Mad cow in WA State

Hark! I heard Cindy Fuller <[email hidden]> say:

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Lucky us, the first suspected case of mad cow disease in the US has been found in a Holstein in
Washington. We heard about this shortly after we left Central Market with some burger for dinner.
SO decided to dispose of the burger without using it. So we had frozen poultry entrees for dinner.
This is a helluva way to bring the cost of beef down.

We won't be eating beef for a while either. Thank goodness for Washington Grown Chickens... ;-)

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I have read that CJ cannot be contracted by humans via muscle tissue from BSE contaminated animals,
but only through brain tissue or the like. Also that in the normal course of events, probability of
contracting CJ is similar to that of a double lightening strike.

Are people over-reacting? Thoughts?

JG

John Gaquin said:

I have read that CJ cannot be contracted by humans via muscle tissue from BSE contaminated animals,
but only through brain tissue or the like.

The "like" being spinal cord.

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Also that in the normal course of events, probability of contracting CJ is similar to that of a
double lightening strike.

A fair approximation, I would think. But, as the effects are not so immediate, precise data have yet
to emerge.

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Are people over-reacting? Thoughts?

Yes. Big time. Some of the alternatives people might use also have their hazards (e.g. poultry full
of antibiotics).

One case of BSE in how many tens of millions of cattle? Get a sense of perspective: wait for a
second case.

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John Gaquin said:

I have read that CJ cannot be contracted by humans via muscle tissue from BSE contaminated
animals, but only through brain tissue or the like.

"The like" includes spinal cord tissue.

Quoting from: paralinks.netspinal cords.htmlOpen ↗

"If you're a fan of hamburgers, hot dogs, or luncheon meats, odds are you sometimes eat small bits
of cow spinal cords. You can thank something called Advanced Meat Recovery (AMR) for that."

"'Most AMR plants voluntarily remove spinal cords before processing, ' says the American Meat
Institute's Janet Riley. But last year, in response to complaints from consumer groups (including
CSPI), the USDA surveyed seven AMR plants in the U.S. The Feds found bits of spinal cord in two out
of 11 meat samples."

Quoting from cspinet.orgmadcow protection.htmlOpen ↗

"More than 100 people in Europe have died of vCJD. The disease causes progressive brain damage,
which results in difficulty walking and speaking, memory loss, decreased mental function, and,
invariably, death. BSE and vCJD are transmitted from cattle to other cattle and to humans through
feed and food contaminated with small amounts of infected cattle brain, spinal cord, or other
nervous system tissue."

"The CSPI petition urged USDA to ban cattle spinal columns and neck bones from processing through
advanced meat recovery (AMR) machines. Those machines strip soft tissue (including meat and spinal
cord) from bones and produce 40 million pounds of meat paste annually. That meat paste typically is
used in the production of hundreds of millions of pounds of hot dogs, hamburgers, pizza toppings,
and taco fillings."

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I have read that CJ cannot be contracted by humans via muscle tissue from BSE contaminated
animals, but only through brain tissue or the like. Also that in the normal course of events,
probability of contracting CJ is similar to that of a double lightening strike.

Are people over-reacting? Thoughts?

JG

Not eating beef for x-mas is overreacting. It's not a big deal. Besides, you bought your roast long
before the Mad Cow [censored] came out. One cow on one farm in one state. Yeah, yeah, I know-who knows
what else is out there? Is this going to make anyone a vegetarian? Doubtful. 'Sides, most
vegetarians I know are fat-too much rice pasta.

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John Gaquin said:

I have read that CJ cannot be contracted by humans via muscle tissue from BSE contaminated
animals, but only through brain tissue or the like.

In today's Seattle Times, one of the articles cited a research report which found that BSE prions
were detectable in muscle tissue. This was in a study using lab mice. Further work is probably
needed to determine if the same is true for cows and other food animals.

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Also that in the normal course of events, probability of contracting CJ is similar to that of a
double lightening strike.

Remember that very little is known about BSE and vCJD. Research on this stuff only took off in the
late 1980s. Couple that with the fact that these diseases have a long incubation period (many
years), and there is good reason to be very conservative in preventive measures.

But the reaction of US regulatory authorities has not been very aggressive. Our laws prohibit the
use of cattle feedstocks containing beef byproducts, but there is apparently a lot of noncompliance.
I think the US law allows beef byproducts to be fed to other food animals (chickens, pigs, etc.).

Some European countries are now testing all slaughtered cattle. We are currently testing only those
animals which are show obvious indicators of neurological impairment, plus some additional spot
checks. This means that cattle with BSE, but which have not progressed to impairment symptoms, could
be entering the food chain. We really don't know how many humans are contracting vCJD, because (a)
they may not show symptoms for many years, (b) the symptoms can be confused with other conditions,
like Alzheimers, and (c) doctors rarely order the appropriate diagnostic or post-mortem tests.

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I have read that CJ cannot be contracted by humans via muscle tissue from BSE contaminated
animals, but only through brain tissue or the like. Also that in the normal course of events,
probability of contracting CJ is similar to that of a double lightening strike.

Are people over-reacting? Thoughts?

Was Washington overreacting when they closed the border to Canadian beef last summer because of
exactly the same situation?

The human form of BSE, variant Creuzfeld-Jakob disease (vCJD), is contracted by consuming tainted
beef, this much is known. Its appearance in Western Europe and the British Isles is consistent with
recent outbreaks.

How much needs to be consumed is not known or even what makes certain people susceptible and
others not. So far, the bulk of cases, over 100, have occurred in Great Britain, whereas only a
few cases have appearad in France and Ireland. I suspect the sample is not large enough to draw
conclusions, so if you want to add your body to the corpus of knowledge, go right ahead. I'll
pass, if you don't mind.

Basically, if you're a fool, you'll eat beef, if you're not, you'll go veggie.

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"I'm the master of low expectations."

GWB, aboard Air Force One, 04Jun2003

The really SPOOKY thing is that it was a "down" cow, meaning it was already sick! Evidently our
wonderful gov't allows them to slaughter and feed us sick animals! According to the Portland
Oregonian a measure was just defeated in Congress this past Summer which would have prevented this.
Let's let our nitwits in WDC know we want this stopped!

Padraig Breathnach said:

John Gaquin said:

I have read that CJ cannot be contracted by humans via muscle tissue from BSE contaminated
animals, but only through brain tissue or the like.

The "like" being spinal cord.

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Also that in the normal course of events, probability of contracting CJ is similar to that of a
double lightening strike.

A fair approximation, I would think. But, as the effects are not so immediate, precise data have
yet to emerge.

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Are people over-reacting? Thoughts?

Yes. Big time. Some of the alternatives people might use also have their hazards (e.g. poultry
full of antibiotics).

One case of BSE in how many tens of millions of cattle? Get a sense of perspective: wait for a
second case.

Michel Boucher said:

The human form of BSE, variant Creuzfeld-Jakob disease (vCJD), is contracted by consuming tainted
beef, this much is known.

Believed. The case for believing it is strong, but the mechanisms are not understood.

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Its appearance in Western Europe and the British Isles is consistent with recent outbreaks.

True.

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How much needs to be consumed is not known or even what makes certain people susceptible and others
not. So far, the bulk of cases, over 100, have occurred in Great Britain, whereas only a few cases
have appearad in France and Ireland.

I think that it is one case in France and two in Ireland (one of those two having spent many years
in Britain).

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I suspect the sample is not large enough to draw conclusions, so if you want to add your body to
the corpus of knowledge, go right ahead. I'll pass, if you don't mind.

Feel free. But be aware that you probably take on many greater avoidable risks without worry -- for
example, driving a car or crossing a street or changing a lightbulb.

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Basically, if you're a fool, you'll eat beef, if you're not, you'll go veggie.

I ate beef today (in Ireland) and I'm not worried. I don't think that I'm a fool, but others might
hold a different opinion.

It's a strange fact that we go to great pains to avoid some hazards, and virtually ignore others.

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I have read that CJ cannot be contracted by humans via muscle tissue from BSE contaminated
animals, but only through brain tissue or the like. Also that in the normal course of events,
probability of contracting CJ is similar to that of a double lightening strike.

Are people over-reacting? Thoughts?

JG

I would not be too sure of that:

insidedenver.com0,1299,DRMN 21 2528879,00.htmlOpen ↗

excerpt:

Agriculture and meat industry officials, including Colorado's secretary of agriculture, say the
practice is not uncommon. But to protect consumers, potentially diseased parts of the animal -
namely the brain and spinal tissue - are removed, they say.

The remaining muscle tissue, the officials say, is perfectly safe - a point echoed by U.S.
Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman at a news conference Tuesday.

But Bosque said there still are questions about eating the muscle tissue of a cow infected with mad
cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy.

He pointed to his own research that showed the infectious agent, known as a prion, can accumulate in
the muscle tissue of mice, and a recent study showing that people with a disease similar to mad cow
also can accumulate prions in muscle tissue.

In addition, prions are found in the lymph nodes of infected animals, Bosque said, and lymph nodes
can be found throughout the body, easily mixing into the muscle tissue at a slaughterhouse.

But if you buy totally Grasas Fed beef you avoid the feed lot Mad Cow syndrom and eat healthy
beef also:

But if you eat totally grass fed beef, you get Mad cow free and healthy beef!

You have plenty to choose from:

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Padraig Breathnach <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Michel Boucher said:

The human form of BSE, variant Creuzfeld-Jakob disease (vCJD), is contracted by consuming tainted
beef, this much is known.

Believed. The case for believing it is strong, but the mechanisms are not understood.

Within reason, I think that the available evidence resolves itself in actual knowledge. The simple
fact that vCJD has only appeared in individuals who have been in countries where BSE has been
present indicates a high degree of relevance. If it was more widespread than BSE, then one might
suppute a disconnection.

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How much needs to be consumed is not known or even what makes certain people susceptible and
others not. So far, the bulk of cases, over 100, have occurred in Great Britain, whereas only a
few cases have appearad in France and Ireland.

I think that it is one case in France and two in Ireland (one of those two having spent many years
in Britain).

There was also one in Canada last summer.

newscientist.combse.jspOpen ↗

The article also states that six cases of vCJD have been identified in France as of last summer.

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I suspect the sample is not large enough to draw conclusions, so if you want to add your body to
the corpus of knowledge, go right ahead. I'll pass, if you don't mind.

Feel free. But be aware that you probably take on many greater avoidable risks without worry --
for example, driving a car or crossing a street or changing a lightbulb.

You assume that I cross streets and change lightbulbs. A fairly large assumption, I might
point out :-)

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Basically, if you're a fool, you'll eat beef, if you're not, you'll go veggie.

I ate beef today (in Ireland) and I'm not worried. I don't think that I'm a fool, but others might
hold a different opinion.

I ate pork today, beef a week ago. My comment was to a USAian who was wondering if s/he should be
concerned. I am not concerned about beef but I don't mind messing with their heads when the occasion
arises :-)

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"I'm the master of low expectations."

GWB, aboard Air Force One, 04Jun2003

Padraig Breathnach said:

John Gaquin said:

I have read that CJ cannot be contracted by humans via muscle tissue from BSE contaminated
animals, but only through brain tissue or the like.

The "like" being spinal cord.

which they split in North America but not in Great Britain or Europe.

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Also that in the normal course of events, probability of contracting CJ is similar to that of a
double lightening strike.

A fair approximation, I would think. But, as the effects are not so immediate, precise data have
yet to emerge.

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Are people over-reacting? Thoughts?

It is an over reaction if nothing happens but if you are in a life threatening situation it is
valid. It is the same as the young drunk dirver who kills somebody on his way home from a Christmas
party. The parents of the driver think that society is over reacting when they want to see the young
lad go to jail for ever - which he won't. The parents of the deceased child killed by the drunk
driver thinks that the justice system and the judge are not serving society if the kid only gets a
couple of years of leg monitoring as opposed to a lengthy sentence.

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Yes. Big time. Some of the alternatives people might use also have their hazards (e.g. poultry
full of antibiotics).

One case of BSE in how many tens of millions of cattle? Get a sense of perspective: wait for a
second case.

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Meat is reasonably expensive. Safe meat would be even more expensive. We don't want to encourage
anyone to boycott beef in North America for two reason: The relatively safe non-beef products will
remain relatively cheap for the rest of us because of modest demands. When thousands of North
Americans test postiive for BSE in 5 or 10 years, then an economical solution will be found for keep
beef safe. And again we win. So don't change a thing. It takes time, lots of times to find good
solutions to problems, but most of the problems begin with lies.

robert said:

"John Gaquin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rqOdnS4uWZEkcXSiRVn-
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I have read that CJ cannot be contracted by humans via muscle tissue from BSE contaminated
animals, but only through brain tissue or the like. Also that in the normal course of events,
probability of contracting CJ is similar to that of a double lightening strike.

Are people over-reacting? Thoughts?

JG

Not eating beef for x-mas is overreacting. It's not a big deal. Besides, you bought your roast
long before the Mad Cow [censored] came out. One cow on one farm in one state. Yeah, yeah, I know-who
knows what else is out there? Is this going to make anyone a vegetarian? Doubtful. 'Sides, most
vegetarians I know are fat-too much rice pasta.

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The really SPOOKY thing is that it was a "down" cow, meaning it was already sick! Evidently our
wonderful gov't allows them to slaughter and feed us sick animals! According to the Portland
Oregonian a measure was just defeated in Congress this past Summer which would have prevented
this. Let's let our nitwits in WDC know we want this stopped!

Down cows are not necessarily animals sick with disease. For example, a cow can fall and break a
leg. While the cow would be down in the sense that it couldn't walk, it would not have a disease
making it sick. The common usage of "downer" cow is one that is *injured* beyond repair, not a sick
animal. This is not to say that there aren't weak cows who can't walk because they don't have the
strength to get up, but my understanding is that these animals cannot be sold for human consumption
while an animal that fell could be sold for human consumption.

I think most of the bills about downer cows are from an animal rights perspective... .

John Gaquin said:

I have read that CJ cannot be contracted by humans via muscle tissue from BSE contaminated
animals, but only through brain tissue or the like. Also that in the normal course of events,
probability of contracting CJ is similar to that of a double lightening strike.

Are people over-reacting? Thoughts?

JG

Nerve tissue is in every cubic millimeter of the meat.

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