Comfortable Bikes

Paul Cassel said:

I think there is a lesson here but I"m unsure what it is.

Dads around th eworld beware: don't buy a nice bike for your daughter, since
your daughter will be on that bike all the time and spend less time with
*YOU*.

Derk

Derk said:

Paul Cassel said:

I think there is a lesson here but I"m unsure what it is.

Dads around th eworld beware: don't buy a nice bike for your daughter, since
your daughter will be on that bike all the time and spend less time with
*YOU*.

Derk

No, just buy YOURSELF one too!!
Bicycling is to be ENJOYED, not ENDURED. The typical american bike if
the last 20 years is a 2 wheelrd torture rack.

I put north road bars and a decent saddle on anything I ride.
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Paul Cassel said:

My daughter is now 15. She used to be a rather enthusiastic rider mostly
as a daddy / daughter activity. She even competed in a few criteria (?).
However around the time she turned 13, she faded away from riding and
more toward spending her time at the mall, etc.

Quoted message said:

during the 6 hour event) when I got, at random, an odd looking cruiser
bike. It was one of those comfort ones which Sheldon would smile upon if
he were physically (as opposed to metaphorically) at the swap.

Can you be more specific? Is this a feet-forward bike like some
Electras, or is it a full-on cruiser bike that looks like a
reincarnation of a 1950s creation?

Quoted message said:

On a whim, I got on it and rode it. What a revaluation. I've never been
on a bike which didn't demand special clothing and a rather contorted
position. This thick tired, step through bike sat me up comfortably and
felt right in my street clothes.

I asked my daughter to also give it a try. She was very skeptical but
did try. After a few turns around the parking lot, she decided to buy
the bike.

Since that time, she's not been off of it.

Quoted message said:

Just goes to show how neat a bicycle can be if they are comfortable to
ride instead of specialized exercise equipment. I think there is a
lesson here but I"m unsure what it is.

I'm trying not to learn it! No, this is an interesting data point, and
please tell us more about this "comfy" bike.

When I'm convincing people to ride places, I usually try to get them on
something like a flat-bar 700c bike or rigid MTB as a first ride.

I'm going to make one wild guess and suggest that you live in a pretty
flat place, too.

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Paul Cassel said:

My daughter is now 15. She used to be a rather enthusiastic rider mostly
as a daddy / daughter activity. She even competed in a few criteria (?).
However around the time she turned 13, she faded away from riding and
more toward spending her time at the mall, etc. She remained a fantastic
walker thinking nothing of walking from home to her school 10 miles away.

We remained active in the local advocacy group especially manning the
yearly 'bike swap' event which is the group's main money raiser. This
year we were rolling out the bikes (the swap sells perhaps 400 bikes
during the 6 hour event) when I got, at random, an odd looking cruiser
bike. It was one of those comfort ones which Sheldon would smile upon if
he were physically (as opposed to metaphorically) at the swap.

On a whim, I got on it and rode it. What a revaluation. I've never been
on a bike which didn't demand special clothing and a rather contorted
position. This thick tired, step through bike sat me up comfortably and
felt right in my street clothes.

I asked my daughter to also give it a try. She was very skeptical but
did try. After a few turns around the parking lot, she decided to buy
the bike.

Since that time, she's not been off of it. She rides it everywhere even
though she has a learner's driving permit. Frex, a few days ago she
needed to go to her *driving school* for a lesson. I offered to ride
shotgun in the truck but she preferred riding her bicycle there. She's
enjoying the bike so much that she has faded away from wanting to drive
with me.

Just goes to show how neat a bicycle can be if they are comfortable to
ride instead of specialized exercise equipment. I think there is a
lesson here but I"m unsure what it is.

-paul

Here in The Netherlands the roads are swarmed with those comfortable
bikes especially this holiday weekend. The weather is fantastic for
riding bike. Live is good.

Lou

Ryan Cousineau said:

Can you be more specific? Is this a feet-forward bike like some
Electras, or is it a full-on cruiser bike that looks like a
reincarnation of a 1950s creation?

Closest would be an Electra. The top of the headset is above the seat
level which gives it, to me, an awkward look. The seat post is suspended.

My wife and I rented single speeds in Key West which outwardly resembled
this bike, but the rentals were also coaster braked (a bad idea, IMO).
This bike is a 24 speed with decent components but mostly the frame is
done well enough that the bike rides ok. Also there are conventional
brakes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just goes to show how neat a bicycle can be if they are comfortable to
ride instead of specialized exercise equipment. I think there is a
lesson here but I"m unsure what it is.

I'm trying not to learn it! No, this is an interesting data point, and
please tell us more about this "comfy" bike.

When I'm convincing people to ride places, I usually try to get them on
something like a flat-bar 700c bike or rigid MTB as a first ride.

I'm going to make one wild guess and suggest that you live in a pretty
flat place, too.

That's the trick - we don't. We're in Albuquerque, NM and her riding
area is almost never flat but never very steep either. I'd estimate the
tires at maybe 36 mm.

The winning combination here is decent frame and decent components in a
comfortable arrangement. In the past, all the bikes of this profile I
encountered were 60 lb monstrosities with cast iron frames and crappy
components.

This bike is practical and fun to ride PLUS you can ride it in street
clothes. I was sort of hoping my daughter would tire of the bike and
then I'd ride it to work but my wife said she has first dibs if daughter
tires. We both currently ride in 'costume' making the changing, etc.
tedious.

-paul

Lou Holtman said:

Here in The Netherlands the roads are swarmed with those comfortable
bikes especially this holiday weekend. The weather is fantastic for
riding bike. Live is good.

The bike looks like a typical bike ridden in the Netherlands. My
daughter is full of wonder that a bike which feels comfortable riding at
no more than about 10 mph can get places this rapidly. She's used the
head down 'racer' style where even 16 mph is slow.

I'm 10 miles (16 km) from work. If you factor in the time it takes me to
change clothes, I'd have a shorter commute on this bike than on my
'racer' style.

-paul

Paul Cassel has brought this to us :

Quoted message said:

My daughter is now 15. She used to be a rather enthusiastic rider mostly as a
daddy / daughter activity. She even competed in a few criteria (?). However
around the time she turned 13, she faded away from riding and more toward
spending her time at the mall, etc. She remained a fantastic walker thinking
nothing of walking from home to her school 10 miles away.

We remained active in the local advocacy group especially manning the yearly
'bike swap' event which is the group's main money raiser. This year we were
rolling out the bikes (the swap sells perhaps 400 bikes during the 6 hour
event) when I got, at random, an odd looking cruiser bike. It was one of
those comfort ones which Sheldon would smile upon if he were physically (as
opposed to metaphorically) at the swap.

On a whim, I got on it and rode it. What a revaluation. I've never been on a
bike which didn't demand special clothing and a rather contorted position.
This thick tired, step through bike sat me up comfortably and felt right in
my street clothes.

I asked my daughter to also give it a try. She was very skeptical but did
try. After a few turns around the parking lot, she decided to buy the bike.

Since that time, she's not been off of it. She rides it everywhere even
though she has a learner's driving permit. Frex, a few days ago she needed to
go to her *driving school* for a lesson. I offered to ride shotgun in the
truck but she preferred riding her bicycle there. She's enjoying the bike so
much that she has faded away from wanting to drive with me.

Just goes to show how neat a bicycle can be if they are comfortable to ride
instead of specialized exercise equipment. I think there is a lesson here but
I"m unsure what it is.

-paul

Wish you luck with you daughter's attitude!

More A'cans should do that!

When my Boston based brother rode on his bike to the soccer field to
coach his team, guys asked repeatedly if his car was broken.....

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Paul Cassel said:

Lou Holtman said:

Here in The Netherlands the roads are swarmed with those comfortable
bikes especially this holiday weekend. The weather is fantastic for
riding bike. Live is good.

The bike looks like a typical bike ridden in the Netherlands. My
daughter is full of wonder that a bike which feels comfortable riding at
no more than about 10 mph can get places this rapidly. She's used the
head down 'racer' style where even 16 mph is slow.

I'm 10 miles (16 km) from work. If you factor in the time it takes me to
change clothes, I'd have a shorter commute on this bike than on my
'racer' style.

-paul

What pushes me into changing clothes for a commute is less about the
bike, and more about either sweating or wearing out the crotches of nice
pants.

The secondary consideration is comfort on rides of that distance.

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Paul Cassel said:

Lou Holtman said:

Here in The Netherlands the roads are swarmed with those comfortable
bikes especially this holiday weekend. The weather is fantastic for
riding bike. Live is good.

The bike looks like a typical bike ridden in the Netherlands. My
daughter is full of wonder that a bike which feels comfortable riding at
no more than about 10 mph can get places this rapidly. She's used the
head down 'racer' style where even 16 mph is slow.

16 MPH *is* slow 🙂 I guess that is why they make different kinds of
bikes for different kinds of people. I just like speed, plain and
simple. Some people enjoy a leisurely ride and that's OK too.

I do get your point, though - there are so many bikes on the market for
various racing purposes, but try to find a *quality* bike that is just a
good bike for tooling around. With few exceptions, you basically have
to buy a bike that is optimized for the kind of racing that sort-of
describes your riding style, and try to find one with the appropriate
braze-ons etc. for the [censored] you're going to want to add. I did
recommend a Schwinn Coffee for a friend's wife based on comments here
though, I hope I did not lead them astray (assuming that they're
actually going to go look at one, that is.)

nate

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Paul Cassel said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

Can you be more specific? Is this a feet-forward bike like some
Electras, or is it a full-on cruiser bike that looks like a
reincarnation of a 1950s creation?

Closest would be an Electra. The top of the headset is above the seat
level which gives it, to me, an awkward look.
....

Quoted message said:

....
The winning combination here is decent frame and decent components in a
comfortable arrangement. In the past, all the bikes of this profile I
encountered were 60 lb monstrosities with cast iron frames and crappy
components.

This bike is practical and fun to ride PLUS you can ride it in street
clothes. I was sort of hoping my daughter would tire of the bike and
then I'd ride it to work but my wife said she has first dibs if daughter
tires. We both currently ride in 'costume' making the changing, etc.
tedious.

-paul

You should look at the RANS crank-forward bikes, specifically the "crank
forward" models. These are the bikes that Electra Townies wish they were
born as.
http://www.ransbikes.com/

I have a 2006 Fusion, specifically. It can be ridden in street clothes
but they're not ideal. I wear recumbent shorts that are lycra, but
without any padding.

A lot of non-bicycle-riders think it's perfect, but I would want to try
a Dynamik if I had to do it over again. The Fusion can be adjusted so
that you're sitting perfectly upright (which is very comfortable for
someone who does not ride regularly) but it's hard to ride at a fast
pace that way. To me, it always seems like my chest is catching a lot of
air. For casual riding it is great--much less seat pain, no hand
pressure or neck strain.
~

DougC said:

I have a 2006 Fusion, specifically. It can be ridden in street clothes
but they're not ideal. I wear recumbent shorts that are lycra, but
without any padding.

Where do you find these? I have *one* pair that I bought maybe 10 years
ago that didn't get worn out/thrown out/whatever. Not being a hardcore
spandex-and-jersey guy, I usually ride in boxer briefs under cargo
shorts but the lycra feels nicer (less chafing.) I'm not a big fan of
the padding, even on a road/CX bike, I'm not sure how much it really
helps me (I don't often get a sore butt, at least not with the mileage
that I typically ride) and it's one more thing to get sweaty and nasty -
which is a real concern if you're a damnyankee forced to live near DC,
a.k.a. Our Nation's First Swamp.

nate

(80 degrees is hot. I don't care what you southerners say.)

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DougC said:

Paul Cassel wrote:

Quoted message said:

You should look at the RANS crank-forward bikes, specifically the "crank
forward" models. These are the bikes that Electra Townies wish they were
born as.
http://www.ransbikes.com/

My friend has one and I've ridden it. Very impressive. The one my
daughter got isn't pedal forward and also is a lot less expensive. My
price on it (new) was U$250.

Ryan Cousineau said:

What pushes me into changing clothes for a commute is less about the
bike, and more about either sweating or wearing out the crotches of nice
pants.

The secondary consideration is comfort on rides of that distance.

I know now that part of the reason she didn't use her other bikes for
commuting was that she didn't want to dress up, dress down, carry
clothes. There is something mellow about this bike which makes the
effort to ride it about the same as walking. I'm content going maybe 10
mph or even less for all I know. I'm hoping to prise it from her to see
if I can commute on it in street clothes w/o the sweat issue.

I suppose I could ride my regular bikes in street clothes for short
distances by taking a few precautions, but the only time I tried I got a
cuff caught in a chainring ruining a pair of decent trousers.

Nate Nagel said:

Paul Cassel wrote:

I do get your point, though - there are so many bikes on the market for
various racing purposes, but try to find a *quality* bike that is just a
good bike for tooling around. With few exceptions, you basically have
to buy a bike that is optimized for the kind of racing that sort-of
describes your riding style, and try to find one with the appropriate
braze-ons etc. for the [censored] you're going to want to add. I did
recommend a Schwinn Coffee for a friend's wife based on comments here
though, I hope I did not lead them astray (assuming that they're
actually going to go look at one, that is.)

My daughter eyed a 'cream' but settled on this bike. I think the bike
she got was more comfortable than the cream. I heard there was a coffee
around somewheres, but I never saw it.

The bike is definitely within the theme of the coffee / cream ones. One
note - my daughter is fairly athletic. She sometimes runs 5 miles just
to shake a few webs out. So maybe a person who is sedentary won't enjoy
the coffee as much as she is enjoying her bike.

Nate Nagel said:

DougC said:

I have a 2006 Fusion, specifically. It can be ridden in street clothes
but they're not ideal. I wear recumbent shorts that are lycra, but
without any padding.

Where do you find these? I have *one* pair that I bought maybe 10 years
ago that didn't get worn out/thrown out/whatever. Not being a hardcore
spandex-and-jersey guy, I usually ride in boxer briefs under cargo
shorts but the lycra feels nicer (less chafing.) I'm not a big fan of
the padding, even on a road/CX bike, I'm not sure how much it really
helps me (I don't often get a sore butt, at least not with the mileage
that I typically ride) and it's one more thing to get sweaty and nasty -
which is a real concern if you're a damnyankee forced to live near DC,
a.k.a. Our Nation's First Swamp.

nate

(80 degrees is hot. I don't care what you southerners say.)

Hostel Shoppe sells some, I prefer the Volae shorts.
http://www.hostelshoppe.com/

Kucharik also sells some recumbent shorts that have "thin padding". I've
not tried them myself.

Other people have mentioned using various synthetic exercise and rowing
shorts, but the problems with these is that they usually aren't intended
to be worn without underwear (the fabrics can stretch and become rather
transparent at certain angles). And if you have to wear something under
them, then the whole point fails.
-----
Cotton pants of any kind is bad for riding.
And the problem with regular shorts (on a recumbent or the RANS c-f
bikes) is scooping bugs in the pantlegs.
~

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Quoted message said:

On a whim, I got on it and rode it. What a revaluation. I've never been on
a bike which didn't demand special clothing and a rather contorted
position. This thick tired, step through bike sat me up comfortably and
felt right in my street clothes.

....

Quoted message said:

Just goes to show how neat a bicycle can be if they are comfortable to
ride instead of specialized exercise equipment. I think there is a lesson
here but I"m unsure what it is.

It's not just about the shape of the bike, it's the attitude. Bikes were
originally transport, not exercise equipment - they're there to make getting
places easier, the opposite of exercise!

Bikes should always be comfortable to ride (ok, high-level competition is
probably a fair exception). And there should be a place in everybody's life
for a bike to be used for everyday life, rather than just lycra-clad sport
(my bike covers both :-) ).

When I want to get somewhere on my bike, I do it - no specialised gear (*),
I wear exactly what I wear the rest of the time. This is how it should be.
The bike can cope with all weathers, all lighting conditions. Again, this is
how it should be. Riding a bike isn't 'special', it's normal.

And when I want to take exercise rather than just get somewhere, I put the
lycra on and head off.

So yes, if you found your bike was uncomfortable and required specialised
clothing, something was wrong. I'm glad you've found what it is, and wish
you luck in letting the fun continue :-)

(* ok, I cheat a bit here - I've got SPDs, but I'm old and unfashionable
enough to get away with those as normal footwear :-) )

cheers,
clive

DougC said:

Nate Nagel said:

DougC said:

I have a 2006 Fusion, specifically. It can be ridden in street
clothes but they're not ideal. I wear recumbent shorts that are
lycra, but without any padding.

Where do you find these? I have *one* pair that I bought maybe 10
years ago that didn't get worn out/thrown out/whatever. Not being a
hardcore spandex-and-jersey guy, I usually ride in boxer briefs under
cargo shorts but the lycra feels nicer (less chafing.) I'm not a big
fan of the padding, even on a road/CX bike, I'm not sure how much it
really helps me (I don't often get a sore butt, at least not with the
mileage that I typically ride) and it's one more thing to get sweaty
and nasty - which is a real concern if you're a damnyankee forced to
live near DC, a.k.a. Our Nation's First Swamp.

nate

(80 degrees is hot. I don't care what you southerners say.)

Hostel Shoppe sells some, I prefer the Volae shorts.
http://www.hostelshoppe.com/

Kucharik also sells some recumbent shorts that have "thin padding". I've
not tried them myself.

Other people have mentioned using various synthetic exercise and rowing
shorts, but the problems with these is that they usually aren't intended
to be worn without underwear (the fabrics can stretch and become rather
transparent at certain angles). And if you have to wear something under
them, then the whole point fails.
-----
Cotton pants of any kind is bad for riding.
And the problem with regular shorts (on a recumbent or the RANS c-f
bikes) is scooping bugs in the pantlegs.
~

Thanks for the ideas. I'm usually wearing these *AS* underwear, and on
a standard diamond-frame bike, so no worries there. Like I said, I
typically just ride in cargo shorts (so I can carry keys/wallet/cell
etc. without having to carry a backpack,) just want something underneath
so the insides of my legs don't get chafed on the nose of the saddle.
Sort of like MTB shorts, but without the padding, and in two pieces.

nate

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I do get your point, though - there are so many bikes on the market for
various racing purposes, but try to find a *quality* bike that is just a
good bike for tooling around.

Hooray for rightpondia :-) Touring bikes never died out, or if you want
something a bit nippier, an audax bike makes a darn fine utility bike.
Mudguards, rack, lights, comfort.

cheers,
clive

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I suppose I could ride my regular bikes in street clothes for short
distances by taking a few precautions, but the only time I tried I got a
cuff caught in a chainring ruining a pair of decent trousers.

:-)

Something you learn about as a kid if you ride to school in long trousers.

Socks, trouser clips, or rolling up the trousers. Don't worry about looking
'dorky' - life's to short to miss out on fun because of worries about
appearance :-)

cheers,
clive