Does anyone have any experiences with total knee replacement and continued high-mileage cycling? (female cyclist, 49 years old, competitive masters rider, knee-injury from early 70's that is horrific - docs recommend total knee replacement...we're seeking more opinions)
Also, does anyone have experience with Synvisc Hylan G-F 20 knee injections?
Any off-list responses would be greatly appreciated. Again, sorry for the off-topic post. [email hidden]
I highly recommend you get lots of opinions from lots of Dr.'s before you get the TKR done. Apparently there is a lot of work going on trying to develop a TKR that will last a persons lifetime under the stresses you are likely to inflict upon it. You need to find out who the people are at the forefront of this research.
I ride 5000 miles a year and like you have an injury from the 70's, am looking at tkr in March. These artifical knees are great for somebody who goes from the couch to the bathroom and back. My doc, when I told him how much I ride said people like me scare the hell out of him, not a good sign. But I have no choice, will keep this page posted of results
Originally posted by pedalhome Apologies for the off-topic post.
Does anyone have any experiences with total knee replacement and continued high-mileage cycling? (female cyclist, 49 years old, competitive masters rider, knee-injury from early 70's that is horrific - docs recommend total knee replacement...we're seeking more opinions)
Also, does anyone have experience with Synvisc Hylan G-F 20 knee injections?
Any off-list responses would be greatly appreciated. Again, sorry for the off-topic post. [email hidden]
regards, Jenny & michael
Jenny, Have you gotten any more information on knee replacement and cycing? I am a masters racer (53) in fact a national champion. I had surgery on my knee for meniscus tears a year ago & there was no change in the pain and swelling. A sports med. doc. has recommended total knee replacement because I have very little cartilage left on the lateral side of my knee. I told him I would like to wait awhile before having the surgery and he recommeded that I wear an unloader brace when I ride, workout or walk a lot. I've been using it for about 2 weeks. It helps a bit, but its not a cure all.... Anybody have any input before my fitness level is totally trashed?
Originally posted by leesm Jenny, Have you gotten any more information on knee replacement and cycing? I am a masters racer (53) in fact a national champion. I had surgery on my knee for meniscus tears a year ago & there was no change in the pain and swelling. A sports med. doc. has recommended total knee replacement because I have very little cartilage left on the lateral side of my knee. I told him I would like to wait awhile before having the surgery and he recommeded that I wear an unloader brace when I ride, workout or walk a lot. I've been using it for about 2 weeks. It helps a bit, but its not a cure all.... Anybody have any input before my fitness level is totally trashed?
Sue
Hi, I had a TKR about two years ago. As part of my recuperation I took up road biking and really got into it. I am 52, 6' 3", 180lbs and ride 150 to 200 miles a week typically at an average of 18 to 20mph. My knee is holding up fine but I am concerned about long term wear. Now that biking has become such a big part of my life I am concerned about what kind of wear I am doing to the knee and how long I can expect it to hold up. I have not seen my doc in about a year but he was aware that I was riding pretty agressively and didn't seem to be overly concerned. I will probably go in for some Xrays in the next month or so to see what kind of wear I am experiencing.
I would be interested in anything you are learning about TKR longevity for active cyclists. If you are considering a TKR I would strongly recommend that you focus on post operative flexibility. I did not regain enough flexibility after my surgert to be able to ride comfortably and was told by my surgeon that there was nothing that could be done to improve thing other than PT. I went for a second opinion and found a doc who said he could get me 20 more degrees of motion through arthroscopic debredment. Thank God I found him since I went ahead with his procedure and was able to get to 115 degree range of motion. A lot of the surgeons who only do TKRs are not fully up to speed on post op arthroscopic remedies. You really need to focus on range of motion and make sure your doc understands how important it is that you get at least 110 degree range of motion post op or you won't be able to ride.
I can tell you that the surgery and recovery is really tough but worth the effort if things work out. I was in sever pain prior to the surgery (old footbally injury and over three previous operations) and could barely walk. It was worth it for me especially after I had the second procedure and got the extra range of motion. Good luck!
I had synvisc injections in the fall of 2002 which seemed to help. In the early summer of 2003, I had synvisc again and experienced a reaction to it. My 'pod did some research and found that hylagan (sp) was similar but didn't have some preservatives that were in the synvisc. I went through the series of hylagan injections in fall of 2003 and had a very fast (for me) November. It's now March and I'm hoping to get another set. In general, I am a candidate for TKR; I can get bone-to-bone on either side of the left knee. I just hoping to get another year out of this thing. Note that I ride an hour a day at a pulse of 150 and then ride with a fast club for 45 miles or so once a week.
Ted, Thanks for the information! Hope it works out for you. I read this week in the local newpaper that a less-invasive TKR has been developed. The incision made is 3" rather than 12" and they don't cut the quadricep muscle or tendon, so the recovery is less painful and quicker. The patient is only in the hospital for a day and is able to walk without cane or crutches in 5 days. The folks who developed this surgery, predict that 40% of the TKRs done five years from now will be this type. It is not for suitable for eveyone. People who are obese or over 80 or who have other nonarthroscopic knee surgery don't qualify. But for many of us this will be great news. Tria and Dr. Thomas Coon of Redding, Calif. developed this method. I know that locally, some doctors at the Mayo clinic in Rochester, MN and United Hos. in St. Paul are already using this procedure! I'm sure it is also being used in other parts of the country. Just wanted to pass the word.
Originally posted by leesm Jenny, Have you gotten any more information on knee replacement and cycing? I am a masters racer (53) in fact a national champion. I had surgery on my knee for meniscus tears a year ago & there was no change in the pain and swelling. A sports med. doc. has recommended total knee replacement because I have very little cartilage left on the lateral side of my knee. I told him I would like to wait awhile before having the surgery and he recommeded that I wear an unloader brace when I ride, workout or walk a lot. I've been using it for about 2 weeks. It helps a bit, but its not a cure all.... Anybody have any input before my fitness level is totally trashed?
Sue
Some people are getting meniscal transplants (cadaver) now and the results have been really good. Unfortunately the waiting list is long apparently. There is also work going on with synthetic menisci which looks promising.
In your case Sue, I'd look into some extra PT to help stabilize the knee and control the laxity that's beating up your meniscus. Tell the PT that you need to work on your "propreoceptors". You might find some OTC products like glucosamine+chondroitin+MSM and some sam-E helpful - I have for what's left of my knee!
Tim, I've taken glucosamine+chondroitin daily for about 4 years. I also take 800 mg ibuprofin a day. The unloader brace seems to help. I can stand longer, walk longer etc. but it just takes one twist, or awkword step to cause shooting pain. The the rest of the day I have discomfort, swelling and more sharp pain. I can be at the library and stoop down to look at a book... or twist it getting out of the car... it doesn't take much, but I still can walk. It's not like I can't put any weight on the knee at all. The doc says I have a fair amount of arthritis too. I really don't think I'll be able to compete in sports any more, but I think I still can ride both on and off road.
I bought my first 10 speed bike in 1964. Rode on and off for a number of years. I was doing 30-50 miles on weekends last summer. I had a TNR (Genesis II) at Thanksgiving. Had operation at 7:30 am. Was walking using a walker that afternoon. Was walking using a cane the next morning. Relased from hospital the 36 hours after the operation. Began riding my bike on an indoor trainer later in the week. Rode consistently 30-45 minutes at a crack. Now riding 6-12 miles a day (trying to take it easy). I have promised myself a new bike if I can do 30 miles in 2 hours by this summer. Yes, it's painful -- but no more painful than prior to the operation -- and I now have the oportunity to improve my situation. My orthopaedist had gave me only two restrictions -- no running, no jumping. I'm 54. Look to see if the othopaedist can do a MIS (minimally invassive) TNR--the latest and greatest. Ask lots of questions. dale
Originally posted by leesm Tim, I've taken glucosamine+chondroitin daily for about 4 years. I also take 800 mg ibuprofin a day. The unloader brace seems to help. I can stand longer, walk longer etc. but it just takes one twist, or awkword step to cause shooting pain. The the rest of the day I have discomfort, swelling and more sharp pain. I can be at the library and stoop down to look at a book... or twist it getting out of the car... it doesn't take much, but I still can walk. It's not like I can't put any weight on the knee at all. The doc says I have a fair amount of arthritis too. I really don't think I'll be able to compete in sports any more, but I think I still can ride both on and off road.
Sue
Hey Sue,
I'd go out and get some more opinions before you have the doc do a TKR. I ended up going to 5 orthos before I was satisfied - and I got a disturbing range of opinions by the way! The first doc was an idiot - literally!
There is a lot of stuff that can be done with arthritis before you go TKR. TKR is last resort, especially for someone as young and fit as you!
Thanks Tim, I plan on holding off on the TKR for as long as I can. I've already been to 3 ortho docs. The first did arthosopic surgery on the knee then some cortizone shots and anti-inflamitory drugs. Next I went to a sports medicine knee specialist & had viscosuplimentation. Then to another sports medicine knee specialist who wanted to do partial or total knee replacement. I told him I just didn't want to go through that just yet. So he recommended I try wearing an unloader brace. So that's where I am now.
Originally posted by pedalhome Apologies for the off-topic post.
Does anyone have any experiences with total knee replacement and continued high-mileage cycling? (female cyclist, 49 years old, competitive masters rider, knee-injury from early 70's that is horrific - docs recommend total knee replacement...we're seeking more opinions)
Also, does anyone have experience with Synvisc Hylan G-F 20 knee injections?
Any off-list responses would be greatly appreciated. Again, sorry for the off-topic post. [email hidden]
regards, Jenny & michael
I think it's interesting that everyone comments on the wear and tear on a TKA but not the wear an tear on a knee that is not letting a person fully function. Definately get multiple opinions, but make sure you are seeing orthopedists who have experience in Sports Medicine, because you are not an average patient.
You will need a doctor for any therapy or procedure that understands your goals. Range of motion and level of Strength that is considered functional for an average housewife whose major concern is climbing 1 flight of stairs with minimal pain is not appropriate for pretty much anyone who reads this forum.
Check out another thread here that has additional info (& opinions!): Cycling Forums> Bike Racing> Health,Nutrition and Supplements> knee replacement
I live in Barbados and had tkr done locally 8 weeks ago. At this point, I am off the cane except for rough terrain and steps, and everything is going well. I found the operation and rehab was a lot less traumatic than I expected.
This morning I got on my MTB (on a wind trainer) for the first time since surgery and found that I have enough flexion to turn the pedals, but there is some question about whether I am flexing more than the allowed 120 degrees. I will know this later.
For anyone considering tkr I would suggest that you make sure that your quads and hamstrings are as strong as they possibly can be before the operation. I worked hard at this, and my physio says that mine has been the easiest rehab that she has ever done. Also be aware that the physio hurts like hell, but it is essential - don't skip it.
I am 57 years old, and the knee injury was originally from motocross racing and not paying attention to my knee when I hurt it. Back then it was 6 months in a cast and a year of physio (which as any 21-year-old knows is waaaaay too much time to spend off of 2 wheels). If you have knee pain, keeping the thighs strong is a major help - straight leg raises with ankle weights work really well, and can be done without weights to get started without too much pain. Don't forget the 'good' leg as well.
I had bilateral knee replacement November 15th.2010 (both knees). I was up and walking the next day. I spent 2 weeks in hospital after the operation, then 2 weeks in rehab after that. The physio worked my knees hard the first week after the operation and got 90 degrees rom out of them. Unfortunately they swelled up so much after this that I had to rest them for the second week. However, in rehab they got my rom up to about 100 degrees. (This was an average as my knees had good and bad days). Following the rehab, I had outpatient physiotherapy for 13 weeks. They gave me lots of exercises to do at home which hurt like mad, but you have to rest and start again. My surgeon told me that I would only be able to bend my knees to 120 degrees because of the plastic insert between the 2 pieces of metal. At my last visit to physio, both of my knees were safely bending to 128 degrees ! OK, to sum up. I've had both knees replaced, spent 3 months doing exercises, and I'm now back at work full time. (I'm an Aircraft Cabin Mechanic, up and down steps all day). I am now considering buying a MTB to get to and from work which is about a 6 mile return journey each day (on the flat). If anyone asked me wether to have the operation, I would definately say yes. I am 50 years old, and have probably lost about 3 years of my life with pain in my knees.
Just wondered how you are going now, almost a year after the TKR. How much cycling are you doing? Also, do you still ride Motocross or Enduro/Trail Bikes at all and how are the knees holding up to that? I cycle approx. 200Km per week and ride Dirt Bikes (Yamaha WR450) and am considering a TKR on a knee where I had an ACL reconstruction in 1997 and it has no cartiledge and is starting to get very weak and painful. Many thanks.
So what is the method called, Journey Deuce or some other name. I am scheduled for TKR on Feb 1st (left knee). I also bike for conditioning, inline-skate and do a lot of lap swimming. Platelet Rich Plasma treatments also work I believe but take a while to complete and the jury is still out as to how long they last before another treatment. I did have stem-cell treatments in my right knee nearly three years ago and it worked pretty well. My knee got better but since then the doctors have been dragging their feet and it is not covered by insurance. At age 65, I just want my life back without all the accompanying pain. Thanks for your post. Klisco
Hi ,I had a total knee replacement done 2007 from a work injury. Before my injury I played ice hockey,Skied,Tennis,Running 5ks,and Biking. It took 3 operations to get things right, 1st was ACL reconstruction that didn't work so TKR was only option.It still wasnt right untill they replaced my patella.That did the trick.!The doctors told me I was a bad risk because i wanted to be active with sports if possible.Once I was out of pain I started Biking....5-8 miles 3 times a week felt great for range of motion.The started Skiing,Then Ice skating ,Then playing Hockey again,And even tennis just hitting the ball .Now im biking 30-40 miles a week.The only thing I cant do is running....Good Luck Hope this Helps
