Toronto

Just zis Guy said:

The city in Canada, not the Lone Ranger's sidekick...

<http://www.toronto.ca/transportation/publications/bicycle_motor-vehicle/index.htm>

I'm not sure about some of the conclusions, in particular:

"Infrastructure enhancements (prohibiting right-turns at red lights, **installing bicycle lanes
next to on-street parking**) also may reduce the potential for some of these conflicts at
particular locations. "

I'm sure that encouraging cyclists to move anywhere near parked cars is a bad idea!

The document seems to be a remarkably thorough study though I only read the juicy bits. The further
work looks interesting too, particularly the proposed evaluation of cycle lane effiacy.

Regards,

-david

David Nutter said:

The document seems to be a remarkably thorough study

I thought so too. I wonder how we can persuade our local city & town councils to do similar work?

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David Nutter said:

The document seems to be a remarkably thorough study

I thought so too. I wonder how we can persuade our local city & town councils to do similar work?

You won't, they're far too parochial.

Pete

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David Nutter said:

The document seems to be a remarkably thorough study

I thought so too. I wonder how we can persuade our local city & town councils to do
similar work?

You won't, they're far too parochial.

I thought it was parish councils that would be parochial ;-)
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Michael MacClancy said:

I thought it was parish councils that would be parochial ;-)

Dunno - I'm a member of a parochial church council, does that count?

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Michael MacClancy said:

I thought it was parish councils that would be parochial ;-)

Dunno - I'm a member of a parochial church council, does that count?

I suppose it's possible that your parochial church council could be parochial in both senses of the
word but, if you typify its membership, that seems unlikely.

Have a good Christmas and thanks for telling me about Ricky at AW Cycles - it was the best thing
anyone told me all year.
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Just zis Guy said:

The city in Canada, not the Lone Ranger's sidekick...

<http://www.toronto.ca/transportation/publications/bicycle_motor-vehicle/index.htm>

As seen on Various Other Newsgroups.

Page 25, para 1:

"We were unable to find a relationship between helmet use and injury severity".

Page 30, para 1:

"In about thirty percent of collisions, the cyclists were riding on the sidewalk immediately prior
to the collision".

The accident type frequency table on page 35 is particularly interesting. Two of the three most
common types of collision were 'Motorist overtaking' (277 incidents - 11.9% of all collisions) and
'Motorist opens vehicle door' (276 incidents - also 11.9%). Only 1.9% of incidents are characterised
as 'Cyclist lost control'. More interesting still is table 3.3 on page 37 which correlates injury
severity with collision type. Four of the ten deaths occured in 'Motorist overtaking' collisions, as
did 8% of all serious injuries. Two deaths happened in incidents described as 'Ride out at
controlled intersection' (the cyclist going through either a red light or a stop sign) although such
incidents were only 2.8% of all incidents. 'Motorist opens vehicle door' was also likely to cause
severe injuries, underlining the danger of cycling in the 'door zone'.

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Michael MacClancy said:

thanks for telling me about Ricky at AW Cycles - it was the best thing anyone told me all year.

My pleasure.

He's just fettled the disc brakes on the Stinger for me :-)

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Very interesting study, I'm gratified by the systematic approach and the apparently high interest by
a government body in finding out how to make cycling safer.

At the risk of sounding pedantic, the Lone Ranger's sidekick was named Tonto, not Toronto. I'm told
that "Tonto" is Spanish for "idiot" or "fool", which makes me wonder about the relationship between
those two individuals.
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mark said:

At the risk of sounding pedantic, the Lone Ranger's sidekick was named Tonto, not Toronto. I'm
told that "Tonto" is Spanish for "idiot" or "fool", which makes me wonder about the relationship
between those two individuals.

And Kimosabe is Native American for "looks like the back end of a horse"

Tony ;-)

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At the risk of sounding pedantic, the Lone Ranger's sidekick was named Tonto, not Toronto.

But do you know the definition of an intellectual?

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Just zis Guy said:

mark said:

At the risk of sounding pedantic, the Lone Ranger's sidekick was named Tonto, not Toronto.

But do you know the definition of an intellectual?

An intellectual is someone who can hear "Toronto" without thinking of "Tonto" ?

(with apologies to John Chesson ;-)

Tony