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  1. Rode down to LBS today, explained my headlight dilemma (cross bike,
    difficult to find space to mount headlight) and after explaining desired
    use - allowing me to ride after dark, because I don't often have the
    opportunity to ride during the day, save on weekends - they recommended
    this:

    http://www.abikestore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=mini-newt&Category_Code=&Store_Code=pbs

    Looks like a sweet little piece, but the price tag is almost half as
    much as I paid for my bike! (granted, it cost a good bit more than that
    new... but I *am* trying to maintain some semblance of a budget here.)

    Am I silly in thinking I ought to be able to find something "acceptable"
    for less? or should I suck it up and buy it? Can anyone recommend any
    products in particular?

    BTW riding with a computer for the first time is a really humbling
    experience. I had never gone on a real ride with one before today...
    My average speed is slow, my cadence is pathetic... I guess that's why
    they sell the darn things, so you can find out what you need to work on.
    I *really* need to get my leg speed up - I don't even feel comfortable
    over about 70 RPM. Maybe I should take the 53 off and put the 46 on to
    force me to pedal faster if I want to maintain a reasonable speed?

    Thanks,

    nate

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  2. Per Nate Nagel:

    Quoted message said:

    Am I silly in thinking I ought to be able to find something "acceptable"
    for less? or should I suck it up and buy it? Can anyone recommend any
    products in particular?

    Lowe's "Task Force" flashlight - the one that takes 2 C cells and
    contains a Cree 4w emitter. http://tinyurl.com/4ev9ly

    About thirty bucks.

    Puts out an astonishing amount of light and the batteries last a
    long time. I accidentally left one on for one or two days (not
    sure which) and it was still putting out light when I discovered
    it was on.

    For comparison, I have an officially-sanctioned, European
    something-or-other safety standard halogen headlight on my bike
    whose light output is just totally pathetic compared to the
    Lowe's flashlight.

    Before the OP (understandably....) dismisses this as someone's
    ravings, maybe somebody else can chime in on how much light this
    thing puts out.
    --
    PeteCresswell

  3. (PeteCresswell) said:

    Per Nate Nagel:

    Quoted message said:

    Am I silly in thinking I ought to be able to find something "acceptable"
    for less? or should I suck it up and buy it? Can anyone recommend any
    products in particular?

    Lowe's "Task Force" flashlight - the one that takes 2 C cells and
    contains a Cree 4w emitter. http://tinyurl.com/4ev9ly

    About thirty bucks.

    Puts out an astonishing amount of light and the batteries last a
    long time. I accidentally left one on for one or two days (not
    sure which) and it was still putting out light when I discovered
    it was on.

    For comparison, I have an officially-sanctioned, European
    something-or-other safety standard halogen headlight on my bike
    whose light output is just totally pathetic compared to the
    Lowe's flashlight.

    Before the OP (understandably....) dismisses this as someone's
    ravings, maybe somebody else can chime in on how much light this
    thing puts out.

    Actually I'm not dismissing anything at this point, although I was
    hoping for a more, um, aesthetically appealing solution. How do you
    mount it? I'm envisioning a small piece of softwood or plastic shaped
    with a hole saw and then cut apart to allow the flash, er, headlight to
    be held firmly on the handlebars...

    At this point, I'm about ready to take the headlight mount for the light
    I've already bought and do something to it with a hose clamp; it's
    worthless to me as it is, so... so long as I don't damage my
    handlebars, and nobody looks too closely (and by that time they're
    already laughing at my extra-Freddy pedals, another budget concession)
    who cares?

    nate

    --
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  4. (PeteCresswell) said:

    Per Nate Nagel:

    Quoted message said:

    Am I silly in thinking I ought to be able to find something "acceptable"
    for less? or should I suck it up and buy it? Can anyone recommend any
    products in particular?

    Lowe's "Task Force" flashlight - the one that takes 2 C cells and
    contains a Cree 4w emitter. http://tinyurl.com/4ev9ly

    About thirty bucks.

    Puts out an astonishing amount of light and the batteries last a
    long time. I accidentally left one on for one or two days (not
    sure which) and it was still putting out light when I discovered
    it was on.

    For comparison, I have an officially-sanctioned, European
    something-or-other safety standard halogen headlight on my bike
    whose light output is just totally pathetic compared to the
    Lowe's flashlight.

    Before the OP (understandably....) dismisses this as someone's
    ravings, maybe somebody else can chime in on how much light this
    thing puts out.

    this one?

    http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=225285-50584-FT-NS-2C%203W&lpage=none

    looks tempting, if nothing else I could always use another decent
    flashlight (I have two cars, a pickup truck, and a company car...)

    nate

    --
    replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
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  5. Nate Nagel said:

    Rode down to LBS today, explained my headlight dilemma (cross bike,
    difficult to find space to mount headlight) and after explaining desired
    use - allowing me to ride after dark, because I don't often have the
    opportunity to ride during the day, save on weekends -

    Got an message today from Marty Goodman (the Sheldon Brown of
    flashlights -- google him) describing the brightest LED light he has in
    his testing lab. You may want to modify it a bit because it is not a
    bicycle light and it seems none of the best ones are. Maybe liability
    problems?

    I'll paste in what he said:

    Report on Romisen RC-T5 regulated 4 Cree LED flashlight:

    This is the brightest LED flashlight I have. AND it cost a bit under
    $50, with the four CR123 batteries it runs off, and a holster, at
    DealExtreme.com.

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10452

    Regulation:

    Here are voltage vs current and watts drawn tables for the hi and low
    modes (it also has an intense strobing mode)

    high power low power
    volts amps watts amps watts
    ----- ---- ----- ---- -----
    6.0 .25 1.50 .11 .66
    6.5 .48 3.12 .20 1.30
    7.0 .73 5.11 .30 2.10
    8.0 .75 6.00 .32 2.56
    8.5 .78 6.63 .33 2.64
    9.0 .78 7.02 .33 3.00
    9.5 .76 7.22 .32 3.04
    10.0 .73 7.30 .31 3.10
    10.5 .70 7.35 .29 3.05
    11.0 .68 7.45 .28 3.08
    11.5 .64 7.36 .27 3.11
    12.0 .61 7.32 .26 3.12
    12.5 .59 7.38 .25 3.13
    13.0 .56 7.28 .24 3.12
    13.5 .55 7.43 .23 3.12
    14.0 .53 7.42 .22 3.08
    14.5 .51 7.40 .22 3.20
    15.0 .49 7.35 .21 3.15

    Thus, regulation is EXCELLENT between 9 and 15 volts in (I didn't
    test beyond 15 volts, since this flashlight was designed to work off
    either a 9 or 12 volt set of batteries (3 or 4 CR123 cells).

    The thing is made of rugged metal.

    All in all, while obviously NOT a high end product with carefully bin
    picked emitters and ultra sophisticated circuitry driving the LEDs ultra
    hard (in fact, this drives them VERY gently... presumeably resulting in
    manageable heat to dissipate and slightly greater efficiency, perhaps,
    too) this seems to me a VERY good value in a rugged, highly regulated,
    high power flashlight.

    And the head DOES unscrew, for those wanting to make neat backpacking
    headlamp or bike light projects out of it.

    ---marty

  6. "Nate Nagel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Rode down to LBS today, explained my headlight dilemma (cross bike,
    difficult to find space to mount headlight) and after explaining desired
    use - allowing me to ride after dark, because I don't often have the
    opportunity to ride during the day, save on weekends - they recommended
    this:


    http://www.dinottelighting.com/

    you will thank me later.

    J.

  7. (PeteCresswell) said:

    Per Nate Nagel:

    Quoted message said:

    Am I silly in thinking I ought to be able to find something "acceptable"
    for less? or should I suck it up and buy it? Can anyone recommend any
    products in particular?

    Lowe's "Task Force" flashlight - the one that takes 2 C cells and
    contains a Cree 4w emitter. http://tinyurl.com/4ev9ly

    About thirty bucks.

    Costco has a similar flashlight with the same emitter, also cheap with
    a nice alu case. Should be easy to mod a mount for it.

    It all depends on whether you need to see or be seen. I just have a
    cheap Sigma LED JB welded under my front platform rack. Plenty for the
    city.

  8. Nate Nagel said:


    PeteCresswell said:


    Before the OP (understandably....) dismisses this as someone's
    ravings, maybe somebody else can chime in on how much light this
    thing puts out.

    this one?

    http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=225285-...

    That's the one-- the best value in a flashlight that you don't have to
    buy online from Hong Kong. It's shockingly bright, and it uses real
    voltage conversion unlike most other low-budget LED lights. It even
    comes with decent batteries.

    But it makes a much better bike light if you buy some replacement
    optics from Hong Kong:

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1919

    I got a pack of these optics, and they convert the beam from a small,
    intense round spot to a broad horizontal band that is just right for
    general road use.

    The catalog page says they are glass-- they are in fact made of
    plastic-- and it says they're diffusers, when they are actually
    collimators.

    I think TwoFish Cyclopblocks work with lights the size of the Task
    Force 2C light, at least if you pull off the rubber sleeve. Another
    thing to consider getting is a pair of AA-to-C battery adapters so you
    can use cheap and convenient AA rechargeables.

    Chalo

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nate Nagel said:

    Rode down to LBS today, explained my headlight dilemma (cross bike,
    difficult to find space to mount headlight) and after explaining
    desired use - allowing me to ride after dark, because I don't often
    have the opportunity to ride during the day, save on weekends - they
    recommended this:

    http://www.abikestore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_C
    ode=mini -newt&Category_Code=&Store_Code=pbs

    Good grief. How long are you planning to ride after dark? An hour? Two
    hours? Four? This is an important factor in your decision.

    Quoted message said:

    Am I silly in thinking I ought to be able to find something
    "acceptable" for less? or should I suck it up and buy it? Can
    anyone recommend any products in particular?

    No, no and yes.

    The first question IMHO is whether you want a battery light or a
    generator light. If you're going to be doing long rides at night, get
    the latter so that you don't have to worry about batteries. But if
    you're looking for, say, light for an hour or so after sunset then a
    battery light can be a good choice.

    If you're riding longer at night- say over two hours- or just really
    like dead-simple convenience, I would recommend a hub generator. There
    are several from Shimano that are very good and one from Schmidt which
    is superb (but it'd be about $400 to get it built into a wheel, etc.;
    the Shimano options cost much less). And you can keep the wheel and
    lamp and use it on your next bike, too- it'll last for years if not
    decades. I have a Schmidt hub and a Lumotec headlamp- other than
    replacing bulbs a couple of times, this setup has served me very well
    for 5+ years and I expect it to last for another 20 years.

    With the rapid changes in LEDs and battery technologies, battery powered
    lights have really started to get useable- more light and longer run
    times. Several participants in this newsgroup have reported good
    results with certain flashlights bought at Home Depot and places like
    that, which have a 5W Luxeon LED, are compact, use normal batteries,
    etc. With a TwoFish mounting block they are easy to mount to a bike.
    This might be a more flexible arrangement than buying a "bike headlight."

    Quoted message said:

    BTW riding with a computer for the first time is a really humbling
    experience.

    No accessory that you can install on your bike will slow it down as much
    as a computer.

  10. Tim McNamara said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nate Nagel said:

    Rode down to LBS today, explained my headlight dilemma (cross bike,
    difficult to find space to mount headlight) and after explaining
    desired use - allowing me to ride after dark, because I don't often
    have the opportunity to ride during the day, save on weekends - they
    recommended this:

    http://www.abikestore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_C
    ode=mini -newt&Category_Code=&Store_Code=pbs

    Good grief. How long are you planning to ride after dark? An hour? Two
    hours? Four? This is an important factor in your decision.

    Probably at least an hour, maybe more. Not so important now, that it's
    staying light later... not to get all windy, but my goal is to get my
    bike set up so that I can use it for real transportation. I can't
    commute on it for various reasons, but I *would* like to be able to use
    it for light store runs, running to the post office, etc. - all the
    stuff that I normally do in my car but is within a mile or two of my
    house. Two reasons - I finally live in a somewhat bike-friendly area,
    and I feel mildly guilty about using my car so much. Also, I'm turning
    into a fat sack of [censored] - I'm about 15 lbs. over what I'd feel
    comfortable weighing, and I'd be lying if I said that I still had all
    the muscle mass that I did in high school or college. So I may simply
    choose to go for a ride even if I don't have an errand to run, esp.
    seeing as there's an intersection with the W&OD trail less than a mile
    from my house so I have somewhere to ride if I don't feel like dicing
    with traffic. The major impediment to me doing this seems to be
    daylight, therefore my query - it's a problem that can easily be solved
    with just a little (?) cash.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Am I silly in thinking I ought to be able to find something
    "acceptable" for less? or should I suck it up and buy it? Can
    anyone recommend any products in particular?

    No, no and yes.

    The first question IMHO is whether you want a battery light or a
    generator light. If you're going to be doing long rides at night, get
    the latter so that you don't have to worry about batteries. But if
    you're looking for, say, light for an hour or so after sunset then a
    battery light can be a good choice.

    If you're riding longer at night- say over two hours- or just really
    like dead-simple convenience, I would recommend a hub generator. There
    are several from Shimano that are very good and one from Schmidt which
    is superb (but it'd be about $400 to get it built into a wheel, etc.;
    the Shimano options cost much less). And you can keep the wheel and
    lamp and use it on your next bike, too- it'll last for years if not
    decades. I have a Schmidt hub and a Lumotec headlamp- other than
    replacing bulbs a couple of times, this setup has served me very well
    for 5+ years and I expect it to last for another 20 years.

    That sounds like an ideal setup for me, but it isn't in the budget now.
    (your hypothetical front wheel costs about what I paid for my whole
    bike, and I seem to be finding that buying all the little must haves -
    water bottles, blinky, frame pump, multitool, seat bag, etc. are adding
    up) Plus it appeals to my engineering weenie/must last forever, no
    maintenance, no changing batteries etc. preferences. Maybe down the road.

    Quoted message said:

    With the rapid changes in LEDs and battery technologies, battery powered
    lights have really started to get useable- more light and longer run
    times. Several participants in this newsgroup have reported good
    results with certain flashlights bought at Home Depot and places like
    that, which have a 5W Luxeon LED, are compact, use normal batteries,
    etc. With a TwoFish mounting block they are easy to mount to a bike.


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Quoted message said:

    This might be a more flexible arrangement than buying a "bike headlight."

    Thank you! That's what I was missing... after the first couple
    responses to this thread I was figuring how to fab that exact part in my
    head, but I see someone's already saved me the trouble, which is good,
    'cause I'm lazy 🙂 I gotta get me one of those; even if I do upgrade to
    a "real" headlight, that's a handy little thing to have around in a pinch.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    BTW riding with a computer for the first time is a really humbling
    experience.

    No accessory that you can install on your bike will slow it down as much
    as a computer.

    I'm not sure here if you're making a joke, imagining me with a tower
    case bungeed to a rack, or if you're actually making a point about
    paying too much attention to the numbers...

    nate

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  11. Per Nate Nagel:

    Quoted message said:

    this one?

    http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=225285-50584-FT-NS-2C%203W&lpage=none

    looks tempting, if nothing else I could always use another decent
    flashlight (I have two cars, a pickup truck, and a company car...)

    That be the one.

    They make good gifts too bco the unusually good functionality.
    --
    PeteCresswell

  12. Per Nate Nagel:

    Quoted message said:

    How do you
    mount it? I'm envisioning a small piece of softwood or plastic shaped
    with a hole saw and then cut apart to allow the flash, er, headlight to
    be held firmly on the handlebars...

    I just hold it in one hand. There have, however, been a number
    of home-brew mounting systems shown by others in other threads.

    --
    PeteCresswell

  13. "Nate Nagel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Rode down to LBS today, explained my headlight dilemma (cross bike,
    difficult to find space to mount headlight) and after explaining desired
    use - allowing me to ride after dark, because I don't often have the
    opportunity to ride during the day, save on weekends - they recommended
    this:

    http://www.abikestore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=mini-newt&Category_Code=&Store_Code=pbs

    Looks like a sweet little piece, but the price tag is almost half as much
    as I paid for my bike!


    How much would it cost to drag your wrecked bike and injured body by
    ambulance to the nearest hospital? Because you were penny wise on your bike
    headlight?!

    An ambulance ALONE is $1,000 USD. Plus the hospital bill. Plus the ER DR
    bill.

    If you go with a cheapie headlight, I hope you have great group insurance
    coverage. Otherwise, you are undoubtedly financially SCREWED.

    There is NO FREE LUNCH.

    J.

  14. Jay said:

    "Nate Nagel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Rode down to LBS today, explained my headlight dilemma (cross bike,
    difficult to find space to mount headlight) and after explaining desired
    use - allowing me to ride after dark, because I don't often have the
    opportunity to ride during the day, save on weekends - they recommended
    this:

    http://www.abikestore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=mini-newt&Category_Code=&Store_Code=pbs

    Looks like a sweet little piece, but the price tag is almost half as much
    as I paid for my bike!

    How much would it cost to drag your wrecked bike and injured body by
    ambulance to the nearest hospital? Because you were penny wise on your bike
    headlight?!

    An ambulance ALONE is $1,000 USD. Plus the hospital bill. Plus the ER DR
    bill.

    If you go with a cheapie headlight, I hope you have great group insurance
    coverage. Otherwise, you are undoubtedly financially SCREWED.

    There is NO FREE LUNCH.

    J.

    I realize this, but I'm sure that there's something a little heavier,
    larger, whatever that will do the same job for less money. I'm not
    talking about compromising on light, but on aesthetics or weight
    (cutting out the malt sodas would probably do a better job of both than
    buying an expensive micro-headlight, and you don't see me doing that, do
    you?)

    I might as well embrace my fredness and investigate the LED flashlight
    options. I've seen several presented that look appealing. Apparently
    this is a new concept only to me as I've already found three purpose
    made mounts since I started this thread.

    Telling everyone that wants to ride at night that they need to spend
    $180 on a headlight is fine, I guess, if you want to encourage people
    not to ride...

    nate

    --
    replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
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  15. Jay said:


    How much would it cost to drag your wrecked bike and injured body by
    ambulance to the nearest hospital? Because you were penny wise on your bike
    headlight?!

    An ambulance ALONE is $1,000 USD. Plus the hospital bill. Plus the ER DR
    bill.

    If you go with a cheapie headlight, I hope you have great group insurance
    coverage. Otherwise, you are undoubtedly financially SCREWED.

    Funny that so many of us have ridden so long and so far with nothing
    more than the most rudimentary, cheap lighting-- or even just
    reflectors and no actual lights at all.

    I have figured out a whole bunch of ways to get hurt on my bike, but
    using inadequate illumination has not been one of them so far. Good
    (or good and expensive) lighting is something I'd put in the "nice to
    have" category.

    Anyway, a $30 Task Force light or a $20 Hong Kong LED light is a way
    more serious piece of bike lighting equipment than you used to be able
    to buy for less than $100.

    Chalo

  16. Nate Nagel said:

    Jay wrote:

    I realize this, but I'm sure that there's something a little heavier,
    larger, whatever that will do the same job for less money.  I'm not
    talking about compromising on light, but on aesthetics or weight
    (cutting out the malt sodas would probably do a better job of both than
    buying an expensive micro-headlight, and you don't see me doing that, do
    you?)

    I might as well embrace my fredness and investigate the LED flashlight
    options.  I've seen several presented that look appealing.  Apparently
    this is a new concept only to me as I've already found three purpose
    made mounts since I started this thread.

    Telling everyone that wants to ride at night that they need to spend
    $180 on a headlight is fine, I guess, if you want to encourage people
    not to ride...

    nate

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    - Show quoted text -


    I commute 5,000 miles yearly in Chicago every day of the year
    regardless of weather or darkness. In the winter it is in the dark
    both morning and night. 5am mornings, 6pm at night.

    I ride no more than 15 MPH. Even so, it is easy to ride faster than I
    can see in the dark.

    I do know one thing: One cannot impart wisdom. Wisdom must be either
    experienced or otherwise embraced.

    Wisdom CANNOT be learned by Usenet or any other means.

    J.

  17. Nate Nagel said:
    Jay said:

    "Nate Nagel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Rode down to LBS today, explained my headlight dilemma (cross bike,
    difficult to find space to mount headlight) and after explaining desired
    use - allowing me to ride after dark, because I don't often have the
    opportunity to ride during the day, save on weekends - they recommended
    this:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.abikestore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_....

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Looks like a sweet little piece, but the price tag is almost half as much
    as I paid for my bike!

    Quoted message said:

    How much would it cost to drag your wrecked bike and injured body by
    ambulance to the nearest hospital? Because you were penny wise on your bike
    headlight?!

    Quoted message said:

    An ambulance ALONE is $1,000 USD. Plus the hospital bill. Plus the ER DR
    bill.

    Quoted message said:

    If you go with a cheapie headlight, I hope you have great group insurance
    coverage. Otherwise, you are undoubtedly financially SCREWED.

    Quoted message said:

    There is NO FREE LUNCH.

    Quoted message said:

    J.

    I realize this, but I'm sure that there's something a little heavier,
    larger, whatever that will do the same job for less money.  I'm not
    talking about compromising on light, but on aesthetics or weight
    (cutting out the malt sodas would probably do a better job of both than
    buying an expensive micro-headlight, and you don't see me doing that, do
    you?)

    I might as well embrace my fredness and investigate the LED flashlight
    options.  I've seen several presented that look appealing.  Apparently
    this is a new concept only to me as I've already found three purpose
    made mounts since I started this thread.

    Telling everyone that wants to ride at night that they need to spend
    $180 on a headlight is fine, I guess, if you want to encourage people
    not to ride...

    nate

    I tend to agree with Jay, though I haven't actually gone as far as
    buying Dinotte lights.

    But then I'm not a commuter, more in your position of occasionally
    wanting a nighttime ride because the day has been awful for one reason
    or another. If find dynamo and hub generator lights, both of which I
    have on various bikes, to be not quite good enough for riding even
    gently along known but unlit (blacktop) lanes, and quite useless for
    riding onto the estates of friends. If you want to see, and especially
    if you ride fast, a battery light is essential. Those torches
    recommended in this thread are not available here, so I bought a set
    of Electron EHP315 simply because I make it a practice never to go
    into even the least friendly bike shop without buying something. I've
    found them very good, though of course the promised endurance of the
    battery is a joke; but at around an hour they do have a margin over
    the normal time taken for my shortest ride, even on full blast. They
    cost me eighty euro but that's from Victoria Cycles, a shop known to
    charge like a famine is coming; I saw them at Chain Reaction the next
    day for 60 and in the States they are probably much, much cheaper. The
    two lights make enough light to see properly by on unlit roads, and
    will get you seen in town, and can be directed one nearby and one a
    bit up to show the width of the road and far enough along to ride at
    speed down hills even on less than perfect roads. With careful use,
    you can get nearer two hours of use but I like just blasting all the
    light I can get on the road.

    If you ride through motorized traffic, you also need a flashing rear
    light, and the cheapest that actually works is the Cateye TL-LD1100
    which, compared to a Dinotte, is a bargain.

    Andre Jute
    http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html

  18. Andre Jute said:
    Nate Nagel said:
    Jay said:

    "Nate Nagel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >Rode down to LBS today, explained my headlight dilemma (cross bike,
    >difficult to find space to mount headlight) and after explaining desired
    >use - allowing me to ride after dark, because I don't often have the
    >opportunity to ride during the day, save on weekends - they recommended
    >this:

    Quoted message said:
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    >http://www.abikestore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_...

    Quoted message said:
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    >Looks like a sweet little piece, but the price tag is almost half as much
    >as I paid for my bike!

    Quoted message said:
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    How much would it cost to drag your wrecked bike and injured body by
    ambulance to the nearest hospital? Because you were penny wise on yourbike
    headlight?!

    Quoted message said:
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    An ambulance ALONE is $1,000 USD. Plus the hospital bill. Plus the ER DR
    bill.

    Quoted message said:
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    If you go with a cheapie headlight, I hope you have great group insurance
    coverage. Otherwise, you are undoubtedly financially SCREWED.

    Quoted message said:
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    There is NO FREE LUNCH.

    Quoted message said:
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    J.

    Quoted message said:

    I realize this, but I'm sure that there's something a little heavier,
    larger, whatever that will do the same job for less money.  I'm not
    talking about compromising on light, but on aesthetics or weight
    (cutting out the malt sodas would probably do a better job of both than
    buying an expensive micro-headlight, and you don't see me doing that, do
    you?)

    Quoted message said:

    I might as well embrace my fredness and investigate the LED flashlight
    options.  I've seen several presented that look appealing.  Apparently
    this is a new concept only to me as I've already found three purpose
    made mounts since I started this thread.

    Quoted message said:

    Telling everyone that wants to ride at night that they need to spend
    $180 on a headlight is fine, I guess, if you want to encourage people
    not to ride...

    Quoted message said:

    nate

    I tend to agree with Jay, though I haven't actually gone as far as
    buying Dinotte lights.

    But then I'm not a commuter, more in your position of occasionally
    wanting a nighttime ride because the day has been awful for one reason
    or another. If find dynamo and hub generator lights, both of which I
    have on various bikes, to be not quite good enough for riding even
    gently along known but unlit (blacktop) lanes, and quite useless for
    riding onto the estates of friends. If you want to see, and especially
    if you ride fast, a battery light is essential. Those torches
    recommended in this thread are not available here, so I bought a set
    of Electron EHP315 simply because I make it a practice never to go
    into even the least friendly bike shop without buying something. I've
    found them very good, though of course the promised endurance of the
    battery is a joke; but at around an hour they do have a margin over
    the normal time taken for my shortest ride, even on full blast. They
    cost me eighty euro but that's from Victoria Cycles, a shop known to
    charge like a famine is coming; I saw them at Chain Reaction the next
    day for 60 and in the States they are probably much, much cheaper. The
    two lights make enough light to see properly by on unlit roads, and
    will get you seen in town, and can be directed one nearby and one a
    bit up to show the width of the road and far enough along to ride at
    speed down hills even on less than perfect roads. With careful use,
    you can get nearer two hours of use but I like just blasting all the
    light I can get on the road.

    If you ride through motorized traffic, you also need a flashing rear
    light, and the cheapest that actually works is the Cateye TL-LD1100
    which, compared to a Dinotte, is a bargain.

    Andre Jutehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html-Hide quoted text -

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    Andre is, of course, essentially correct:

    (1) Any cheap piece of Chinese s*** will work for a taillight;

    Headlights come in two distinct flavors: Be seen; or illuminate the
    pavement.

    For 'be seen' headlights, see (1) above;

    For 'illuminate pavement' headlights, see DiNotte headlights: Simply
    the best, brightest, and best customer service, by far.

    J.

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nate Nagel said:

    Telling everyone that wants to ride at night that they need to spend
    $180 on a headlight is fine, I guess, if you want to encourage people
    not to ride...

    Well, you know, there those who encourage riding, and those who
    encourage spending lots of money at the LBS, with riding being quite
    optional, so long as the money gets spent - and not at any of your
    hardware stores or evil on-line places.

    Put on a tail-light and some side markers as well, preferably. You can
    get the standard 3 red LED tail unit for $2.95 + shipping from
    www.sciplus.com (just a happy customer). They also have a bigger one
    (with 6 times the LEDs) for $8.50. At least you'll know how much your
    LBS is extorting (above the commodity price) for this sort of thing if
    you shop there.

    If you're handy with a soldering iron, you can cobble tail and marker
    lights up yourself, though you would have a difficult time breaking even
    for the above price on a tail light with a nice lens and mount.

    Don't bother with their 9 white LED "bike & head lamp", other than as a
    possible side marker light, with a little yellow on the lens. Beats no
    light at all (I got one for the headlamp function), but is shamed by the
    low-end single emitter light mentioned below (which I got later on).

    If you'll be riding a lot, a NiMH rapid charger and a pile of NiMH AA's
    will cost a lot less than disposables. If you don't use them much,
    disposables are cheaper. Best price I those I found last year was for a
    20-pack at Adorama camera (also just a happy customer, and a very price
    sensitive one for "commodity" items like this). Some other place may
    well have them cheaper this week. Avoid coin-cell lights for regular use
    - coin cells are expensive unless you buy thousands at a time.

    I've got one of the less exciting super-duper LED lights (Terrralux
    lower-end conversion for a 2AA minimag I already owned) and it's very
    effective for being seen (by oncoming cars - I use it when walking along
    the road at night - there's no sidewalk here), and pretty darn good for
    seeing, though I'd suggest getting one of the better/brighter units (as
    others have suggested) for that purpose on a bike. Goes a very long time
    on a set of AA rechargables (I have yet to run it all the way out before
    I decide to recharge for the sake of the batteries). Changed a dim
    battery-eater into a useful light.

    Be careful about aiming the bright LED lights - they are painfully
    bright to look at and can blind/dazzle the same as a car high-beam if
    aimed too high. That can help get you IN an accident.

    Riding at night can be a hairy proposition - but that's regardless of
    how much or how little you've spent on lights, and daytime does not
    remove the hairiness in many places. Every route out of town here
    involves long stretches of too many cars and not enough space for bikes
    (one even has a goodly stretch of concrete retaining wall on the inside
    of a corner - no place to go AND no visibility) - I'm surprised there
    are not more accidents. Once out of town the bike-lane program on the
    highway bills has had a noticeable positive effect on room for bikes -
    getting there is not half the fun, however. At present, I try to stick
    to riding during daylight.

    When I lived in a somewhat more developed area, I rode at night on the
    sidewalks, and got off and walked across the intersections. Faster than
    walking the whole way, and safer than sharing the road with obliviots
    who would run you over with or without lights. On the rare occasion I
    encountered a pedestrian, I'd pop out into the road (for the space
    between driveways needed to bypass the pedestrian) if there were no
    cars, or dismount and walk by if there were, so as not to be an obliviot
    on a bike hogging the sidewalk.

    --
    Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

  20. "Chalo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Funny that so many of us have ridden so long and so far with nothing
    more than the most rudimentary, cheap lighting-- or even just
    reflectors and no actual lights at all.

    I have figured out a whole bunch of ways to get hurt on my bike, but
    using inadequate illumination has not been one of them so far. Good
    (or good and expensive) lighting is something I'd put in the "nice to
    have" category.

    Anyway, a $30 Task Force light or a $20 Hong Kong LED light is a way
    more serious piece of bike lighting equipment than you used to be able
    to buy for less than $100.

    Chalo


    Here's an idea! Don't use a headlight at all. Keep that $20 in your pocket.

    Just say a prayer before you ride. And tape a plastic Jesus to your
    handlebars.

    J.

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