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  1. Hi there,

    Another thread brought up the issue of cyclists failing to speak up in their own interests,
    especially when local authorities ignore all the 'Best practice' advice they are supposed to follow
    and so make the roads even more 'cycling unfriendly' then they are already.

    The important point was made that whilst most LA's have 'Cycle Forums' these are usually regarded by
    council officers as being 'talking shops' to keep the local cycling zealots quiet and to meet their
    statutory responsibility to consult. In addition, those dedicated cycle campaigners most people
    leave campaigning work to are often seen as being unrepresentative of 'normal' cyclists or even just
    'nutters', even when those campaigners are doing nothing more then quoting from offical design
    guidelines. (For example, it seems many LA's actually believe that 'cyclists' want narrow badly
    surfaced 'cycle paths' where the cyclist has to give way every few metres and that most cyclists
    have no problems at all with 'pinchpoints' and roundabouts...)

    What is really needed is more cyclists getting of their backsides and expressing their concerns to
    LA's and other bodies, perhaps taking the time to find out just what their LA is supposed to be
    doing, what road schemes are under consideration and so on.

    Given the way cyclists are being ever more marginalised how about a few more cyclists standing up
    for themselves and making the resolution that:

    'Where I see the interests of cyclists being ignored by central government, local authorities or
    others, or cyclists unfairly vilified in the press, I will take the time to stand up for my own and
    other cyclists interests by at least writing to object.'

    That't it, if every cyclist did this only 3 or 4 times a year we just might have a chance of getting
    more attention paid to cyclists needs. I am sure plenty of people here are not adverse to wring the
    odd letter to their MP's but I have no doubt plenty of people don't. Let's heed the words of a
    speaker at the Mass Cyclists protest held in Hull in 1935,

    'only by continually protesting and acting could cyclists maintain their place on the roads of
    Great Britain'.

    A happy New Year!

  2. "Howard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi there,

    Another thread brought up the issue of cyclists failing to speak up in their own interests,
    especially when local authorities ignore all the 'Best practice' advice they are supposed to
    follow and so make the roads even more 'cycling unfriendly' then they are already.


    Good idea. I'll write next time I see something that bothers me / would make my life easier if it
    were done.

    In fact, I'll write to the manager of the local supermarket and ask why they don't have bikestands
    (well, they have some wheelbenders loosely bolted into the wall by the cashpoints, but...)

    Cheers,

    A

  3. On 19 Dec 2003 04:52:31 -0800, [email hidden] (Howard)

    Quoted message said:

    'Where I see the interests of cyclists being ignored by central government, local authorities or
    others, or cyclists unfairly vilified in the press, I will take the time to stand up for my own and
    other cyclists interests by at least writing to object.'

    That't it, if every cyclist did this only 3 or 4 times a year we just might have a chance of
    getting more attention paid to cyclists needs.

    As pessimistic and cynical as it might sound, I genuinely believe that this will only result in you
    wasting your own time.

    Our Government doesn't care about public opinion, our Local Authorities care even less.

    If you happen to have the resources required buy the time and influence of a few MPs with some fat
    directorships or campaign donations then you may well make a difference. If not, then you could
    probably achieve just as much by banging your head against a brick wall.

    I think the best bet is to support the CTC with an annual membership and then just enjoy your
    cycling the best you can.

    Life is richer when you have as little involvement with career politicians as possible. Ignore them
    and their attempts to interfere in your life - resistance is not futile, but letter writing is 🙂
    --

    "Bob"

    Email address is spamtrapped.
    To reply directly remove the beverage.

  4. On 19/12/03 1:30 pm, in article [email hidden],

    Ambrose Nankivell said:

    In fact, I'll write to the manager of the local supermarket and ask why they don't have bikestands
    (well, they have some wheelbenders loosely bolted into the wall by the cashpoints, but...)

    I just wheel the bike straight in and do my shopping using the basket on the front. No one bats
    an eyelid.

    ..d

  5. Quoted message said:

    In fact, I'll write to the manager of the local supermarket and ask why they don't have bikestands
    (well, they have some wheelbenders loosely bolted into the wall by the cashpoints, but...)

    Cheers,

    Hi there,

    What supermarket is it? If it is ASDA they are supposed to have adopted a policy of installing
    Sheffield stands. If the store has been there less the 5 years or so the local authority should, and
    might well have, made the use of Sheffield stands a condition of the planning consent.

    I went though all this with a new ASDA store in Hull and eventually got Sheffield stands installed,
    even though I did have to provide details of the relevant guidelines and even find a supplier. (Hull
    City Council had made the use of Sheffield stands a condition of the planning consent but brought no
    real pressure to bear on ASDA when they didn't bother putting them in...) If it is ASDA e-mail me
    and I will provide the contact details for their specification manager. Good luck! It only too a
    year for ASDA to sort of the stands I requested!

  6. In "]news:[email hidden],
    Howard <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In fact, I'll write to the manager of the local supermarket and ask why they don't have
    bikestands (well, they have some wheelbenders loosely bolted into the wall by the cashpoints,
    but...)

    Cheers,

    Hi there,

    What supermarket is it? If it is ASDA they are supposed to have adopted a policy of installing
    Sheffield stands. If the store has been there less the 5 years or so the local authority should,
    and might well have, made the use of Sheffield stands a condition of the planning consent.

    Thanks. I'm afraid it's a Morrison's and it's been there about 10-15 years, I think. I guess it's
    important to find out what they're obliged to have before writing to the manager, so I'll do so.

  7. Pete Whelan said:

    We also tried complaining to Tesco (copied to their insurers) about the grannite cobbles they use
    on the approach road into the car park, as the spaving is such that it will easily trap a 23mm
    tyre. It was sent as an official letter from the Suffolk CTC, stating that if any of our members
    had an accident due to these cobbles, then they had been forwarned, and their insurance would
    probably be invalid. So far we have not had need to claim against them.

    Which is probably fortunate because any claim would probably be met with the counterclaim that you
    were already well aware they might trap a tyre and therefore riding across them despite that was
    contributory negligence.

    Tony

  8. Tony Raven said:
    Pete Whelan said:

    We also tried complaining to Tesco (copied to their insurers) about the grannite cobbles they use
    on the approach road into the car park, as the spaving is such that it will easily trap a 23mm
    tyre. It was sent as an official letter from the Suffolk CTC, stating that if any of our members
    had an accident due to these cobbles, then they had been forwarned, and their insurance would
    probably be invalid. So far we have not had need to claim against them.

    Which is probably fortunate because any claim would probably be met with the counterclaim that you
    were already well aware they might trap a tyre and therefore riding across them despite that was
    contributory negligence.

    Tony

    But first time users wouldn't necessarily be aware of such a problem. Our approach to this kind of
    problem worked with Sainsburys. We got a copy from their insurance company saying they had a certain
    period of time to get things in order or they wouldn't be covered.

    --
    Pete

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