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  1. Hi i'm new to the forum and am looking forward to reading the different variety of threads.
    Although only new i would like some advice if i can.
    I have an avanti escape hard tail with 26 wheels, also an apollo swift flat bar road bike and an argon 18 road bike. Having had surgery (knee replacement) recently i find it harder to ride the avanti than my flat bar road bike or road bike.
    My question is can i swap my 700 flat road bike wheels (apollo swift), similar gearing setup, and use them on the avanti. I tried placing the front wheel on and it fits ok, albeit i will have to addjust brake set up. i haven't attempted the rear wheel as yet. Can i just take the gear cluster from my 26" rear wheel and place on the 700 rear wheel and then purchase two new wheels for my apollo.
    Sorry if this sounds nieve, but at 62 and relatively new to cycling, my mechanical knowledge is limited at present.
    Any advice would be appreciated.
    Regards

    Mel
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  2. mel g said:

    I have an avanti escape hard tail with 26 wheels, also an apollo swift flat bar road bike and an argon 18 road bike. ...recently i find it harder to ride the avanti than my flat bar road bike or road bike.

    That is a bit odd. Generally speaking MTBs have lower ratios but bigger steps in their gearing than road bikes.
    I can think of two things:
    1) It's the bigger steps between gears that is upsetting you and preventing you from finding the "right" cadence. Easy fix - slap on a road cassette, adjust chain length(shouldn't be absolutely required)
    2) it's not about the gearing, but about the riding position somehow. Knee replacement surgery might well have messed up the geometry of your legs. Arm yourself with a spirit level, plumb line and a tape measure. Plot the distances between saddle, hand position and pedals for the "good" bike and the "bad" bike, see how they measure up. Also look at q-value(basically pedal-to-pedal width) between the bikes. If you use different shoes for the MTB and the road bikes, have a look at cleat alignment too. Odds are your Avanti has a higher Q value than your road bikes. If this is the culprit it's harder to address, but there are some options to get a narrower crank onto the MTB. Migh even be different crank lengts that are upsetting things.

    mel g said:

    My question is can i swap my 700 flat road bike wheels (apollo swift), similar gearing setup, and use them on the avanti.

    Yes/no/maybe. While 700 wheels usually will fit in a MTB frame, the brakes (if rim braked) won't reach. You can get a brake adapter(a horseshoe looking thingy) that bolts over the regular v-brake studs and let you set the brakes up for 700 wheels. They usually come with disclaimers about clearance limitations for which tires you can run. Then there's the issue with gearing compatibility. If you stay within the same number of speeds from the same manufacturer it's usually OK. Then there's compatibility WRT wear. Chain and cassette wear together. Parts that wer compatible out of the box might not be that after a few thousand miles.

    mel g said:

    Can i just take the gear cluster from my 26" rear wheel and place on the 700 rear wheel


    If the specs I'm looking at match your bikes, then it's no problem, they're both Shimano 8-speeds. But I thought is was the MTB you wanted to make more rideable? So why ask about what to stick on the flat bar road bike?

    mel g said:

    ...and then purchase two new wheels for my apollo.


    Now it's getting confusing again. Which bike is it that you're trying to improve, and in which direction?

    Getting a tighter span for the MTB is easy - slap on a road cassette. If the specs I found match what you've got it's no problem - any Shimano-compatible 8 speed cassette will do. (drivetrain wear excluded, better change the chain while you're at it)
    Apart from losing a few really low gears this is a zero-consequence affair. Shortening the chain is neat but probably not required.
    Sticking the road wheels in the MTB is IMO not worth it. Brakes have to be seriously modified for it to work, and the gain isn't much. Your highest gear will go up a bit, which is pretty much of zero use unless you regularly spin out as it is.
    Getting a wider range for the flat bar road bike is also easy, slap on a 8-speed shimano compatible MTB cassette. You might need a long cage MTB derailer to go with that. Replace chain while you're at it.

    In short: leave the wheels in the frames that they came in, and tweak gear ratios by getting new cassettes, or by switching the old ones around. Watch chain length and derailer capacity.

  3. mel g said:

    I have an avanti escape hard tail with 26 wheels, also an apollo swift flat bar road bike and an argon 18 road bike. Having had surgery (knee replacement) recently i find it harder to ride the avanti than my flat bar road bike or road bike.
    My question is can i swap my 700 flat road bike wheels (apollo swift), similar gearing setup, and use them on the avanti. I tried placing the front wheel on and it fits ok, albeit i will have to addjust brake set up. i haven't attempted the rear wheel as yet. Can i just take the gear cluster from my 26" rear wheel and place on the 700 rear wheel and then purchase two new wheels for my apollo.
    Sorry if this sounds nieve, but at 62 and relatively new to cycling, my mechanical knowledge is limited at present.
    Any advice would be appreciated.

    You CAN put 700c wheels in a MTB frame (see attachment) ...

    The problem is whether or not you will be able to adjust the brake pads OR if you will need different brake calipers -- as you may be able to tell, I changed almost everything on my Hardtail frame ... sometimes, a frame is just a frame.

    The rear spacing on MTB frames is 135mm. On most road bikes it is 130mm. On 700c Flat Bar bikes it is whatever it is!?!

    If your 700c wheel's rear hub spacing is the same (i.e., 135mm), then you can put the one wheel in the other frame, adjust the rear derailleur stops (if necessary) + attend to the brake pad & rim disparity ... done.

    If your 700c wheel's rear hub spacing is 130mm, then you will need to have the hub respaced & probably (depending on how it was respaced) the wheel redished, etc.

  4. If your 700c wheel's rear hub spacing is the same (i.e., 135mm), then you can put the one wheel in the other frame, adjust the rear derailleur stops (if necessary) + attend to the brake pad & rim disparity ... done.[LEFT]

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  5. thanks dabac
    i will try your suggestions, by the way i didn't want to alter the gearing on my flat bar road bike, i was going to take the rear wheel from my flat bar road bikem, remove the gear cluster and replace with the cluster from my mountain bike and then put the whole wheel setup back on my mountain bike then by new wheels for the flat bar road bike and put the cassette back on. i hope this doesn't sound too difficult but i'l try your idea of a road cassette.
    regards
    mel

  6. cutegirl said:

    If your 700c wheel's rear hub spacing is the same (i.e., 135mm), then you can put the one wheel in the other frame, adjust the rear derailleur stops (if necessary) + attend to the brake pad & rim disparity ... done.


    thanks cutegirl
    you make it sound so easy
    regards
    mel

  7. alfeng said:

    You CAN put 700c wheels in a MTB frame (see attachment) ...

    The problem is whether or not you will be able to adjust the brake pads OR if you will need different brake calipers -- as you may be able to tell, I changed almost everything on my Hardtail frame ... sometimes, a frame is just a frame.

    The rear spacing on MTB frames is 135mm. On most road bikes it is 130mm. On 700c Flat Bar bikes it is whatever it is!?!

    If your 700c wheel's rear hub spacing is the same (i.e., 135mm), then you can put the one wheel in the other frame, adjust the rear derailleur stops (if necessary) + attend to the brake pad & rim disparity ... done.

    If your 700c wheel's rear hub spacing is 130mm, then you will need to have the hub respaced & probably (depending on how it was respaced) the wheel redished, etc.

    thanks alfeng

    if ever everything needs altering it will make the exercise of attempting it futile.

    regards

    mel

  8. mel g said:

    ...i didn't want to alter the gearing on my flat bar road bike, i was going to take the rear wheel from my flat bar road bike, remove the gear cluster and replace with the cluster from my mountain bike and then put the whole wheel setup back on my mountain bike then by new wheels for the flat bar road bike and put the cassette back on.

    Let's see if I figured this out: You wanted to stick a road wheel, but with a MTB cassette on your Avanti MTB?
    What were you hoping to gain with that?
    I think it would help if you told us what you think the trouble is, and what you are trying to improve.

    In theory, yes, bigger wheels roll a little smoother and give a slightly higher gear ratio.
    But gear ratio isn't an issue unles you find yourself spinning out in top gear. And the tiny amount of smoother ride IMO isn't worth the hassle of dealing with the mismatched brakes.

    The road rear wheel probably has a narrower tire, but there are plenty of skinny slicks available for 26" wheels these days, so that's not really an issue either. Again, far easier to get a pair of those than to modify the brakes.

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