Springless rear derailleur?

"Scott Gordo" <[email hidden]> a écrit:

Quoted message said:

I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB,
cnc-madness 1990's. It operated using two cables pushing
and pulling the pulleys. May be a White Industries.

Quoted message said:

Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Indeed. The White Industries LMDS:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320248269731

James Thomson

James Thomson said:

"Scott Gordo" <[email hidden]> a écrit:

Quoted message said:

I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB,
cnc-madness 1990's. It operated using two cables pushing
and pulling the pulleys. May be a White Industries.
Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Indeed. The White Industries LMDS:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320248269731

James Thomson

Bingo! Thanks.

Scott Gordo said:

I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB, cnc-madness
1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling the pulleys.
May be a White Industries.

There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.

Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Cyclo RDs were like that up through the '60s, as were early Shimano
Positrons, before they switched to a solid rod.

Quoted message said:

Scott Gordo said:

I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB, cnc-madness
1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling the pulleys.
May be a White Industries.
There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.
Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Hank said:

Cyclo RDs were like that up through the '60s, as were early Shimano
Positrons, before they switched to a solid rod.

Shimano Lark-W rear changer shared the "two wire" format but was
otherwise less complex. And sold new for $4.95 too!
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Scott Gordo said:

I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB, cnc-madness
1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling the pulleys.
May be a White Industries.

There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.

Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Dear Scott,

As Hank says, think Cyclo, back to 1924.

Here's a post with links to some pictures:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/4fc02fdc4df74449

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott Gordo

Quoted message said:

I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB, cnc-madness
1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling the pulleys.
May be a White Industries.

Quoted message said:

There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.

Quoted message said:

Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Dear Scott,

As Hank says, think Cyclo, back to 1924.

Here's a post with links to some pictures:
 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/4fc02fdc4df74449

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Awesome as usual. If you're ever in NYC, I'll buy you a beer.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Scott Gordo said:

I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB,
cnc-madness 1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling
the pulleys. May be a White Industries.

There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.

Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Dear Scott,

As Hank says, think Cyclo, back to 1924.

The OP is probably referring to w White Industries derailleur designed
by Frank Berto, which was inspired by the Cyclo design.

Tim McNamara said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Scott Gordo said:

I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB,
cnc-madness 1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling
the pulleys. May be a White Industries.

There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.

Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Dear Scott,

As Hank says, think Cyclo, back to 1924.

The OP is probably referring to w White Industries derailleur designed
by Frank Berto, which was inspired by the Cyclo design.

Dear Tim,

Yes--I was addressing the original poster's question of precedent.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Scott Gordo said:

Quoted message said:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:02:37 -0700 (PDT), Scott Gordo

Quoted message said:

I'm trying to remember a rear der, I believe from the MTB, cnc-madness
1990's. It operated using two cables pushing and pulling the pulleys.
May be a White Industries.

Quoted message said:

There's likely a Carl Fogel precedent as well.

Quoted message said:

Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Dear Scott,

As Hank says, think Cyclo, back to 1924.

Here's a post with links to some pictures:
 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/4fc02fdc4df74449

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Awesome as usual. If you're ever in NYC, I'll buy you a beer.

Dear Scott,

Thanks!

But the awesome replies were actually from:

James, who knew right away which White Industries derailleur you had
in mind and found one on eBay.

Hank, who almost as quickly pointed out that the design was used by
Cyclo--and also by Shimano Positron.

And Andrew, who added that the Shimano Lark also used the design
and--for crying out loud!--knew that it sold for $4.95.

I just happened to know about the Cyclo from Berto's "Dancing Chain"
and looked it up. Those three guys would beat me easily on any quiz
show and deserve NYC hospitality more than I do.

(Not that I'll refuse if I'm ever in NYC.)

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

A Muzi said:

Shimano Lark-W rear changer shared the "two wire" format but was
otherwise less complex. And sold new for $4.95 too!

Desmodromic coolness for only 5 bucks!

Joseph

Quoted message said:

A Muzi said:

Shimano Lark-W rear changer shared the "two wire" format but was
otherwise less complex. And sold new for $4.95 too!

Quoted message said:

Desmodromic coolness for only 5 bucks!

Gee I actually found an image!
http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/shimanocatalog75/largejpg/10shimano.jpg

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Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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