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I was recently struck that there are extraordinarily similar
circumstances,traits, or patterns of behavior for issues with clutter,
cleaning, overeating, and substance abuse. It was very humbling and
sobering, Lee
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Has anyone ever cleaned their bathroom and then swore that you would never let it get that messy
again only to find it creeps up to be just as icky

as

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before a couple of weeks later? That's how my weight loss efforts have been! It's funny how I get
lulled into thinking that once a little weight comes off, I can eat anything (damned butter
[censored]!). Anyone else experience this phenomenon? Julie

Only about a thousand times 🙂

"Julie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5C9Cb.668567$pl3.61297@pd7tw3no...

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Has anyone ever cleaned their bathroom and then swore that you would never let it get that messy
again only to find it creeps up to be just as icky

as

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before a couple of weeks later? That's how my weight loss efforts have been! It's funny how I get
lulled into thinking that once a little weight comes off, I can eat anything (damned butter
[censored]!). Anyone else experience this phenomenon? Julie

That's amazingly true! I used to be a smoker (drum roll: now smoke free for over 5 years - 20 lbs
later) and during so many earlier quits after a few weeks smoke free thought that I could be a
"social smoker" and ended up back to a pack a day. How can intelligent (well, questionable in my
case) adults trick themselves so completely? You're right, Lee, it's definitely a personality trait
that I've only just realized. It's all lies - you can teach an old dog new tricks! Stay happy and
healthy. Julie

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I was recently struck that there are extraordinarily similar circumstances,traits, or patterns of
behavior for issues with clutter, cleaning, overeating, and substance abuse. It was very humbling
and sobering, Lee Julie <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:5C9Cb.668567$pl3.61297@pd7tw3no...

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Has anyone ever cleaned their bathroom and then swore that you would

never

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let it get that messy again only to find it creeps up to be just as icky

as

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before a couple of weeks later? That's how my weight loss efforts have been! It's funny how I
get lulled into thinking that once a little

weight

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comes off, I can eat anything (damned butter [censored]!). Anyone else experience this
phenomenon? Julie

I used to be a smoker as well. I've been smoke free now for 14 years. Holy smokes I can't
believe it's been that long. I gained about 50ish pounds when I quit smoking. Did you gain when
you quit Julie?

"Julie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9SbCb.665843$6C4.443459@pd7tw1no...

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That's amazingly true! I used to be a smoker (drum roll: now smoke free for over 5 years - 20 lbs
later) and during so many earlier quits after a few weeks smoke free thought that I could be a
"social smoker" and ended

up

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back to a pack a day. How can intelligent (well, questionable in my case) adults trick themselves
so completely? You're right, Lee, it's definitely

a

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personality trait that I've only just realized. It's all lies - you can teach an old dog new
tricks! Stay happy and healthy. Julie

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...

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I was recently struck that there are extraordinarily similar circumstances,traits, or patterns
of behavior for issues with clutter, cleaning, overeating, and substance abuse. It was very
humbling and sobering, Lee Julie <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:5C9Cb.668567$pl3.61297@pd7tw3no...

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Has anyone ever cleaned their bathroom and then swore that you would

never

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let it get that messy again only to find it creeps up to be just as

icky

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as

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before a couple of weeks later? That's how my weight loss efforts

have

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been! It's funny how I get lulled into thinking that once a little

weight

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comes off, I can eat anything (damned butter [censored]!). Anyone else experience this phenomenon?
Julie

Way to go, Brenda, that's a long time! Yes, I put on about 20 lbs - had to put something in my mouth
for the first few weeks and food was definitely healthier than a cigarette. Julie

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I used to be a smoker as well. I've been smoke free now for 14 years.

Holy

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smokes I can't believe it's been that long. I gained about 50ish pounds when I quit smoking. Did
you gain when you quit Julie?

"Julie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9SbCb.665843$6C4.443459@pd7tw1no...

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That's amazingly true! I used to be a smoker (drum roll: now smoke

free

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for over 5 years - 20 lbs later) and during so many earlier quits after

a

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few weeks smoke free thought that I could be a "social smoker" and ended

up

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back to a pack a day. How can intelligent (well, questionable in my

case)

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adults trick themselves so completely? You're right, Lee, it's

definitely

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a

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personality trait that I've only just realized. It's all lies - you can teach an old dog new
tricks! Stay happy and healthy. Julie

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...

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I was recently struck that there are extraordinarily similar circumstances,traits, or patterns
of behavior for issues with clutter, cleaning, overeating, and substance abuse. It was very
humbling and sobering, Lee Julie <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:5C9Cb.668567$pl3.61297@pd7tw3no...
> Has anyone ever cleaned their bathroom and then swore that you would

never

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> let it get that messy again only to find it creeps up to be just as

icky

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as
> before a couple of weeks later? That's how my weight loss efforts

have

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> been! It's funny how I get lulled into thinking that once a little

weight

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> comes off, I can eat anything (damned butter [censored]!). Anyone else experience this
> phenomenon? Julie
>
>

totally! every thursday, when the scales are kind (not all that often) it's like - whey hey - I can
snack today, cos hey - that won't affect me......as if!

--
krys

UK 157/134.2/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 struggling now......but
making progress.

"Julie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5C9Cb.668567$pl3.61297@pd7tw3no...

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Has anyone ever cleaned their bathroom and then swore that you would never let it get that messy
again only to find it creeps up to be just as icky

as

Quoted message said:

before a couple of weeks later? That's how my weight loss efforts have been! It's funny how I get
lulled into thinking that once a little weight comes off, I can eat anything (damned butter
[censored]!). Anyone else experience this phenomenon? Julie

I haven't dealt with smoking as when I assessed it losing weight seemed far easier to deal with for
me. I also tend for trying to be perfect and I knew that trying to lose weight and quit smoking
would be too much. I also for the first time in my life had a high blood pressure incident that
scared the hell out of me so I knew the weight had to go. The real truth is that all "additive" and
"self destructive" behaviors have at their root, insecurities, a need to cope with life and the
inability to do it constructively. Once I figured that out things have gone much better, as in the
example of house cleaning, DH and I are the people who suffer if my house is not picked up and yet
if it isn't picked up it has the comfort factor of saying I can't host this or that I would have to
clean too much, [censored] total security from dealing with socializing, same thing with eating and
smoking for me. I can't quit smoking I would gain too much, HELLO, I needed to lose 120 pounds while
I was saying this, and eating, the only area I had ever seriously worked on, at least nobody can
tell me what to eat... and on... and on...

Bottom line that we all eat wrong, smoke or use for different experiential reasons but the
commonality is that we all lack the coping mechanisms to deal effectively with our life situations,
Lee, who is getting too deep even for her comfort level//... Julie <[email hidden]> wrote in
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That's amazingly true! I used to be a smoker (drum roll: now smoke free for over 5 years - 20 lbs
later) and during so many earlier quits after a few weeks smoke free thought that I could be a
"social smoker" and ended

up

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back to a pack a day. How can intelligent (well, questionable in my case) adults trick themselves
so completely? You're right, Lee, it's definitely

a

Quoted message said:

personality trait that I've only just realized. It's all lies - you can teach an old dog new
tricks! Stay happy and healthy. Julie

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...

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I was recently struck that there are extraordinarily similar circumstances,traits, or patterns
of behavior for issues with clutter, cleaning, overeating, and substance abuse. It was very
humbling and sobering, Lee Julie <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:5C9Cb.668567$pl3.61297@pd7tw3no...

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Has anyone ever cleaned their bathroom and then swore that you would

never

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let it get that messy again only to find it creeps up to be just as

icky

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as

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before a couple of weeks later? That's how my weight loss efforts

have

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been! It's funny how I get lulled into thinking that once a little

weight

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comes off, I can eat anything (damned butter [censored]!). Anyone else experience this phenomenon?
Julie

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 04:54:29 GMT, "Julie" <[email hidden]>

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That's amazingly true! I used to be a smoker (drum roll: now smoke free for over 5 years - 20 lbs
later) and during so many earlier quits after a few weeks smoke free thought that I could be a
"social smoker" and ended up back to a pack a day. How can intelligent (well, questionable in my
case) adults trick themselves so completely? You're right, Lee, it's definitely a personality trait
that I've only just realized. It's all lies - you can teach an old dog new tricks!

I also stopped smoking some years ago. Up until about 5 years ago I still craved ciggies about every
other day. I went to a wedding and had a couple of cigarettes, and was violently ill outside some
minutes later. I haven't really wanted a ciggy since. I gained loads of weight after stopping, and
it wasn't helped by getting a car. But stupidly the doctor said that putting on a few pounds was
better than smoking - it may be but that is no reason for a doctor to condone weight gain. Of the
two (quitting smoking/losing weight) losing weight is by far the hardest. What I find amazing is how
the mind performs tricks on you to get you to continue smoking/eating/etc.

Take today. I had to go to the doctor and didn't have much time so I had a slimfast for breakfast,
then to work. We are moving offices so no time for lunch either. I gets home and puts dinner on,
it'll be ready in an hour. But instead of waiting I eat 1 pear, two slices of bread with cottage
cheese, a couple of chocolate muffins. Now if I'd waited an extra 30 minutes I'd have had a good low
calorie day. As it is I'll have to do 30 minutes of cardio to get back on target. And since it's far
too late to start cardio I'm none too pleased with myself.

Ray
--
rmnsuk overall - 273/210/182

I am impressed
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I used to be a smoker as well. I've been smoke free now for 14 years.

Holy

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smokes I can't believe it's been that long. I gained about 50ish pounds when I quit smoking. Did
you gain when you quit Julie?

"Julie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9SbCb.665843$6C4.443459@pd7tw1no...

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That's amazingly true! I used to be a smoker (drum roll: now smoke

free

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for over 5 years - 20 lbs later) and during so many earlier quits after

a

Quoted message said:

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few weeks smoke free thought that I could be a "social smoker" and ended

up

Quoted message said:

back to a pack a day. How can intelligent (well, questionable in my

case)

Quoted message said:

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adults trick themselves so completely? You're right, Lee, it's

definitely

Quoted message said:

a

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personality trait that I've only just realized. It's all lies - you can teach an old dog new
tricks! Stay happy and healthy. Julie

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...

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I was recently struck that there are extraordinarily similar circumstances,traits, or patterns
of behavior for issues with clutter, cleaning, overeating, and substance abuse. It was very
humbling and sobering, Lee Julie <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:5C9Cb.668567$pl3.61297@pd7tw3no...
> Has anyone ever cleaned their bathroom and then swore that you would

never

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> let it get that messy again only to find it creeps up to be just as

icky

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as
> before a couple of weeks later? That's how my weight loss efforts

have

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> been! It's funny how I get lulled into thinking that once a little

weight

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> comes off, I can eat anything (damned butter [censored]!). Anyone else experience this
> phenomenon? Julie
>
>

I thought so at the time too. Although I didn't have a really difficult time quitting, not like some
others I know. I'm just glad that I've been able to avoid cigarettes for 14 years now. They do
sometimes smell good still. Now to get rid of the lbs I gained after quitting!!

"Julie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KkkCb.678148$9l5.35696@pd7tw2no...

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Way to go, Brenda, that's a long time! Yes, I put on about 20 lbs - had

to

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put something in my mouth for the first few weeks and food was definitely healthier than a
cigarette. Julie

"Brenda Hammond" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I used to be a smoker as well. I've been smoke free now for 14 years.

Holy

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smokes I can't believe it's been that long. I gained about 50ish pounds when I quit smoking. Did
you gain when you quit Julie?

"Julie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9SbCb.665843$6C4.443459@pd7tw1no...

Quoted message said:

That's amazingly true! I used to be a smoker (drum roll: now smoke

free

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for over 5 years - 20 lbs later) and during so many earlier quits

after

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a

Quoted message said:

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few weeks smoke free thought that I could be a "social smoker" and

ended

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up

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back to a pack a day. How can intelligent (well, questionable in my

case)

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adults trick themselves so completely? You're right, Lee, it's

definitely

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a

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personality trait that I've only just realized. It's all lies - you

can

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teach an old dog new tricks! Stay happy and healthy. Julie

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...
> I was recently struck that there are extraordinarily similar circumstances,traits, or
> patterns of behavior for issues with

clutter,

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> cleaning, overeating, and substance abuse. It was very humbling and sobering, Lee Julie
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> > Has anyone ever cleaned their bathroom and then swore that you

would

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never
> > let it get that messy again only to find it creeps up to be just

as

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icky

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> as
> > before a couple of weeks later? That's how my weight loss efforts

have

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> > been! It's funny how I get lulled into thinking that once a

little

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weight
> > comes off, I can eat anything (damned butter [censored]!). Anyone else experience this
> > phenomenon? Julie
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>
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Thanks Lee

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
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I am impressed Brenda Hammond <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I used to be a smoker as well. I've been smoke free now for 14 years.

Holy

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smokes I can't believe it's been that long. I gained about 50ish pounds when I quit smoking. Did
you gain when you quit Julie?

"Julie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9SbCb.665843$6C4.443459@pd7tw1no...

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That's amazingly true! I used to be a smoker (drum roll: now smoke

free

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for over 5 years - 20 lbs later) and during so many earlier quits

after

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a

Quoted message said:

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few weeks smoke free thought that I could be a "social smoker" and

ended

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up

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back to a pack a day. How can intelligent (well, questionable in my

case)

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adults trick themselves so completely? You're right, Lee, it's

definitely

Quoted message said:

a

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personality trait that I've only just realized. It's all lies - you

can

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Quoted message said:

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teach an old dog new tricks! Stay happy and healthy. Julie

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de...
> I was recently struck that there are extraordinarily similar circumstances,traits, or
> patterns of behavior for issues with

clutter,

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> cleaning, overeating, and substance abuse. It was very humbling and sobering, Lee Julie
> <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5C9Cb.668567$pl3.61297@pd7tw3no...
> > Has anyone ever cleaned their bathroom and then swore that you

would

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never
> > let it get that messy again only to find it creeps up to be just

as

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icky

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> as
> > before a couple of weeks later? That's how my weight loss efforts

have

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> > been! It's funny how I get lulled into thinking that once a

little

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weight
> > comes off, I can eat anything (damned butter [censored]!). Anyone else experience this
> > phenomenon? Julie
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