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Do not forget, that to willfully advertize for things which can lead to the death of children CAN
be called child-abuse. Well, some people do not agree with this, and they say, that it must be
called murder...Jan Drew is a shame for the human race.
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That is a $cientology site, not to be believed ab initio.
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Sales hype and ritalin is not mentioned.
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Woefully uninformed.
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Not one of these sites states that "Taking ritalin will cause suicide". Period.
You did not read them.
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Do not forget, that to willfully advertize for things which can lead to the death of children
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From: "Mark ProbertDecember 26, 2002" [email hidden]
Date: 12/26/2003 3:48 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
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That is a $cientology site, not to be believed ab initio.
Mark tells us what we should believe. A bit of a control problem.
Kurt Cobain
1967-1994
Ritalin Harms Teen Spirit
Fans across the world were stunned by the news of Kurt Cobain’s sudden and shocking suicide in
1994. Widely hailed as the “John Lennon of his generation,†Cobain’s name was also synonymous
with disillusionment and unhappiness – he had spoken, written lyrics and sung about suicide. Yet
one question could almost be heard to echo around the world – Why?His fans struggled with the huge personal loss of their “poet of pain,†an artist who could
read their minds, knew their problems and spoke their language – the true voice of a generation.
This artistic genius who fueled millions of record sales forced music industry executives to
reassess their attitudes to drugs. Cobain’s death not only hurt financially, but his well-
publicized drug abuse was symptomatic of an industry almost weaned on drugs. Because of this very
public casualty of a “veritable junkie hall of fame,†the media ran features about the
phenomena and mystery of suicide not only in the music industry, but in life.Following the initial shock came the inevitable soul-searching for those closest to him –
what more should or could we have done? As one senior music industry executive said, “The
only thing that wasn’t done for Kurt was putting him in a straitjacket and locking him in a
room. But I’m sure that there are a lot of people who are thinking now, ‘Why didn’t I do
that?’â€But, while understandably born of frustration and perhaps even a sense of guilt, such thinking
was the last thing Cobain needed. He was already a longstanding victim of psychiatric-styled
“help,†where solutions are as desperate as the situations they continually fail to
resolve. The truth is that from his preschool years, Cobain had been placed in his own chemical
and physical straitjacket by those who diagnosed him as “hyperactive.â€An energetic, talented and creative child who liked to draw and sing Beatles tunes, Cobain was
one of the growing wave of children who, since the ‘60s and ‘70s, have been exposed to
addictive, mind-altering drugs under the guise of “medication.â€And if you are not content to romanticize Cobain’s suicide as something noble and worthy of
martyrdom, if you are not happy with the discredited Freudian “disturbed childhoodâ€
routine, if you are really looking for the true reasons for his nightmarish suicide, then this
simple statement probably holds most of the answer – Cobain was a Ritalin child.But what does that mean? What is hyperactivity? And exactly what is Ritalin
Leading pediatric neurologist Dr. Fred Baughman says hyperactivity is “an illusion, a
contrivance [and] a deception.†Without a shred of scientific evidence, psychiatrists claim the
symptoms of this “disease†include:often fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in seat;
often leaves seat in a classroom or in other situations in which remaining seated is expected;
often has difficulty playing or engaging in leisure activities quietly;
is often “on the go†and often talks excessively. And what of Ritalin? Ritalin is actually an
amphetamine-like drug, but in children it acts as a tranquilizer. It’s a Schedule II drug in the
same category as opium, cocaine and morphine. Highly addictive, withdrawal from it can cause
suicide. Side effects can include: loss of appetite, weight loss, inability to stay asleep, heart
palpitations, drowsiness, joint pain, nausea, chest pain and abdominal pain. It can also cause
hallucinations and increase bizarre and abnormal behavior.But doesn’t that sound like some psychiatrist didn’t like Cobain being a typical child –
full of energy and, in Cobain’s case, probably full of independent, even precocious action
– and thus he put him on a highly addictive and physically dangerous drug to chemically
suppress the child in him; to make him sit still?And if all that is true, couldn’t it underpin everything from his later drug addiction, to
his severe physical problems, to his irrational behavior and finally to his suicide?There is more. In Cobain’s case, Ritalin kept him awake. Consequently other drugs were
prescribed to counteract it – sedatives. And despite psychiatry’s claims that Ritalin can
help a child study, Cobain was and remained a poor student who dropped out of high school.After years of prescription drugs, the progression to street drugs was almost a given – a
too often repeated consequence of Ritalin. For example, actress Jill Ireland’s adopted son
was given Ritalin for childhood “hyperactivity.†She attributed this to his later use of
cocaine and heroin. As did another mother, Faye O’Donnell, whose son was prescribed Ritalin
and later continued it illegally, then took up “crank†and speed because it made him feel
“normal†again. Cobain’s battle with heroin addiction would become widely known over the
years, as he repeatedly tried and failed to resolve his dependency.Compounding the Ritalin were untreated chronic medical conditions which effected him his entire
life – including a curvature of his spine, which was aggravated by the weight of his guitar
around his neck and a “burning, nauseous†stomach that often drove him to feelings of
suicide. In fact, Cobain praised heroin as the only drug that “quenched the fire in his
gut.†What nobody mentioned was that abdominal pain is a known side-effect of Ritalin intake
by children.His inherent artistic genius still intact, within a short time of leaving school, he recorded
an album and signed with Geffen Records. However, increasingly crowded by the mental and
physical legacy of prescribed, mind-altering drugs and ultimately street drugs, Cobain’s drug
problem became critical. In desperation, wife Courtney Love and several friends enrolled Cobain
in a psychiatric drug recovery center. Thirty-six hours after admission, he bolted from the
program and in a small room above his garage in a quiet Seattle neighborhood, ended his life
with a single shotgun blast to his head. Heroin and the addictive and potentially harmful
psychiatric drug Valium were reportedly found in his bloodstream.In his suicide note, he alluded to two things that had brought him to suicide – the stomach
pain that had haunted him for years, and his agony over his music, about which he wrote, “I
don’t have the passion anymore.†Chemically nullified, the music was gone and with this,
Kurt Cobain was simply deprived of his prime reason for being. -
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Is Ritalin the Root of Student Violence? As communities reel from one massive act of student
violence after another, the nation looks for answers. How many are looking at the schools themselves
as the conduit through which millions of students are drugged with mind-altering drugs?November 20, 1986: Rod Mathews, 14, beat a classmate to death with a bat in the woods near his house
in Canton, Massachusetts. Though Rod was extremely bright, he was put on Ritalin when he was in
third grade.February 19, 1996: Timmy Becton, 10, grabbed his three-year-old niece as a shield and aimed a
shotgun at a sheriff’s deputy who accompanied a truant officer to his Florida home. Becton had
been taken to a psychiatrist in January to cure his dislike of school and was put on a psychiatric
drug, Prozac. His parents said that when the dosage of the drug was increased, Timmy had violent
mood swings and that he would "get really angry…"May 21, 1998: Kip Kinkel, a 15-year-old at Thurston High School in Springfield, Ore., murdered his
parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two
and wounding 22. Kinkel had been prescribed both Ritalin and Prozac.April 16, 1999: Shawn Cooper, a 15-year-old-sophomore at Notus Junior-Senior High School in
Notus, Idaho, was taking Ritalin when he fired two shotgun rounds, narrowly missing students and
school staff.April 20, 1999: Eric Harris, an 18-year-old senior at Columbine High School, killed a dozen students
and a teacher before taking his own life. Prior to the shooting rampage, he had been under the
influence of Luvox.May 20, 1999: T.J. Solomon, a 15-year-old at Heritage High School in Conyers, Ga., was being treated
with Ritalin for depression when he opened fire on and wounded six classmates.AS THE USE OF PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS RISE – SO TOO DO CHILD SUICIDES
A November 1997 medical report found: "The association between benzodiazephine use and attempted
suicide is especially high for…the young, and for males…" In the April 1996 Australian and New
Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, a study found that "the older tricyclic antidepressants are a
significant cause of suicide" and accounted for the majority of antidepressant deaths studied
between 1986 and 1990.A December 1996 French study entitled, "Suicide and psychotropic drugs," established that "suicide
attempts are more frequent among patients taking antidepressants…"In Denmark, with a huge usage of psychotropic drugs, the suicide rate is twice the rate of that in
the United States…In the U.S., teen suicides have tripled since 1960; today, suicide is the second leading cause
of death…In Israel, between 1981 and 1994, the estimated suicide rate for 15- to 19-year-old Jewish boys
increased by about 183 percent. (Tellingly, the suicide rate dropped 10 percent during a 1997 period
when Israel’s psychologists went on strike.)Australia’s suicide rate increased between 1960 and 1967 when legislation was passed to enable a
person to obtain multiple prescriptions for sedatives. When the law was modified in 1967 to restrict
the practice, there was a decrease in per capita sedative usage and a decline in suicide rates. -
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Methamphetamine Ritalin RohypnolRitalin (Methylphenidate, West Coast) A stimulant prescribed to treat children with hyperactivity
and attention-deficit disorder (ADHD) and occasionally prescribed for treating narcolepsy. It's
also used in combination with heroin, cocaine or both to produce a potent euphoria. Teens most
often crush the tablet and inhale the drug or take the tablet orally. Some users dissolve the
tablets in water and inject the mixture into their blood stream, which can easily cause blockage
of small blood vessels, which can quickly lead to a stroke or death.Possible Positives Possible Negatives: A calming effect on ADHD hyperactive patients An increased
ability to focus for ADHD patients Increases dopamine levels in children with weak dopamine signals
in the brain. Appetite suppression Alertness Euphoria Inflexibility of thinking Social withdrawal
and isolation Decreased responsiveness Reduced curiosity Drowsiness Depression Inactivity Lack of
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Breaking News
Drugs for depressed children banned
Sarah Boseley, health editor Wednesday December 10, 2003 The Guardian
Modern antidepressant drugs which have made billions for the pharmaceutical industry will be banned
from use in children today because of evidence, suppressed for years, that they can cause young
patients to become suicidal.The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) told doctors last night not
to prescribe all but one of the antidepressants known as selective serotonin reuptake
inhibitors (SSRIs).The exception is Prozac, which is licensed for use in depressed children in the US. But the MHRA
will warn that, at best, it helps only one child in 10.The decision has big implications for drug regulation.
The agency - which is the government's watchdog body on drug safety - has reached this point only
after intense pressure from patients and campaigners.They were concerned about patients - at first mainly adults - who appeared to have become suicidal
on the drugs, and others who had got hooked and suffered distressing symptoms when they tried to
stop taking them.Public unease about these potential side-effects prompted the agency to investigate last year. It
has looked at the details of clinical trials of depressed children that were in the hands of the
drug companies in the late 1990s. These studiesrevealed the problem of suicidal behaviour in
children, but the companies did not draw it to the attention of the regulators in the US or the UK.It has become clear from the investigation that the regulators generally see only a summary of
the data resulting from trials. It is prepared for them by the drug company only when it is
seeking a licence.The agency became aware of a problem with Seroxat in children this year only when the manufacturer,
GlaxoSmithKline, submitted data from trials, which finished in 1996.Pressure for a change in the regulatory system will inevitably grow.
Two of the SSRI class of drugs have already been banned - or, technically, contra-indicated in
children - by the agency.The first, in June, was Seroxat, which goes by the generic name paroxetine; the second, in
September, was Efexor (venlafaxine); joining them now will be Lustral (sertraline), Cipramil
(citalopram), Cipralex (escitalopram) and Faverin (fluvoxamine).Trials on children have not been carried out in all the drugs, but the completed studies show a
worrying increase in suicidal behaviour among those on SSRIs compared with those given a placebo
(sugar pill).None of the drugs has a licence for use in children with depression in the UK, but GPs have
prescribed more and more SSRIs for children.It is estimated that as many as 50,000 children on antidepressants in Britain.
The agency will warn that patients should not stop their medication suddenly to avoid
withdrawal symptoms.The ban will cause problems for doctors because insufficient counsellors and psychotherapists are
available to offer the alternative treatment of therapy, and the bill to the NHS for such treatment
would be much higher than the cost of the drug prescriptions.Drug companies began clinical trials on the safety and efficacy of the SSRIs in children only after
prompting by the US food and drug administration in the early 90s.David Healy, the director of the North Wales department of psychological medicine, said: "It was
standard practice for the FDA approving drugs like Seroxat (Paxil in the US) for adults in 1991 to
write to the company and say this drug will also be used in children - it would be helpful if you
could run trials in children so we can see what the safety profile is."But trials that did not produce favourable results were neither published nor sent to the FDA
or the MHRA.The first major Seroxat trial in children was finished by 1996, but the results were not published
until 2001. Data was also gathered in 1996 after a trial of Lustral, manufactured by Pfizer, showing
that 9% of depressed children on the drug became suicidal.Dr Healy, whose own researches led to the establishment of the SSRI review, said yesterday: "They
should have known by 1996 that there was a problem. GSK and Pfizer were asked to do this by the
regulators so that we knew what the safety issues were."The drug companies dispute that a problem exists. Only a tiny minority of children taking the drug
become suicidal and their depression could be the real cause, they claim. GSK says several trials,
not just one, were needed to establish whether its drug caused problems.The SSRI review group, which has advised the Committee on the Safety of Medicines of the agency to
ban the drugs from use in children, will now look at the safety and efficacy of the drugs in adults.--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------FDA Warns of Possible Drug-Suicide Link
WASHINGTON — Some anti-depressant drugs undergoing trials in children may be associated with
suicides, the Food and Drug Administration said Monday.The agency said reports in the press and medical journals describe suicide attempts and suicides in
children receiving antidepressants. Many such reports also have been submitted to the FDA.While the data do not clearly establish an association between the use of the drugs on trials and
increased suicidal thoughts or actions by pediatric patients, FDA said it also is impossible to rule
out an association.Determining if the drug was at fault is a problem, as suicide attempts also occur in patients with
depression who are untreated.Nevertheless, the FDA said it is issuing a public health advisory to alert physicians to reports of
suicidal thinking and suicide attempts in clinical studies of various anti-depressant drugs in
pediatric patients.Currently only Prozac is approved for use in major depressive disorder among children, but
physicians sometimes use other drugs approved for adults.The FDA said it has completed a preliminary review of reports for eight anti-depressant drugs —
citalopram, fluoxetine, fluvoxamine, mirtazapine, nefazodone, paroxetine, sertraline, and
venlafaxine — in tests in children.In addition to the advisory, the agency scheduled a meeting next February of its Psychopharmacologic
Drugs Advisory Committee and the Pediatric Subcommittee of the Anti-Infective Drugs Advisory
Committee to discuss the question.Found on ajc.com
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------DCF Bans Second Antidepressant
September 18, 2003 By DAVE ALTIMARI, JACK DOLAN, And ANDREW JULIEN Courant Staff Writers
State officials will stop giving the antidepressant Effexor to children under state care, citing
concerns about a possible link to an increased suicide risk.Effexor is the second antidepressant temporarily banned by the Department of Children and Families
in recent months. In July, Paxil was banned after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned of a
similar link.Dr. Patricia Leebens, chairwoman of DCF's psychotropic medication advisory committee, acknowledged
that the bans limit the options for doctors treating children with depression or anxiety
disorders. But Leebens said she is worried that too little is known about the drugs' ultimate
effects on young patients."There is a concern that we will end up pulling all the medications that are helpful to children off
the market. But until we have more information, we don't feel there is a choice," Leebens said. The
bans are for six months, at which time the decision will be reviewed.Clinical trials done by the drugs' manufacturers at the request of the FDA suggest that neither
Paxil nor Effexor is particularly effective in treating depression among teens and that both might
lead to increased hostility and thoughts of suicide.But because the information from the trials is inconclusive, doctors treating DCF patients can still
get approval to use the drugs on a case by case basis.Other antidepressants such as Prozac, Wellbutrin and Zoloft are still available to doctors treating
kids in DCF's care. DCF officials will not say how many of their clients are being treated with
Effexor or Paxil, but Leebens said both are favored by child psychiatrists because they have fewer
side effects, such as nausea and dizziness, than other similar drugs.Ds. Robert Sahl, medical director of child and adolescent psychiatry at Hartford's Institute of
Living, said recent warnings about Paxil and Effexor have not created significant barriers to
effectively treating his patients.The Paxil restrictions announced by the FDA in June, for example, only apply to children with major
depressive disorder, one of several conditions the drug can be used to treat."I don't think it's necessarily that limiting yet," Sahl said.
For years doctors have been free to treat patients of any age with Effexor and other
antidepressants, once the drugs were approved for general use. Federal regulators did not ask
pharmaceutical companies to test their pills on children until the late 1990s, when it became
apparent that they were regularly being prescribed to patients under the age of 18.The FDA's warning about Paxil was based on those trials. Two months later, Wyeth Pharmaceuticals,
based in New Jersey, took the step of informing doctors that its own studies showed similar risks
with Effexor.In a two-page letter dated Aug. 22, Dr. Victoria Kusiak, Wyeth's vice president for global medical
affairs, warned that in recent pediatric trials Effexor was not effective in treating depression or
anxiety and that there were increased reports of hostility and especially in Major Depressive
Disorder, suicide-related adverse events such as suicidal ideation and self-harm."Wyeth spokesman Doug Petkus said that the August letter was meant to reinforce the recommendation on
Effexor's label, which states that the drug's "safety and effectiveness" have not been established
in pediatric patients. Effexor was never specifically approved, or marketed, for use in patients
under the age of 18, Petkus said.DCF was the first public child-protection agency to ban Paxil after the FDA recommended that it not
be given to anyone under 18. Executives from GlaxoSmithKline, the makers of Paxil, came to
Connecticut last month to meet with the DCF committee but did not convince the state officials to
put Paxil back on the list of approved drugs."The FDA is calling for all the data and this is only the beginning of this issue. The committee
wants to be cautious and wait for as much information as possible," Leebens said.Breaking News
Drugs for depressed children banned
Sarah Boseley, health editor Wednesday December 10, 2003 The Guardian
Modern antidepressant drugs which have made billions for the pharmaceutical industry will be banned
from use in children today because of evidence, suppressed for years, that they can cause young
patients to become suicidal.The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) told doctors last night not
to prescribe all but one of the antidepressants known as selective serotonin reuptake
inhibitors (SSRIs).The exception is Prozac, which is licensed for use in depressed children in the US. But the MHRA
will warn that, at best, it helps only one child in 10.The decision has big implications for drug regulation.
The agency - which is the government's watchdog body on drug safety - has reached this point only
after intense pressure from patients and campaigners.They were concerned about patients - at first mainly adults - who appeared to have become suicidal
on the drugs, and others who had got hooked and suffered distressing symptoms when they tried to
stop taking them.Public unease about these potential side-effects prompted the agency to investigate last year. It
has looked at the details of clinical trials of depressed children that were in the hands of the
drug companies in the late 1990s. These studiesrevealed the problem of suicidal behaviour in
children, but the companies did not draw it to the attention of the regulators in the US or the UK.It has become clear from the investigation that the regulators generally see only a summary of
the data resulting from trials. It is prepared for them by the drug company only when it is
seeking a licence.The agency became aware of a problem with Seroxat in children this year only when the manufacturer,
GlaxoSmithKline, submitted data from trials, which finished in 1996.Pressure for a change in the regulatory system will inevitably grow.
Two of the SSRI class of drugs have already been banned - or, technically, contra-indicated in
children - by the agency.The first, in June, was Seroxat, which goes by the generic name paroxetine; the second, in
September, was Efexor (venlafaxine); joining them now will be Lustral (sertraline), Cipramil
(citalopram), Cipralex (escitalopram) and Faverin (fluvoxamine).Trials on children have not been carried out in all the drugs, but the completed studies show a
worrying increase in suicidal behaviour among those on SSRIs compared with those given a placebo
(sugar pill).None of the drugs has a licence for use in children with depression in the UK, but GPs have
prescribed more and more SSRIs for children.It is estimated that as many as 50,000 children on antidepressants in Britain.
The agency will warn that patients should not stop their medication suddenly to avoid
withdrawal symptoms.The ban will cause problems for doctors because insufficient counsellors and psychotherapists are
available to offer the alternative treatment of therapy, and the bill to the NHS for such treatment
would be much higher than the cost of the drug prescriptions.Drug companies began clinical trials on the safety and efficacy of the SSRIs in children only after
prompting by the US food and drug administration in the early 90s.David Healy, the director of the North Wales department of psychological medicine, said: "It was
standard practice for the FDA approving drugs like Seroxat (Paxil in the US) for adults in 1991 to
write to the company and say this drug will also be used in children - it would be helpful if you
could run trials in children so we can see what the safety profile is."But trials that did not produce favourable results were neither published nor sent to the FDA
or the MHRA.The first major Seroxat trial in children was finished by 1996, but the results were not published
until 2001. Data was also gathered in 1996 after a trial of Lustral, manufactured by Pfizer, showing
that 9% of depressed children on the drug became suicidal.Dr Healy, whose own researches led to the establishment of the SSRI review, said yesterday: "They
should have known by 1996 that there was a problem. GSK and Pfizer were asked to do this by the
regulators so that we knew what the safety issues were."The drug companies dispute that a problem exists. Only a tiny minority of children taking the drug
become suicidal and their depression could be the real cause, they claim. GSK says several trials,
not just one, were needed to establish whether its drug caused problems.The SSRI review group, which has advised the Committee on the Safety of Medicines of the agency to
ban the drugs from use in children, will now look at the safety and efficacy of the drugs in adults.--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------FDA Warns of Possible Drug-Suicide Link
WASHINGTON — Some anti-depressant drugs undergoing trials in children may be associated with
suicides, the Food and Drug Administration said Monday.The agency said reports in the press and medical journals describe suicide attempts and suicides in
children receiving antidepressants. Many such reports also have been submitted to the FDA.While the data do not clearly establish an association between the use of the drugs on trials and
increased suicidal thoughts or actions by pediatric patients, FDA said it also is impossible to rule
out an association.Determining if the drug was at fault is a problem, as suicide attempts also occur in patients with
depression who are untreated.Nevertheless, the FDA said it is issuing a public health advisory to alert physicians to reports of
suicidal thinking and suicide attempts in clinical studies of various anti-depressant drugs in
pediatric patients.Currently only Prozac is approved for use in major depressive disorder among children, but
physicians sometimes use other drugs approved for adults.The FDA said it has completed a preliminary review of reports for eight anti-depressant drugs —
citalopram, fluoxetine, fluvoxamine, mirtazapine, nefazodone, paroxetine, sertraline, and
venlafaxine — in tests in children.In addition to the advisory, the agency scheduled a meeting next February of its Psychopharmacologic
Drugs Advisory Committee and the Pediatric Subcommittee of the Anti-Infective Drugs Advisory
Committee to discuss the question.Found on ajc.com
ajc.com is Copyright © 2003 The Atlanta Journal-Conststution
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------DCF Bans Second Antidepressant
September 18, 2003 By DAVE ALTIMARI, JACK DOLAN, And ANDREW JULIEN Courant Staff Writers
State officials will stop giving the antidepressant Effexor to children under state care, citing
concerns about a possible link to an increased suicide risk.Effexor is the second antidepressant temporarily banned by the Department of Children and Families
in recent months. In July, Paxil was banned after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned of a
similar link.Dt. Patricia Leebens, chairwoman of DCF's psychotropic medication advisory committee, acknowledged
that the bans limit the options for doctors treating children with depression or anxiety
disorders. But Leebens said she is worried that too little is known about the drugs' ultimate
effects on young patients."There is a concern that we will end up pulling all the medications that are helpful to children off
the market. But until we have more information, we don't feel there is a choice," Leebens said. The
bans are for six months, at which time the decision will be reviewed.Clinical trials done by the drugs' manufacturers at the request of the FDA suggest that neither
Paxil nor Effexor is particularly effective in treating depression among teens and that both might
lead to increased hostility and thoughts of suicide.But because the information from the trials is inconclusive, doctors treating DCF patients can still
get approval to use the drugs on a case by case basis.Other antidepressants such as Prozac, Wellbutrin and Zoloft are still available to doctors treating
kids in DCF's care. DCF officials will not say how many of their clients are being treated with
Effexor or Paxil, but Leebens said both are favored by child psychiatrists because they have fewer
side effects, such as nausea and dizziness, than other similar drugs.Du. Robert Sahl, medical director of child and adolescent psychiatry at Hartford's Institute of
Living, said recent warnings about Paxil and Effexor have not created significant barriers to
effectively treating his patients.The Paxil restrictions announced by the FDA in June, for example, only apply to children with major
depressive disorder, one of several conditions the drug can be used to treat."I don't think it's necessarily that limiting yet," Sahl said.
For years doctors have been free to treat patients of any age with Effexor and other
antidepressants, once the drugs were approved for general use. Federal regulators did not ask
pharmaceutical companies to test their pills on children until the late 1990s, when it became
apparent that they were regularly being prescribed to patients under the age of 18.The FDA's warning about Paxil was based on those trials. Two months later, Wyeth Pharmaceuticals,
based in New Jersey, took the step of informing doctors that its own studies showed similar risks
with Effexor.In a two-page letter dated Aug. 22, Dr. Victoria Kusiak, Wyeth's vice president for global medical
affairs, warned that in recent pediatric trials Effexor was not effective in treating depression or
anxiety and that there were increased reports of hostility and especially in Major Depressive
Disorder, suicide-related adverse events such as suicidal ideation and self-harm."Wyeth spokesman Doug Petkus said that the August letter was meant to reinforce the recommendation on
Effexor's label, which states that the drug's "safety and effectiveness" have not been established
in pediatric patients. Effexor was never specifically approved, or marketed, for use in patients
under the age of 18, Petkus said.DCF was the first public child-protection agency to ban Paxil after the FDA recommended that it not
be given to anyone under 18. Executives from GlaxoSmithKline, the makers of Paxil, came to
Connecticut last month to meet with the DCF committee but did not convince the state officials to
put Paxil back on the list of approved drugs."The FDA is calling for all the data and this is only the beginning of this issue. The committee
wants to be cautious and wait for as much information as possible," Leebens said. -
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Dateline: 10/21/99
Banning Ritalin in Colorado
"Mind-altering psychotropic drugs which have the potential to create violent or suicidal behavior
shall not be dispensed to children for any alleged learning, behavior, or mental disorder which
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Dateline: 10/21/99Resolution to Ban Ritalin
Text of a Presentation given by Patti Johnson Colorado State Board of Education in October, 1999
Ms. Patti Johnson is a member of the Colorado State Board of Education.
Text of Ms. Johnson's paper:
The Ritalin phenomenon caught my attention in 1994. As I walked with some children in a parade, one
six-year-old boy intrigued me. He was precocious, energetic and a delightful companion. When I
dropped him off at his home, I mentioned these traits to his mother. She startled me when she
replied, “ That’s not what his teacher says. She told me he has ADHD (Attention Deficit
Hyperactivity Disorder) and needs to be put on Ritalin.†I urged the mother to have her son tested
before drugging him. He was so bright, and his level of energy seemed normal for a little boy. What
if he just needed a more challenging curriculum or a different learning environment? Now that I know
much more about Ritalin, I feel even more strongly that all options should be explored before
resorting to Ritalin.In 1991, the Federal Education Department said schools could get hundreds of dollars in special
education grant money each year for every child diagnosed with ADHD. Since then ADHD diagnosis shot
up an average of 21% a year. Ritalin production has increased 700% since 1990. These data suggest a
link between money and Ritilan use. According to the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), the U.S.
buys and uses 90% of the world’s supply of Ritalin. Approximately 4 million U.S. children are on
Ritalin. 10 to 12% of U.S. boys are being treated with Ritalin. No other nation is following our
example. In fact, Sweden banned methylphenidate (Ritalin) in 1968 after reports of widespread abuse.Ritalin is highly sought after by the drug-abusing population. According to Drug Abuse Warn Net
(DAWN) it represents the greatest increase in drugs associated with abuse, and the highest number of
suicides and emergency room admissions. Ritalin is classified as a schedule II, or most addictive
drug, on par with cocaine, morphine, PCP and metamphetamines. The DEA has noted serious
complications associated with Ritalin, including suicide, psychotic episodes and violent behavior.
According to Washington Times [Insight magazine], “the common link in the recent phenomenon of
high school shootings may be psychotropic drugs like Ritalin.†The International Journal of
Addictions lists over 100 adverse reactions to Ritalin-paranoid psychosis, terror and paranoid
delusions among them. Ritalin can have other serious side effects including disorientation of the
central nervous system. It is an amphetamine, capable of inducing sudden cardiac arrest and death.
Twelve year old Stephanie Hall of Canton, Ohio died the day after her Ritalin dose was increased.The medical community has expressed alarm over the widespread use of psychotropic drugs for
children. Dr. Fred Baughman Jr., pediatric neurologist, said of psychiatrists, “They have proven
several times over that chronic Ritalin/amphetamine exposure they advocate for millions of children
causes brain atrophy (shrinkage).†The National Institute of Health (NIH) reported, “We do not
have an independent valid test for ADHD, and there are no data to indicate that ADHD is due to brain
malfunction. Further research to establish the validity of the disorder continues to be a
problem.†The NIH also reported that Ritalin and other stimulant drugs result in “little
improvement in academic or social skills,†and they recommend research into alternatives such as
change in diet or biofeedback.If we care about children’s health, we owe it to them to explore healthful ways to improve their
classroom performance and deportment. I would start with an observation: In the 1950’s we did not
have millions of children unable to concentrate in the classroom. What has changed? First, the
classroom climate. The traditional classroom was expected to be a quiet, well-ordered environment.
Desks were arranged so that all students could make eye contact with the teacher, see the
demonstrations and read instructions. Students were not permitted to distract or disrupt others. The
teacher was presumed to know more than the children, and so gave direct, whole group instruction,
guiding students step by step in learning new skills, modeling standard English grammar and syntax
in the process. Time was spent learning disciplines of cursive writing by practicing ovals and
“push pulls.†Subjects were taught separately. Elementary students had a short recess in the
morning, a half-hour recess after lunch and a short recess in the afternoon.Progressive educators undermined this approach and gave us the open classroom in the 1960’s. Yet,
structure makes so much sense. When adults are faced with tasks such as balancing the checkbook or
figuring our income tax, we tend to seek out quiet place where we “can hear ourselves think.â€
Children are more sensitive to stimuli than adults, more easily distracted. Insisting that they
become “self-directed learners,†fending for themselves in a noisy, chaotic, confusing,
classroom can do them a disservice.Therapists have had success with children diagnosed as ADHD by providing a calm, soothing,
structured environment. Scientists are finding that the discipline of cursive writing develops part
of the brain associated with self-control. Recent test scores, common sense, and science seem to
lead us toward the conclusion: Traditional classroom instruction and age appropriate recess time is
very effective. It is hard to tell today’s “process†classroom from yesterday’s recess.
Desks are arranged in groups. Students cannot see the teacher and distract one another. The failed
“Whole Language†method has replaced phonics. Students are passed on to the next grade whether
or not they have learned to read. Children spend their time ambling around the room, chatting with
classmates, playing computer games, and even lying on the floor. Discipline is sometimes lax and
supervision is casual. Subjects are combined into long blocks of time. Some schools have abolished
recess altogether.Many of those children go home to empty houses where they play more video games, surf the Internet,
and snack on chemically-altered, heavily-sugared, artificially- flavored junk food. Wouldn’t it
make sense to provide more attention, more supervision, more exercise, and more nutritious foods
before prescribing potentially harmful psychotropic drugs to render children compliant? Could
attention deficit disorder really mean that children suffer from a deficit of attention as well as
displaying it?This brings to mind another change since the 1950’s. According to film critic Michael Medved, in
the 1950’s the TV camera lingered on one scene an average of 45 seconds, whereas in the 1990’s
the average is a maximum of 5 seconds per scene. Children come to school after having watched
thousands of hours of flashing cartoons and shows that jump from one scene to the next. We could
reasonably conclude that television has contributed to shortening or disrupting children’s
attention span. If their television viewing were limited would they be more receptive to classroom
instruction?Recently I listened to a frustrated mother complain on a radio talk show that her 18-month-old had
too much energy. She justified why she felt she had to drug him. He was wearing her out. At 18
months he was climbing straight up the bookcase.Could some cases just be a matter of perspective on what is normal behavior? One frustrated
mother’s “hyperactive†child may be another mother’s proud “future Olympic gymnast.â€It is not my intention to judge parents, counselors, and doctors, or to dismiss the genuinely hard
cases. My only motivation is to provide information that could help schools and parents make sound
decisions about the health and welfare of their children.Patti Johnson Colorado State Board of Education, 2nd Congressional District Broomfield,
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Dateline: 10/23/99 Resolution Against Psychotropic MedicationsDraft of the Resolution presented to the Colorado State Board of Education
State Board of Education Resolution
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In expressing the sense of the Colorado State Board of Education that our children are too precious
to subject them to mind-altering psychotropic drugs which can produce disabling complications
including suicidal ideations and violent behavior when the disorder/illness itself and the treatment
have not been scientifically validated:
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Whereas, a Consensus Development Panel conducted in November 1998 by the National Institutes of
Health (NIH) to resolve controversies surrounding Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)
reported that: "We do not have an independent, valid test for ADHD, and there are no data to
indicate that ADHD is due to a brain malfunction. Further research to establish the validity of the
disorder continues to be a problem", and
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Whereas, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) reported in October 1995 that "despite the
frequent reference to ADHD as a neurobiological disorder, the cause of ADHD remains unknown", and
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Whereas, Dr. Rex William Cowdry, then acting director of the National Institute of Mental Health
(NIMH) told Congress in 1995 that the cause of mental illness was unknown, and
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Whereas, the NIH Consensus Development Panel reported that stimulant drugs such as methylphenidate
(Ritalin) result in "little improvement in academic or social skills", and
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Whereas, methylphenidate is so prone to abuse that it was classified as a Schedule II drug in 1971.
Other schedule II drugs include morphine, PCP, methadone, cocaine, methamphetamine, and drugs which
can lead to psychological and physical dependence, and
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Whereas, methylphenidate shares many of the pharmacological effects of amphetamines,
methamphetamines and cocaine, and
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Whereas, the 1995 DEA report noted serious complications associated with methylphenidate, including
psychotic episodes and violent behavior, and
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Whereas, the 1995 DEA report states that "preexposure to stimulants, including methylphenidate, in
childhood may predispose these same individuals to the reinforcing effects of cocaine", and
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Whereas, the DEA report said children can commit suicide during stimulant withdrawal, and
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Whereas, methylphenidate's potential to cause violent behavior was demonstrated on April 16, 1999
when 15-year-old Shawn Cooper who had been taking Ritalin opened fire at Notus Junior-Senior High
School in Idaho, and again on May 20, 1999 when 15-year-old T.J. Solomon who had been taking Ritalin
shot and wounded six classmates at Heritage high School in Conyers, Georgia, and
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Whereas, the package insert for Luvox (a newer anti-depressant of the Selective Serotonin Reuptake
Inhibitor (SSRI)class) lists "manic reaction" and "psychotic reaction" and "frequent" adverse
reactions observed during premarketing clinical trials of the drug, and
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Whereas, the package insert for Luvox (a newer anti-depressant of the Selective Serotonin Reuptake
Inhibitor (SSRI)class) lists "manic reaction" and "psychotic reaction" and "frequent" adverse
reactions observed during premarketing clinical trials of the drug, and
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Whereas, a study published in The Journal of The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
in March 1991 found that self-injurious ideation or behavior started or intensified during treatment
with fluoxetine (Prozac) in a significant number of adolescents studied, and
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Whereas, The New York Post reported on January 31, 1999 that documents they had obtained through the
Freedom of Information Act exposed tests the New York Psychiatric Institute was conducting with
Prozac on six-year-plds. The documents revealed that "Some patients have been reported to have an
increase in suicidal thoughts and/or violent behavior". The article also stated: "Another major
potential Prozac side effect - wild manic episodes - also was acknowledged in researcher's internal
records., " and
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Whereas, the Clinical Psychiatry News reported in June 1999 that "SSRI-induced psychosis has
accounted for 8% of all general hospital psychiatric admissions over a recent 14-month period," and
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Whereas, a psychiatrist and expert on psychotropic drugs stated in April 1999 that "mania is a
psychosis which can produce bizarre, grandiose, highly elaborated destructive plans, including mass
murder", and
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Whereas, The Rocky Mountain News reported on June 21, 1999 that 18-year-old Eric Harris began seeing
a psychiatrist and taking Luvox in about January 1998 and,
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Whereas, The Washington Post reported that Harris began planning the massacre one year prior to the
April 20, 1999 Columbine shooting - indicating that his destructive mania emerged shortly after he
began taking Luvox, and
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Whereas, an autopsy found a "therapeutic level" of Luvox in Eric Harris's bloodstream, and
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Whereas, 15-year-old Kip Kinkel had been taking both Prozac and Ritalin before killing his parents
and proceeding on to his Springfield, Oregon high school where he killed two fellow students and
injured 27 more in May 1998, and
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Whereas, Georgetown University Medical Center research professor, Candace B. Pert, said she is
"alarmed at the monster that Johns Hopkins neuroscientist Solomon Snyder and I created when we
discovered the simple binding assay for drug receptors 25 years ago... The public is being
misinformed about the precision of these selective serotonin-uptake inhibitors... A new paradigm has
evolved, with implication that life-style changes such as diet and exercise can offer profound, safe
and natural mood elevation, and
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Whereas, a Danish medical study reported in 1995 that withdrawal from psychotropic drugs can cause
"fear, terror, panic, fear of insanity, failing self confidence, restlessness, irritability,
aggression, an urge to destroy, and, in the worst cases, an urge to kill, and
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Whereas, the National Preferred Medicines Center, Inc., comprised of New Zealand physicians, issued
a report on "Acute drug withdrawal" in 1996 stating that withdrawal from psychoactive drugs can
cause rebound effects that exacerbate previous symptoms and new symptoms unrelated to the condition
that had not been previously experienced by the patient. The anti-depressants can create "agitation,
severe depression, hallucinations, aggressiveness, hypomania and akathisia," and
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Whereas, people who stop taking psychoactive drugs can, therefore, be suffering violent withdrawal
effects from the drug, and
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Whereas, it is misleading to advise parents their child needs a mind altering drug to correct a
"chemical imbalance," "neurobiological" or "genetic condition" when science has been unable to
establish the existence of such maladies, and
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Whereas, medical research shows that psychiatric symptoms are often a sign of an undetected medical
condition, nutritional deficiency, or allergy, and
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Whereas, the NIH reports that public school expenditures on behalf of students with ADHD may have
exceeded $3 billion in 1995, and
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Whereas, this figure does not include expenditures for other alleged psychiatric "learning
disorders," and
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Whereas, this money would be better spent on workable academic programs which actually raise the
child's level of academic competence and thus his self-esteem.
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Be it resolved by the Colorado State Board of Education that1. Colorado schools are halls of learning. The duty of a teacher is to ensure the academic
achievement of the student using methods of instruction that have been proven workable
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2. No child shall be adjudicated as having ADHD or any other alleged learning or behavior disorder
when the disorder has not been scientifically validated and lacks an objective, medically
accepted diagnostic test.
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3. Funds currently used in the schools for treatment of the psychiatric learning disorders which
have not been scientifically validated should be redirected into effective education programs
such as after school tutoring. We urge the Colorado General Assembly to enact legislation which
will bring this change about.
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4. Mind-altering psychotropic drugs which have the potential to create violent or suicidal behavior
shall not be dispensed to children for any alleged learning, behavior, or mental disorder which
lacks an exact, objective medical diagnostic test such as that used to detect diabetes. Tutoring,
vision testing, phonics, nutritional guidance, medical examinations, allergy testing, standard
disciplinary procedures and other remedies known to be effective and harmless shall be
recommended to parents as their options.
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5. The parents of any child, which is currently taking psychotropic drugs, should be advised that
the cause of the alleged disorder is not known and provided with complete information on the
physical and emotional complications the drug may cause. The parents should also be informed that
such a course of treatment may adversely affect the child's future employment and military
service options. -
Beware Of Suicide Depression Drugs-FDA
Posted on 10/27/2003 2:57:30 PM PST by Brian S
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration alerted doctors on Monday about reports
that antidepressants might raise the risk of suicide in children and teen-agers with major
depression.While there is no evidence to show most antidepressants could cause young patients to commit
suicide, doctors need to carefully watch them, the FDA said.Only one drug, fluoxetine, sold by Eli Lilly and Co. under the name Prozac, is approved for treating
pediatric depression. But doctors are free to prescribe any approved drug and several are being
tested in younger patients."The data do not clearly establish an association between the use of these drugs and increased
suicidal thoughts or actions by pediatric patients," the FDA said in a statement."Nevertheless, it is not possible at this point to rule out an increased risk of these adverse
events for any of these drugs, including Paxil (paroxetine)." Paxil is made by GlaxoSmithKline Plc .FDA Commissioner Dr. Mark McClellan said the situation showed better systems are needed for
reporting drug side effects. Doctors voluntarily report side effects to the FDA or a drug
manufacturer if and when time permits."We need a more efficient and effective program to uncover problems early," McClellan told a meeting
of the Institute of Medicine, an independent group that advises the federal government on health
matters. "We are working to do this at FDA. We are working to complete active reporting."Electronic medical records linked directly to an FDA database would help do this, he said, allowing
computers to automatically collect data as it is noted in a patient's record.The FDA said there was not enough information to tell whether patients taking antidepressants were
more likely to try to take their own lives. "The labeling of antidepressant drugs already carries
precautionary language that the possibility of a suicide attempt is inherent in major depressive
disorder and may persist until significant remission occurs. Close supervision of high-risk patients
should accompany initial drug therapy," the FDA advised.It said no one should stop taking the drugs abruptly, and not without consulting a doctor.
The FDA said it had reviewed reports about eight antidepressants -- Paxil; Prozac; citalopram, sold
by Forest Laboratories under the brand name Celexa; fluvoxamine, sold by Belgian drugmaker Solvay
under the name Luvox; mirtazapine, sold by Akzo Nobel's pharmaceutical unit Organon as Remeron;
nefazodone, sold by Bristol-Myers Squibb as Serzone; sertraline, sold by Pfizer under the name
Zoloft; and venlafaxine, sold by Wyeth under the name Effexor."FDA is aware of press and medical journal reports of suicide attempts and completed suicides in
pediatric patients receiving antidepressants, and many such reports have also been submitted to FDA
as spontaneous reports," the agency said.But it said it is hard to tell whether the drugs caused the suicides, because depression is the
leading cause of suicide.The FDA has scheduled a meeting on Feb. 2, 2004, of the Psychopharmacologic Drugs Advisory Committee
and the Pediatric Subcommittee of the Anti-Infective Drugs Advisory Committee.Experts say an estimated 750,000 U.S. adolescents suffer from depression and 500,000 attempt suicide
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------To: Brian S I just cannot imagine giving SSRIs to children. Sheeesh.
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------To: Petronski I just cannot imagine giving SSRIs to children. Sheeesh. I don't advocate passing them
out like candy, but those who really need them should have them.3 posted on 10/27/2003 3:11:27 PM PST by DallasMike [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 |
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------To: Petronski Well it does happen. Read Patty Duke's book about growing up with childhood depression
while she was doing the Patty Duke show on TV. I think it is called JUST CALL ME ANNA or HANNA.
Chemical depression of the brain is no different from chemical or physical problems with heart,
eyes, legs, lungs, allergies, etc. Defects occur. [censored] happens. It is caused by a chemical imbalance
in the brain, just like allergies are caused by excess histimine in the body, and diabetes is caused
by problem with pancreas and insulin. Humans have physical defects. But we are just on the threshold
of taking care of depression in children with drugs. It is a new frontier. Maybe some day there will
be a quick cure for everything. Kids can get cancer and tumors too. It is scary.4 posted on 10/27/2003 3:12:54 PM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Hairy Hildabeast,
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------To: Brian S Meanwhile they (the pharma industry) keep 'pushing' drugs in TV ads like candy...
"Just ask your doctor what this pill can do for you!"
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6 posted on 10/27/2003 3:17:31 PM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Hairy Hildabeast,
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------To: traumer Not true, unless your doctor is a quack! That would be gross malpractice!!!!! You HAVE
to go through ALL KINDS OF TESTS to get antidepressants, Ritalin, etc. My son had to go through
months of tests before they let him take Ritalin. They must first rule out epilepsy, seizures, petit
mal and grand seizures, etc. They don't just hand it out like candy. You can die from taking the
wrong med. sheesh7 posted on 10/27/2003 3:19:10 PM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Hairy Hildabeast,
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------To: Brian S And what about RITALIN ? Is it safe ?
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------To: buffyt "You HAVE to go through ALL KINDS OF TESTS to get antidepressants, Ritalin, etc. My son
had to go through months of tests before they let him take Ritalin. They must first rule out
epilepsy, seizures, petit mal and grand seizures, etc. They don't just hand it out like candy."You do NOT have to take a blood test for Ritalin. Prescription is based on a battery of
written tests.Ritilin is suspected of serious side effects, yet "doctors" continue writing prescriptions for the
stuff, based on recommendations by school psychologists, counselors and parents.I agree that depression is a valid medical diagnosis for a condition.
I disagree that medical science is doing this whole business correctly.
I lived through school wihen Ritalin did not exist. Somehow we survived. I do NOT happen to be
convinced about the way the children are being diagnosed and treated.Ritilin is like "speed." Whe will your kid stop taking it? What is the long term medical research
about stopping Ritilin?You oughta want to know this stuff.
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------To: Brian S 500,000 attempt suicide every year. About 1,700 succeed. They apparently are not very
good at it.10 posted on 10/27/2003 3:48:52 PM PST by Dog Gone [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 |
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------To: buffyt A good book: 'Surviving Manic Depression' by E. Fuller Torrey, M.D. This book has loads
of info on medications and resources. The Dr. mentions Patty Duke's book, 'A Brilliant Madness' as
the best at explaining the journey into manic depression. (Thought I would suggest this for
interesing reading.... 🙂11 posted on 10/27/2003 3:53:22 PM PST by BossLady (Being Democrat is a vegetative state.......) [
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------To: Brian S I don't believe in doping up people as a cure-all.
Hyperactive? Got just the thing: it's called "yard work." Depressed? Got just the thing: it's called
"serving those in need." Panic attacks? Got just the thing: it's called "exercise."Bottom line: there's no cure in any bottle for what ails you. Even medicines meant for treating
physical ailments can't do that. All they do is give your body a fighting chance to mend itself.Likewise, there's no cure for depression in any bottle of pills. They maybe will give you a short
respite, but you'll still have the same old problems when the drug wears off.So life kicks you sometimes. Kick it back. Works for me.
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------To: buffyt depression of the brain is no different from chemical or physical problems with heart,
eyes, legs, lungs, allergies, etc. Stop that now, everyone knows that it is just the weak willed
wimps that suffer from these disorders.13 posted on 10/27/2003 5:54:10 PM PST by itsahoot (The lesser of two evils, is evil still...Alan
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------To: Brian S Hello!?!?! You can't solve your problems with a pill!
Doh!
14 posted on 10/27/2003 5:54:32 PM PST by ImProudToBeAnAmerican (Bill raped, Monica swallowed,
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------To: truth_seeker I lived through school wihen Ritalin did not exist. Somehow we survive How about
discipline, was there any of that when you went to school? -
worldnewsstand.netPSYCHIATRY.htmOpen ↗
HOW PSYCHIATRY IS MAKING DRUG ADDICTS OUT OF AMERICA'S SCHOOL CHILDREN By Dennis H. Clarke
Copyright © 1997 by Dennis H. Clarke, All Rights Reserved
Prologue and Summary by Forest Glen Durland
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------Prologue Child energy and control -- high and low
by Forest Glen Durland
Copyright 1998 by Forest Glen Durland
Based on personal experience, my three children and many years teaching, my diagnosis of more-active
and less-active than "normal" children finds that these traits are usually caused and controlled by
two factors: home life and diet. Home life is the mental aspect, while diet is the physical aspect.Happy home life with two parents (one of each gender) usually produces a well-balanced and mentally
secure child that copes well with school life. Unsettled and broken homes usually produce children
who are unsettled and insecure mentally. It is that simple, really. For years I have regarded
students as a vivid video monitor of their home life. Man is a product of his environment. TV plays
a huge part in this drama. The average child watches that idiot tube over five hours each day. Most
sensible parents agree that most TV programs are junk.For years doctors and scientists have known that the human body needs certain nutrients, vitamins,
etc. to remain healthy. Omit any of those items and a problem will probably develop. Add other items
that alter mind and/or body and serious consequences can follow. The two major items that have
caused problems in my classroom are sugars and caffeine. Both speed a child's activity. Sugar is
brutal when its supply is exhausted. When the supply runs out, sugars and refined white flours dump
you flat on your face. That is most probably why kids go from high to low. The normal is missing.Most schools have junk food machines abundant. A fast junk food store is nearby. It is the
responsibility of the parents and our school administrators to remove those sources of school
interruption. And interruption it most certainly is. Time after time, year after year, I have
witnessed students coming into the room by way of the ceiling. By the time I got them down the wall,
the bell rang and they charged out. I have witnessed a boy jugalugging a pint of tea. That is a big
slug of caffeine. At break and lunch, sugar laden snacks are everywhere.Our parents and our school administrators are at fault on both counts. It is they that should
control diet.Potent doses of sugar do something else to the body. When the overdose of sugar is detected, the
body moves to counteract it. When the sugar burns up, the body is left with an overdose of
counteraction that could be felt as an insulin shock. In summary, an overdose of sugar causes the
body to go into a yo-yo reaction. Teachers don't seem to be the least cognizant of this cause and
effect, labeling the child abnormal and needing treatment.So it is no wonder that students are either high or low. There can be no even activity. Enter the
psychiatrists with zero experience in the classroom. Teachers say kids are not normal. Psychiatrist
gives drugs. Kids become addicts. Yes, addicts - millions of them. Hillary on the Hill has pushed
Goals 2000 on the schools, and school administrators are eating it up. Well, Goals 2000 makes it
legal for teachers to administer Ritalin, Prozac and Valium to students without prescription and
without as much as notifying the child's parents. Now comes the real shocker: Ritalin is about the
same as cocaine -- permanently addictive and brain damaging.Active children are not bad or sick children. They are healthy children. Inactive children are not
necessarily sick. Check their home life and diet. But think three times before letting government
take over. They have been demonstrating Nazi influence in American lately, taking the children from
the parents. This is a dangerous precedent you are well advised to caution against.Sugar, caffeine and nicotine are definitely habit forming. Caffeine will flush itself out of the
body in about ten days. But sugar and nicotine create a craving that is extremely difficult to
overcome. One ex-addict stated that it was easier to throw the cocaine habit than nicotine.Sugar, caffeine and nicotine are so influential on mental eating habits and response that I labeled
them the BBK minors in my book, Age of the Mind. BBK majors are the hard stuff like cocaine and its
tough, nasty brother, Ritalin. BBK stands for Brain and Body Killers. Now you know what I think of
excess sugar and sugared junk food.The BBK minors set the stage for the majors. Once kids get hooked on the easy stuff, it is an easy
step to the BBK majors. Add to the influence the ever present TV. For five hours a day kids watch TV
characters eat junk food galore and pop pills for every pain that never existed. So they are brain
washed to eat something that makes them unsettled, then to take something to calm them down. Sugar
sellers, psychiatrists and drug companies are making millions off our kids habits.In addition to the BBK influence, TV fries the human mind. The children become addicted to it and
are unable to live by themselves and keep themselves at peace with their own mind. TV prevents kids
from learning to think for themselves. The TV does all their thinking for them, is designed for the
eighth grade mind and lower, and constantly imprints the sellers desires on the children's putty-
soft minds.All of this summed up is a powerful dose. Sugar, caffeine and nicotine are being pushed constantly
by the TV adds into a controlled, receptive young mind. BBK minors graduate up to the BBK majors.
Incidentally, I consider alcohol a BBK major.Now add an additional, clandestine influence. Open your mind, now, and do not rush to label this
subject with your favorite brush off. I am well researched and documented and know whereof I speak.
An unseen, covert governing elite have been gradually gaining control of the world for about three
centuries. Recent statements indicate that their agenda is nearly complete. One of their necessary
goals is total mind control. It is plain to see this assault in our schools. At the hands of Hillary
Clinton, Goals 2000 has been forced on all school districts, probably unconstitutionally. Goals
2000, also known as OBE (Outcome Based Education) has made it legal for schools to give Ritalin,
Prozac and valium to kids without even telling their parents. So, summing up all of this story, we
have millions of children on Ritalin. If hooked, and it could so easily happen, we will have a
nation of addicts very soon. Well, addicts will do anything they are told for a fix. The agenda of
the governing elite is nearly complete.You can start by cutting the cord on all your TVs.
Then buy some good books and magazines like National Geographic. Buy a piano, some art supplies,
and some books on music, art and foreign language. It worked for my family. When I moved, I
junked the TV.The administering of Ritalin to children raises a bright caution flag. If Ritalin is more dangerous
than cocaine, why is it made legal by, and perhaps recommended by Goals 2000? That's "the Village"
Hilliary Clinton is pushing. That's the federal legislation that makes it legal for teachers to
administer Ritalin to students without prescription and without as much as notifying the parents.
These facts alone should tell everyone that Goals 2000 is up to no good. It appears to reflect the
moral character of the PresidentS Clinton.In the following summary, read the documentation that Ritalin makes children suicidal and dangerous.
This adds volatile fuel to the research question on this education site: Was Ritalin taken by the
kids who killed kids? So far, the answer is yes. We need more cases and letters of proof for
documentation. Then it is up you Moms to march on Congress, for that appears to be our only hope of
mopping this country's legislative floor. The kitchen militia knows how to get that job done. The
rest of us must get behind you and push. We must support you. Time is short. In November we must
replace about half of Congress with people who know how the keep the floor clean. And before then,
we must cause Congress to boot Clinton, Clinton and Gore clear out of town. Be sure that is on your
list of chores for the kids to do, meaning, of course, Congress. After all, OUR Constitution, or
what's left of it, says that Congress is working for us. So, tell 'em, Ladies! They are not
listening to me.Please read on.
Forest Glen Durland
This Introduction is for public use.
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------HOW PSYCHIATRY IS MAKING DRUG ADDICTS OUT OF AMERICA'S SCHOOL CHILDREN By Dennis H. Clarke
Summary by Forest Glen Durland
Intended as complete study on the drugging of America's children, this work by Dennis Clarke is,
indeed, revealing, if not frightening. Parents can not help wonder what OUR government is doing to
their children. In 1995, over two million children were addicted to some of the most dangerous and
addictive drugs known to man. These drugs can alter the mind and cause brain damage. Extensive
documentation is available."Authorities" "diagnose" children as young as 18 months of age as having "mental illness". Once
labeled, pediatricians and psychiatrists then "treat the mental illness" with some of the most
dangerous and addictive substances known to man. Many of the children's lives are ruined."Today, under psychiatry's invented criteria, there isn't a single normal childhood activity which
doesn't fall within the broad 'symptoms' which comprise so-called 'mental illness'. Some of the
labels are: Attention Deficit Disorder, Hyperactivity, Minimal Brain Dysfunction, Learning
Disability, Impulse disorder, Developmental Reading Disorder, Developmental Writing Disorder,
developmental Arithmetic Disorder.""Result: addicts and lunatics. Brains are fried and body functions are damaged. This is what Ritalin
and dozens of other psychiatric drugs are intended to do. To add insult to injury, in many, if not
all cases, parents are not made aware of the magnitude of the 'treatment' "."If these are 'medical criteria', Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder is a fraud being
perpetrated on the parents, teachers and children of America by the psychiatric industry which is in
constant need of new customers and by greedy drug manufacturers cashing in on this nations generous
medical insurance and ignorance. The psychiatrists and drug companies win and the children and the
future of society lose. It is as simple as that"."Attention Deficit Disorder is in fact, in the eyes of the beholder. ... "
The effects of Ritalin, amphetamines and cocaine, including the side effects, are, in fact,
indistinguishable.WHAT IS RITALIN? "Frankly, Ritalin is one of the most dangerous and addictive substances known to
man. It is an extremely potent stimulant, a 'speed' type drug, or 'upper' as it is known to and is
in high demand by 'street' addicts. In the human body, its effect is chemically and neurologically
equivalent to cocaine or the amphetamines.""While Ritalin is a different chemical from cocaine and the amphetamines, it has almost an identical
effect with two important differences. First, milligram per milligram, Ritalin is more potent than
cocaine or amphetamines. Second, the effects of Ritalin last longer than cocaine or the
amphetamines.""Ritalin, when used on children, is given orally rather than being injected, snorted or smoked as
with methamphetamine and cocaine. But the use of cocaine or amphetamines orally would have the same
effect as Ritalin on the child, with the only difference being that more cocaine or amphetamine
would be needed to get the same effect. It should be known that experienced addicts are unable to
distinguish injected cocaine from injected Ritalin or injected amphetamines.""The injection of Ritalin destroys the vein at the sight of the injection and often the needle mark
will become infected with sores that will not heal. The addicts will often use up and ruin the usual
veins in the arms, legs, hands and feet and begin "shooting" under fingernails and under the tongue
and eventually will 'shoot' into the neck and have even been known to use veins around the eyeball."" 'Perhaps the best-known effect of chronic stimulant administration is psychosis. Psychosis has
been associated with chronic use of several stimulants; e.g., amphetamines, METHYLPHENIDATE
(RITALIN), phenmetrazine and cocaine... [This] psychosis mimics paranoid schizophrenia or paranoia
so closely that it has been misdiagnosed as such by experienced clinicians many times' ""As you will learn, psychosis is only the beginning of consequential adverse effects of altering,
perhaps permanently, of Ritalin. States of extreme paranoia (where the person thinks all others are
out to harm him or her) are common. Many very horrible crimes have been committed by people using
Ritalin. Police in Vancouver recently reported crimes of all types were up in that city as a result
of Ritalin use. The police chief said that 80% of the crime in Vancouver would cease if Ritalin
could be taken off the market. This situation is now well underway in Europe and the US as well."WARNING SUICIDE WARNING "The following warning is based on a study of the medical literature on the
subject of Ritalin withdrawal and actual case studies:""WARNING: According to the American Psychiatric Association, SUICIDE is the major adverse
consequence of withdrawal from Ritalin and similar drugs. Suicides and attempted suicides by
children on Ritalin have occurred when the drug was withdrawn or the dosage reduced. Suicides and
attempted suicides have also occurred at normal dose levels without warning. Children should be
watched for any signs of drug induced depression or other mental disturbance as these are common
with the use of such powerful chemicals, particularly for periods lasting a week or longer. The
effects of the drug may be cumulative within the brain and so the onset of adverse reactions such as
suicidal thinking may be sudden and occur without warning. Special precautions should be taken
during withdrawal or reduction in the amount used. Withdrawal or reduction of the amount of the
substance used may also 'unmask' drug induced states of severe paranoid delusional or psychotic
states which can last for a year or longer after the last use of the drug. For this reason, children
on Ritalin may hide their feelings and thoughts so no one will interfere with their attempt to
destroy themselves.""Psychiatrists are telling parents and teachers that, in effect, these children are 'mentally ill'
or 'mentally disordered.' …They are told that the situation is desperate and that 'early
intervention' in the form of 'medicine' is needed to 'save the child from a life of misery,
criminality or worse.' ""Some parents and teachers are told that Ritalin will make it easier for the child to learn and
retain data. This is also a false claim and is probably the biggest lie being promoted and told
about Ritalin. Ritalin is not a 'smart pill.' In fact, it is the opposite of a 'smart pill'. The
vast majority of children on Ritalin have either no improvement in their scholastic achievement or
their actual achievement scores will deteriorate, sometimes drastically over time."What is the long term outlook for children raised on Ritalin on a daily or almost daily basis?
Exactly what you would expect if your child were raised on cocaine on a daily or almost daily basis.
An American National Institute For Mental Health funded study, tells the sad tale:""Rather than solving any problems, the mass drugging of America's school children has caused a
massive crime wave and a wave of child suicide which has no precedent anywhere or any time in
History. Prior to 1970, when Ritalin use began to be commonplace in our schools, child suicide was
virtually unheard of. Today, it is an epidemic."" This data above has been acquired over a period of thirty years and is offered as a public
service. Data related to specific drug effects are taken from authoritative medical and
pharmaceutical references. " -
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(Jan) said:
Quoted message said:
From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
Quoted message said:
Do not forget, that to willfully advertize for things which can lead to the death of children
Ding Ding Ding.
<snip anti ritalin propaganda>
Millions of children die EACH YEAR from vaccine preventable illnesses. Jan Drew posts ONLY antivac
web sites whenever she posts links (actually lies and misinformation) about vaccination. And she
claims that she cares about ALL lives. More lies from the Queen of Deceit. And not a peep about the
MILLIONS of children who die needlessly each year because they are not vaccinated. Sad that.Jan Drew has failed to produce any objective evidence that Ritalin causes suicide.
Aloha,
Rich
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(Jan) said:
Mark tells us what we should believe. A bit of a control problem.
Good thing that Jan never tells us what we should believe:-))
Another keeper!!
Aloha,
Rich
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Subject: Re: Ritalin and Suicide From: "Mark ProbertDecember 26, 2002"
[email hidden]Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Date: 12/26/2003 3:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
That is a $cientology site, not to be believed ab initio.
Mark tells us what we should believe. A bit of a control problem.
And you never, ever tell us what we should believe?
Look in the mirror and say:
HYPOCRITE!
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
americanpolicy.orgritalinroot.htmOpen ↗
Is Ritalin the Root of Student Violence?
Nope, as poven by the NTAC assessment on school shootings.
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
www231.pair.comdrilri.htmlOpen ↗
Bodyteen.com provides valuable medically accurate information. It does not replace the advice of a
medical professional.And the goes on to do just what it says it doesn't. No wonder Jan likes this hypocrite site.
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Jan the Accuser said:
*Merely* a few hundred times, with my reply a few hundred.
But never did you reply with EVEN ONE example of a lie I told about Cell Tech.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Note that, once again, she ignored the request for an example.
Lies are rampant here.
You being the biggest purveyor thereof.
Quoted message said:
I showed examples a few hundred times. Mark has repeat itis, maybe it's from working at IBM??
When? Certainly not in any posting I've ever seen? Perhaps you'll prove me wrong by posting one of
these examples right now? (Of course, you won't.)Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
She accuses people of lying, but never backs up her allegations with any facts.
There's another lie.
Then, let's seen example, Jan. Show an example of a lie I made about Cell Tech. Not a lie somebody
else made. Not a statement I made which is not a lie. Not a statement you made by chopping up
statements I made.I'm asking to see an example of a WHOLE statement I made about Cell Tech which is a lie.
You have never posted an example of that.
Quoted message said:
Posted over and over and over
And never have you responded with an example of a lie I made about Cell Tech. Never.
[snipped huge amount of stuff in which Jan mixes statements made by me with statmeents made by
other people]Can you just point to ONE statement I made which is a lie? You post a haystack of statements made by
me (and other people) with the implication that there's a needle in their somewhere. Well, there's
not. There is NO statement in there made by me which is a lie.If you disagree, just bring out that needle. Just point to a statement I made about Cell Tech which
is a lie. Don't try to confuse the issue by putting up this big smokescreen of statements made by
other people.It is not the responsibility of the reader to figure out where the lie is. It is the responsibility
of the accuser (that's you, Jan) to point out the lie.Why don't you do that, Jan?
Is it because then it would be obvious to everybody that you can't come up with EVEN ONE example of
a statement I made about Cell Tech which is a lie?And then everybody would know it is Jan Drew who is the LIAR?
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Jan the Accuser said:
*Merely* a few hundred times, with my reply a few hundred.
But never did you reply with EVEN ONE example of a lie I told about Cell Tech.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Note that, once again, she ignored the request for an example.
Lies are rampant here.
You being the biggest purveyor thereof.
Quoted message said:
I showed examples a few hundred times. Mark has repeat itis, maybe it's from working at IBM??
When? Certainly not in any posting I've ever seen? Perhaps you'll prove me wrong by posting one of
these examples right now? (Of course, you won't.)Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
She accuses people of lying, but never backs up her allegations with any facts.
There's another lie.
Then, let's seen example, Jan. Show an example of a lie I made about Cell Tech. Not a lie somebody
else made. Not a statement I made which is not a lie. Not a statement you made by chopping up
statements I made.I'm asking to see an example of a WHOLE statement I made about Cell Tech which is a lie.
You have never posted an example of that.
Quoted message said:
Posted over and over and over
And never have you responded with an example of a lie I made about Cell Tech. Never.
[snipped huge amount of stuff in which Jan mixes statements made by me with statmeents made by
other people]Can you just point to ONE statement I made which is a lie? You post a haystack of statements made by
me (and other people) with the implication that there's a needle in their somewhere. Well, there's
not. There is NO statement in there made by me which is a lie.If you disagree, just bring out that needle. Just point to a statement I made about Cell Tech which
is a lie. Don't try to confuse the issue by putting up this big smokescreen of statements made by
other people.It is not the responsibility of the reader to figure out where the lie is. It is the responsibility
of the accuser (that's you, Jan) to point out the lie.Why don't you do that, Jan?
Is it because then it would be obvious to everybody that you can't come up with EVEN ONE example of
a statement I made about Cell Tech which is a lie?And then everybody would know it is Jan Drew who is the LIAR?
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